XSF Discussion - 2013-11-19

SouL, LoL doesn't quite use XMPP. It's been heavily modified because they had some severe integration problems as I understand things.

For a long time you could connect with standard clients, though. No idea if that's still true.

AIUI, you probably still can, but various things (like rosters) will behave very oddly.

Well, I don't know... I don't play videogames at the moment but I had a friend that could join into a conference of the game with a client

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Presence#Overview Anyone else seen this?

just a couple of minutes ago

there was the suggestion that I should point them to SIMPLE :-)

I notice that Facebook is a stated use case. Funny it has an XMPP client interface to work with :-D

heh, I responded that this would be cruel

We should probably find a volunteer to go discuss their requirements and whether XMPP could fulfill them.

Someone unlikely to suffer from a flippancy-overspill event. :-)

Ah, I've been told that Simon Tennant is already talking to them.

Great.

https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/wg-presence

Although it might make sense for BuddyCloud, quipping "we tried to ignore as much of XMPP as possible" will surely be convincing.

Presumably it's relevant whether Simon's talking with his BC hat on or XSF hat on.

And if the former, we should find someone to talk to them with an XSF hat.

People don't generally distinguish hats at all

I am pretty sure that are a lot of people within the XSF that don't agree with that sentence or the design decisions behind it.

i didn't talk there yet -- because it's way to tempting to say xmpp still has a presence scalability problem :-)

i do actually agree with 'most applications assume presence is "one friend list to rule them all" - different apps have different social circles'

but you can do that by extending the presence model of 6121

fippo: indeed

i.e. the roster simply becomes a binary "known" decision used for filtering messages

fippo, XMPP's basic <presence/> is universal, but PEP can be sliced and diced to different Circles^Wroster groups.

Certainly in One Implementation That I Was Once Involved In, you could just set the access-model on a PEP node to be "roster", set the groups, and only those groups would see your atrocious taste in music, for example.

yeah, we have the groups already. we don't use them extensively, but we might

heh peter :-)

XMPP and PEP specifically are discussed at length in the 2013-10-31 meeting notes

Which meeting?

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Roadmaps/Presence/Meetings/notes_20131031

i do wonder why they discuss that without asking jack moffitt...

Assuming everyone at Moz knows Jack may be a push :)

he's written a book so i assume he's famous. just like you :-p

How many people work on Moz?

Did you want an exact number, or does the closest win?

Mozilla Corporation has 600+ employees, according to wikipedia

And more than 600 people know Jack, so therefore, everyone at Mozilla knows Jack.

I'm glad we settled that.

Is bear the best person to contact to get a news story added to xmpp.org?

There's actually a few people who can do it. What's the story?

I think actually I can. If my account is still live.

Cool, will get an email to you. About the next XMPP/realtime UK with Joachim speaking.

Ah, the one I wanted to attend, but is conveniently scheduled a week before I'll be in London ;)

dwd: sent to dave@cri…. . Thanks.

Ah, can't do the events bit though.

Well, I can add it to the XML files, I suppose, but can't run calgen.py

fippo, re. XMPP's presence scalability issue - I'm all for solving it (if and) when it becomes a problem :)

(catching up on the log)

mattj: :-p

dwd: thanks, will email bear and let him know you've done the news bit

Lloyd, Ah. I don't seem to ahve an account. Or at least, not on this email address.

Lloyd, Sorry, should have checked that first...

dwd, ok then I'll just ask bear to do it all :) No problem, thanks for trying

Lloyd, We should probably sort out Laura with an account there, anyway.

dwd: yeah, I'll leave it for your board meeting ;)

Conveniently scheduled on my week off :)

Convenient for whom? :)

Everyone who woludn't want me to be there :)

Come now. Who wouldn't want you to be there?