bearhello folks - power was out at the house, did I miss anything?
bearah, council is still meeting, then i'm actually early
ralphmT-10min
bearcool
bearI don't see dave, laura or simon yet
ralphmI invited dwd, but not seeing him yet
bearwe can wait a bit, the council meeting just ended
bear(yes, i know that fact has nothing to do with the question of where are the others)
ralphm:-D
LloydHi all, laura.gill@surevine.com sends her apologies, she's stuck in a meeting she can't get out of right now.
KevDid this go out to members, BTW? (In which case I missed it and I suck)
ralphmLloyd: good first impressions :-P
ralphmKev: from my cursory look, we didn't announce the board meeting on the members list
bearkev - I *thought* I sent it out to members list, but it could be I also suck
LloydI'm not sure she was aware, I hadn't seen any notice go out - although I'm not aware of how council alerts go out.
KevLloyd: Or Board, which this is.
bearI sent emails to each board member and also to board@
LloydYeah that too :S
ralphmbear: yeah, board members should know about the meeting
bearwe only have 2 out of 5 with apologies for 1 so far
Edwin MonsHow would we know when to flee out of the room if the meeting isn't announced to members?
ralphmset the topic toXSF discussion room | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/
ralphmEdwin Mons: I assume because the Chairman will bang the gavel.
Edwin MonsYou need to elect one first ;)
beari'll give them 5 more minutes
KevEdwin Mons: I think in the members meeting there was some discussion, and no-one disagreed that old chairs remained chair until new chairs were elected.
ralphmEdwin Mons: no, bear is still chair, even if he hadn't been elected
KevWhich makes sense, as otherwise there's no-one to run the first meeting.
bearuntil the new board meets and accepts the results IIRC
KevAssuming, that is, that there /is/ a first quorate meeting.
bearthat is the crux of our current situation
Edwin MonsKev: good point
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Edwin MonsI assume you need 50% for quorum?
ralphmFWIW, the XMPP calendar doesn't reflect the date for this meeting.
KevEdwin Mons: Whether it's 50% or majority is largely irrelevant with odd numbers, and I forget which it is.
bearI don't have the bylaws memorized, but it's 3 out of 5
bearwhich satisfies 50% 60% and simple majority
ralphmby laws say 'majority'
bearralphm - i'm getting calendar alerts for today's meeting, so it's on one of the calendars
bearit's all bike shedding to be blunt as they are not present
ralphmbear: interesting
bearso I will send an email to members@, board@ and them directly to suggest a meeting friday, or anytime next week
bearI will be lurking here for another 15 or so minutes in case one of them shows up
ralphmbear: I was just looking at the ics files for -board and -all, no mention.
bearthen i'm being haunted by the ghost of the last board I guess
stpeterwe definitely need better calendar management and notifications
ralphmI could do friday, probably, but I'd rather not change the date and time
stpeterthere's always next Wednesday
ralphmright
stpeter(although I'll be on a plane then)
ralphmin-flight wifi?
ralphm:-D
bearthe first meeting is normally restricted to 1) accepting results and 2) electing chair
bearso it will be a fast one
beargoes to write that email
ralphmbear: yeah, let's put out an e-mail with a proposed agenda. It might also be useful to have a chat on the Board's priorities for this term.
KevAnd can this happen on members@, please?
Edwin Mons+1
ralphmKev: sure
KevThank you
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ralphmwoah
ralphmquorum
Simonsorry everyone - wasn't aware that a date had been set.
Simon:)
bearemail sent
Laura has joined
ralphmbear sent out an e-mail on 2013-10-30 13:39 -0400 on this
bearoh sure, I just press the "send" button and *now* we get a quorum :)
Lloyd:)
Laura has left
ralphmdon't leave!
KevI think the meeting was effectively abandoned long ago.
ralphmKev: who are you to judge that :-P
Kevralphm: I'm the only person who can judge it.
ralphmhaha
bearsimon - I just sent out an email with details for the next meeting
Simonis the calendar feed still being updated / who maintains it? Could we add a board meeting event in there?
KevYeah, I'm waiting for that one to come through - is my mail being slow, or did it not go to members? :)
ralphmSimon: this was a thing we discussed earlier, yes
Edwin MonsKev: I just received it.
KevMarvellous.
Simongreat. What's the usual frequency of board meetings?
bearif we have things to do, bi-weekly, but not very often
KevI'd suggest you adopt Council+20, personally.
ralphmbi-weekly
Simonyou mean fortnightly ;)
ralphmKev: I'd like that, indeed
KevBecause I think having regular meetings creates some sort of impetus to do stuff.
beartradition has it that they are just after the council meeting and that the time is limited to 30 minutes to help focus people
Simon+1 for regular set time and repeats.
bearso unless one of the new board folk has a real problem with our current schedule, it probably won't change
ralphmI'd like to have it occur on the calendar every week.
ralphmBecause it makes it easier for people to make it a habit of showing up.
bearonce we decide next week, it will be
Simonyes - same day and time every two weeks. Much easier!
bearsimon, ralph - please do respond to the email with your +1 or whatever about the current timing
bearthat will make the first meeting even faster
bearswitches to lurk mode
bearralph - your question about discussing the board's priorities is kinda easy
bearthe board can only respond,work,deal with items that the members want to do
KevInteresting. I've received Ralph's reply to Bear's mail, but not Bear's mail.
ralphmKev: maybe be spam because it was signed by a bear
KevI don't /think/ I've set up any special MTA rules to blackhole bear :)
bear:)
Kevbear: I think that's a bit of a cop-out answer, sorry. People don't have to /want/ to do stuff to get stuff done. What needs doing is the important question.
ralphmbear: While I agree on that on a strict basis, any board can develop a policy that it subjects to its membership
bearit's a small difference in what you both are saying and me - the difference being that this policy discussion should just be amongst members
KevYeah, I think that's a cop-out.
bearok
KevI think Board need to work out what needs to be done, and plans to do it.
ralphmbear: I agree, but again believe that a Board can spearhead any such discussion.
KevYes, they should not act against members' wishes, but the point of the Board is to provide steering.
ralphmsuggest things and then discuss it with the membership
Kev^ this
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bearthen i'll be happy to be wrong :)
bearbut even "wrong" isn't the proper word
beari'll be happy to be busily dealing with an active board
KevOh, I think it's the perfect word for anyone with a different opinion to mine :D
ralphmProactive is my word of choice here.
ralphmAnd with that, I'm proactively going to have dinner.
bear:)
KevHeh.
stpeterBTW I am paying attention to the IETF technical plenary
Edwin Monsralphm: enjoy
stpeterhttp://ietf88streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf/ietf889.m3u in case you want to listen (not sure if the video is working at http://www.ietf.org/live/ )
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ralphmvideo works for me
stpeterthe topic is pervasive surveillance
stpeterBTW the manifesto went over well when I talked about it on Monday, although of course this is the IETF so some people had objections
bearvideo is not working for me but audio is
Simonas long as we don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good
Kevstpeter: I think knowing what the objections are would be interesting.
stpeter"flag days are bad" was one of them
stpeter"you'll fail" was another
SimonI wonder who works in the Crazy-Code-Names department at the NSA?
bearis happy now, video is working
SimonWho is speaking?
stpeterBruce Schneier
SimonWow. Nice.
bearhmm, text is very timely, audio is lagged by about a minute but wow, video is lagged by about 2 minutes
fippohttp://vancouver.conf.meetecho.com/WebLite/event.jsp?w=plenary might provide an alternative if youtube doesn't work
XSF Discussion - 2013-11-06