XSF Discussion - 2013-11-06

hello folks - power was out at the house, did I miss anything?

ah, council is still meeting, then i'm actually early

T-10min

cool

I don't see dave, laura or simon yet

I invited dwd, but not seeing him yet

we can wait a bit, the council meeting just ended

(yes, i know that fact has nothing to do with the question of where are the others)

:-D

Hi all, laura.gill@surevine.com sends her apologies, she's stuck in a meeting she can't get out of right now.

Did this go out to members, BTW? (In which case I missed it and I suck)

Lloyd: good first impressions :-P

Kev: from my cursory look, we didn't announce the board meeting on the members list

kev - I *thought* I sent it out to members list, but it could be I also suck

I'm not sure she was aware, I hadn't seen any notice go out - although I'm not aware of how council alerts go out.

Lloyd: Or Board, which this is.

I sent emails to each board member and also to board@

Yeah that too :S

bear: yeah, board members should know about the meeting

we only have 2 out of 5 with apologies for 1 so far

How would we know when to flee out of the room if the meeting isn't announced to members?

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Edwin Mons: I assume because the Chairman will bang the gavel.

You need to elect one first ;)

i'll give them 5 more minutes

Edwin Mons: I think in the members meeting there was some discussion, and no-one disagreed that old chairs remained chair until new chairs were elected.

Edwin Mons: no, bear is still chair, even if he hadn't been elected

Which makes sense, as otherwise there's no-one to run the first meeting.

until the new board meets and accepts the results IIRC

Assuming, that is, that there /is/ a first quorate meeting.

that is the crux of our current situation

Kev: good point

I assume you need 50% for quorum?

FWIW, the XMPP calendar doesn't reflect the date for this meeting.

Edwin Mons: Whether it's 50% or majority is largely irrelevant with odd numbers, and I forget which it is.

I don't have the bylaws memorized, but it's 3 out of 5

which satisfies 50% 60% and simple majority

by laws say 'majority'

ralphm - i'm getting calendar alerts for today's meeting, so it's on one of the calendars

it's all bike shedding to be blunt as they are not present

bear: interesting

so I will send an email to members@, board@ and them directly to suggest a meeting friday, or anytime next week

I will be lurking here for another 15 or so minutes in case one of them shows up

bear: I was just looking at the ics files for -board and -all, no mention.

then i'm being haunted by the ghost of the last board I guess

we definitely need better calendar management and notifications

I could do friday, probably, but I'd rather not change the date and time

there's always next Wednesday

right

(although I'll be on a plane then)

in-flight wifi?

:-D

the first meeting is normally restricted to 1) accepting results and 2) electing chair

so it will be a fast one

bear: yeah, let's put out an e-mail with a proposed agenda. It might also be useful to have a chat on the Board's priorities for this term.

And can this happen on members@, please?

+1

Kev: sure

Thank you

woah

quorum

sorry everyone - wasn't aware that a date had been set.

:)

email sent

bear sent out an e-mail on 2013-10-30 13:39 -0400 on this

oh sure, I just press the "send" button and *now* we get a quorum :)

:)

don't leave!

I think the meeting was effectively abandoned long ago.

Kev: who are you to judge that :-P

ralphm: I'm the only person who can judge it.

haha

simon - I just sent out an email with details for the next meeting

is the calendar feed still being updated / who maintains it? Could we add a board meeting event in there?

Yeah, I'm waiting for that one to come through - is my mail being slow, or did it not go to members? :)

Simon: this was a thing we discussed earlier, yes

Kev: I just received it.

Marvellous.

great. What's the usual frequency of board meetings?

if we have things to do, bi-weekly, but not very often

I'd suggest you adopt Council+20, personally.

bi-weekly

you mean fortnightly ;)

Kev: I'd like that, indeed

Because I think having regular meetings creates some sort of impetus to do stuff.

tradition has it that they are just after the council meeting and that the time is limited to 30 minutes to help focus people

+1 for regular set time and repeats.

so unless one of the new board folk has a real problem with our current schedule, it probably won't change

I'd like to have it occur on the calendar every week.

Because it makes it easier for people to make it a habit of showing up.

once we decide next week, it will be

yes - same day and time every two weeks. Much easier!

simon, ralph - please do respond to the email with your +1 or whatever about the current timing

that will make the first meeting even faster

ralph - your question about discussing the board's priorities is kinda easy

the board can only respond,work,deal with items that the members want to do

Interesting. I've received Ralph's reply to Bear's mail, but not Bear's mail.

Kev: maybe be spam because it was signed by a bear

I don't /think/ I've set up any special MTA rules to blackhole bear :)

:)

bear: I think that's a bit of a cop-out answer, sorry. People don't have to /want/ to do stuff to get stuff done. What needs doing is the important question.

bear: While I agree on that on a strict basis, any board can develop a policy that it subjects to its membership

it's a small difference in what you both are saying and me - the difference being that this policy discussion should just be amongst members

Yeah, I think that's a cop-out.

ok

I think Board need to work out what needs to be done, and plans to do it.

bear: I agree, but again believe that a Board can spearhead any such discussion.

Yes, they should not act against members' wishes, but the point of the Board is to provide steering.

suggest things and then discuss it with the membership

^ this

then i'll be happy to be wrong :)

but even "wrong" isn't the proper word

i'll be happy to be busily dealing with an active board

Oh, I think it's the perfect word for anyone with a different opinion to mine :D

Proactive is my word of choice here.

And with that, I'm proactively going to have dinner.

:)

Heh.

BTW I am paying attention to the IETF technical plenary

ralphm: enjoy

http://ietf88streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf889.m3u in case you want to listen (not sure if the video is working at http://www.ietf.org/live/ )

video works for me

the topic is pervasive surveillance

BTW the manifesto went over well when I talked about it on Monday, although of course this is the IETF so some people had objections

video is not working for me but audio is

as long as we don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good

stpeter: I think knowing what the objections are would be interesting.

"flag days are bad" was one of them

"you'll fail" was another

I wonder who works in the Crazy-Code-Names department at the NSA?

Who is speaking?

Bruce Schneier

Wow. Nice.

hmm, text is very timely, audio is lagged by about a minute but wow, video is lagged by about 2 minutes

http://vancouver.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/event.jsp?w=plenary might provide an alternative if youtube doesn't work

video is fine here.

ok, I said my piece

stpeter: was good!

bbl