SouL, LoL doesn't quite use XMPP. It's been heavily modified because they had some severe integration problems as I understand things.
Kev
For a long time you could connect with standard clients, though. No idea if that's still true.
dwd
AIUI, you probably still can, but various things (like rosters) will behave very oddly.
SouL
Well, I don't know... I don't play videogames at the moment but I had a friend that could join into a conference of the game with a client
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dwd
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Presence#Overview Anyone else seen this?
fippo
just a couple of minutes ago
fippo
there was the suggestion that I should point them to SIMPLE :-)
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ralphm
I notice that Facebook is a stated use case. Funny it has an XMPP client interface to work with :-D
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fippo
heh, I responded that this would be cruel
dwd
We should probably find a volunteer to go discuss their requirements and whether XMPP could fulfill them.
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dwd
Someone unlikely to suffer from a flippancy-overspill event. :-)
dwd
Ah, I've been told that Simon Tennant is already talking to them.
SouL
Great.
fippo
https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/wg-presence
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ralphm
Although it might make sense for BuddyCloud, quipping "we tried to ignore as much of XMPP as possible" will surely be convincing.
Kev
Presumably it's relevant whether Simon's talking with his BC hat on or XSF hat on.
Kev
And if the former, we should find someone to talk to them with an XSF hat.
ralphm
People don't generally distinguish hats at all
ralphm
I am pretty sure that are a lot of people within the XSF that don't agree with that sentence or the design decisions behind it.
fippo
i didn't talk there yet -- because it's way to tempting to say xmpp still has a presence scalability problem :-)
fippo
i do actually agree with 'most applications assume presence is "one friend list to rule them all" - different apps have different social circles'
fippo
but you can do that by extending the presence model of 6121
ralphm
fippo: indeed
fippo
i.e. the roster simply becomes a binary "known" decision used for filtering messages
dwd
fippo, XMPP's basic <presence/> is universal, but PEP can be sliced and diced to different Circles^Wroster groups.
dwd
Certainly in One Implementation That I Was Once Involved In, you could just set the access-model on a PEP node to be "roster", set the groups, and only those groups would see your atrocious taste in music, for example.
fippo
yeah, we have the groups already. we don't use them extensively, but we might
fippo
heh peter :-)
ralphm
XMPP and PEP specifically are discussed at length in the 2013-10-31 meeting notes