XSF Discussion - 2013-10-15

00:01:40 bear I posted a note to the blog about the elections and meeting details
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02:09:32 stpeter bear: thanks for the blog post!
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18:58:01 SM Hi Dave
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19:11:59 stpeter SM: send me a message (my IM client crashed)
19:12:20 SM Done
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19:31:57 SM Dave, what's your opinion about http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2013-October/007268.html ?
19:38:16 Dave Cridland There's a lot there. My take-home from that is Peter Waher sees marketing, and motivating the membership to take on more of the grunt work.
19:39:00 SM Well, it is a good way to get a community
19:39:20 Dave Cridland I'm aware that stpeter has expressed an interest in delegating some of the work he currently takes on himself.
19:39:59 SM Seriously, it would be good for the long term
19:41:03 SM The membership seems rather quiet
19:41:09 fippo mh... i wonder which of the two parts will be harder.
19:41:13 fippo SM: exactly :-/
19:41:33 SM fippo, you mean getting rid of the members or of Peter?
19:42:40 fippo stpeter is sacrosanct so that's not a question ;-)
19:42:48 Dave Cridland fippo, Marketing or motivation, I assumed you meant.
19:42:51 SM Wait, we agreed on veggie pizzas
19:42:57 SM so nothing is sacrosaint
19:43:29 fippo dave: right. sm: hm... point!
19:43:49 SM Ok, let's be serious. As I mentioned, there are good people
19:43:56 SM It is a matter of using their talents
19:44:12 SM And now having one person doing all the work
19:44:16 Dave Cridland fippo, I think both are very hard, but people at least joined the XSF with some expectation of helping out.
19:44:37 SM Dave, it seems to me taht peopel actually want to help out
19:45:03 SM It takes some talk and organization on how to make that expectation work out
19:45:30 Dave Cridland fippo, Plus I think there's a considerable kudos involved with being an "Assistant XEP Editor" or some such, so overall, I suspect getting our membership being more involved and active would be easier.
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19:46:05 Dave Cridland However, it would involve stopping a certain nameless person from being such a total workaholic, too.
19:46:30 SM Dave, I think the certain person can be encouraged:)
19:50:47 fippo that persons gets cridlands bacon?
19:51:09 SM No, his significant half would be overjoyed
19:52:03 SM Cridland could be moved into marketing:)
19:52:29 Dave Cridland I think there are candidates better suited to that than me.
19:53:05 SM Dave, it is not about better suited
19:53:49 SM It helps to spread the workload and someone must do it
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19:54:33 Dave Cridland No, I mean, the marketing. I can follow orders on that, but I can't properly structure a campaign.
19:54:59 SM Dave, it takes team work. It is not like a person can think about everything
19:55:56 Dave Cridland Sure, but one person needs to have the skill to pick the overall strategy for a particular area.
19:56:10 SM Dave, I would disagree about that
19:56:23 SM It is for a group to come up with a strategy
19:56:30 SM It is easier when everyone things about a part
19:56:35 SM Else mistakes happen
19:57:01 Kev There's a difference between "It makes sense to have someone with experience lead something" and "one person must do everything alone".
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19:57:13 SM Yes, Kev
19:57:42 fippo it's all about feedback in the end
19:58:09 SM Speaking of feedback, fippo, waiting for you to post to members@:)
19:58:34 Dave Cridland Right. I'm not suggesting one person should operate in a vacuum and decide everything without reference, but while I may be able to make comments about marketing, I'm not qualified to structure a marketing strategy from scratch.
19:58:57 SM Dave, do you know XSF?
19:59:12 fippo arr... i'll compose something on the flight to portland. but then, I have stickers, so do I really need to post? :-)
19:59:23 Dave Cridland I'd not get many votes if I said "No", would I?
19:59:31 SM fippo, seriously, it would help
19:59:37 SM Yes:)
19:59:43 SM Dave, you know the community
19:59:47 SM You know what would be bad
19:59:50 SM That's a start
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20:00:18 fippo dave: if a marketing person explains a plan to you and you don't understand it, you would ask, right?
20:00:54 Dave Cridland Right, I can run oversight. But I'm not foolish enough to think I can write the plan in the first place.
20:01:13 SM Dave, can you spot a person who can write one?
20:01:29 Dave Cridland I can make reasonable guesses.
20:01:50 SM It's good enough
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