Edwin Mons: I assume because the Chairman will bang the gavel.
Edwin Mons
You need to elect one first ;)
bear
i'll give them 5 more minutes
Kev
Edwin Mons: I think in the members meeting there was some discussion, and no-one disagreed that old chairs remained chair until new chairs were elected.
ralphm
Edwin Mons: no, bear is still chair, even if he hadn't been elected
Kev
Which makes sense, as otherwise there's no-one to run the first meeting.
bear
until the new board meets and accepts the results IIRC
Kev
Assuming, that is, that there /is/ a first quorate meeting.
bear
that is the crux of our current situation
Edwin Mons
Kev: good point
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Edwin Mons
I assume you need 50% for quorum?
ralphm
FWIW, the XMPP calendar doesn't reflect the date for this meeting.
Kev
Edwin Mons: Whether it's 50% or majority is largely irrelevant with odd numbers, and I forget which it is.
bear
I don't have the bylaws memorized, but it's 3 out of 5
bear
which satisfies 50% 60% and simple majority
ralphm
by laws say 'majority'
bear
ralphm - i'm getting calendar alerts for today's meeting, so it's on one of the calendars
bear
it's all bike shedding to be blunt as they are not present
ralphm
bear: interesting
bear
so I will send an email to members@, board@ and them directly to suggest a meeting friday, or anytime next week
bear
I will be lurking here for another 15 or so minutes in case one of them shows up
ralphm
bear: I was just looking at the ics files for -board and -all, no mention.
bear
then i'm being haunted by the ghost of the last board I guess
stpeter
we definitely need better calendar management and notifications
ralphm
I could do friday, probably, but I'd rather not change the date and time
stpeter
there's always next Wednesday
ralphm
right
stpeter
(although I'll be on a plane then)
ralphm
in-flight wifi?
ralphm
:-D
bear
the first meeting is normally restricted to 1) accepting results and 2) electing chair
bear
so it will be a fast one
beargoes to write that email
ralphm
bear: yeah, let's put out an e-mail with a proposed agenda. It might also be useful to have a chat on the Board's priorities for this term.
Kev
And can this happen on members@, please?
Edwin Mons
+1
ralphm
Kev: sure
Kev
Thank you
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ralphm
woah
ralphm
quorum
Simon
sorry everyone - wasn't aware that a date had been set.
Simon
:)
bear
email sent
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ralphm
bear sent out an e-mail on 2013-10-30 13:39 -0400 on this
bear
oh sure, I just press the "send" button and *now* we get a quorum :)
Lloyd
:)
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ralphm
don't leave!
Kev
I think the meeting was effectively abandoned long ago.
ralphm
Kev: who are you to judge that :-P
Kev
ralphm: I'm the only person who can judge it.
ralphm
haha
bear
simon - I just sent out an email with details for the next meeting
Simon
is the calendar feed still being updated / who maintains it? Could we add a board meeting event in there?
Kev
Yeah, I'm waiting for that one to come through - is my mail being slow, or did it not go to members? :)
ralphm
Simon: this was a thing we discussed earlier, yes
Edwin Mons
Kev: I just received it.
Kev
Marvellous.
Simon
great. What's the usual frequency of board meetings?
bear
if we have things to do, bi-weekly, but not very often
Kev
I'd suggest you adopt Council+20, personally.
ralphm
bi-weekly
Simon
you mean fortnightly ;)
ralphm
Kev: I'd like that, indeed
Kev
Because I think having regular meetings creates some sort of impetus to do stuff.
bear
tradition has it that they are just after the council meeting and that the time is limited to 30 minutes to help focus people
Simon
+1 for regular set time and repeats.
bear
so unless one of the new board folk has a real problem with our current schedule, it probably won't change
ralphm
I'd like to have it occur on the calendar every week.
ralphm
Because it makes it easier for people to make it a habit of showing up.
bear
once we decide next week, it will be
Simon
yes - same day and time every two weeks. Much easier!
bear
simon, ralph - please do respond to the email with your +1 or whatever about the current timing
bear
that will make the first meeting even faster
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bear
ralph - your question about discussing the board's priorities is kinda easy
bear
the board can only respond,work,deal with items that the members want to do
Kev
Interesting. I've received Ralph's reply to Bear's mail, but not Bear's mail.
ralphm
Kev: maybe be spam because it was signed by a bear
Kev
I don't /think/ I've set up any special MTA rules to blackhole bear :)
bear
:)
Kev
bear: I think that's a bit of a cop-out answer, sorry. People don't have to /want/ to do stuff to get stuff done. What needs doing is the important question.
ralphm
bear: While I agree on that on a strict basis, any board can develop a policy that it subjects to its membership
bear
it's a small difference in what you both are saying and me - the difference being that this policy discussion should just be amongst members
Kev
Yeah, I think that's a cop-out.
bear
ok
Kev
I think Board need to work out what needs to be done, and plans to do it.
ralphm
bear: I agree, but again believe that a Board can spearhead any such discussion.
Kev
Yes, they should not act against members' wishes, but the point of the Board is to provide steering.
ralphm
suggest things and then discuss it with the membership
Kev
^ this
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bear
then i'll be happy to be wrong :)
bear
but even "wrong" isn't the proper word
bear
i'll be happy to be busily dealing with an active board
Kev
Oh, I think it's the perfect word for anyone with a different opinion to mine :D
ralphm
Proactive is my word of choice here.
ralphm
And with that, I'm proactively going to have dinner.
bear
:)
Kev
Heh.
stpeter
BTW I am paying attention to the IETF technical plenary
Edwin Mons
ralphm: enjoy
stpeter
http://ietf88streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf889.m3u in case you want to listen (not sure if the video is working at http://www.ietf.org/live/ )
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ralphm
video works for me
stpeter
the topic is pervasive surveillance
stpeter
BTW the manifesto went over well when I talked about it on Monday, although of course this is the IETF so some people had objections
bear
video is not working for me but audio is
Simon
as long as we don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good
Kev
stpeter: I think knowing what the objections are would be interesting.
stpeter
"flag days are bad" was one of them
stpeter
"you'll fail" was another
Simon
I wonder who works in the Crazy-Code-Names department at the NSA?
bearis happy now, video is working
Simon
Who is speaking?
stpeter
Bruce Schneier
Simon
Wow. Nice.
bear
hmm, text is very timely, audio is lagged by about a minute but wow, video is lagged by about 2 minutes
fippo
http://vancouver.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/event.jsp?w=plenary might provide an alternative if youtube doesn't work