XSF Discussion - 2013-11-19

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  90. dwd SouL, LoL doesn't quite use XMPP. It's been heavily modified because they had some severe integration problems as I understand things.
  91. Kev For a long time you could connect with standard clients, though. No idea if that's still true.
  92. dwd AIUI, you probably still can, but various things (like rosters) will behave very oddly.
  93. SouL Well, I don't know... I don't play videogames at the moment but I had a friend that could join into a conference of the game with a client
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  111. dwd https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Presence#Overview Anyone else seen this?
  112. fippo just a couple of minutes ago
  113. fippo there was the suggestion that I should point them to SIMPLE :-)
  114. ralphm wacks fippo
  115. ralphm I notice that Facebook is a stated use case. Funny it has an XMPP client interface to work with :-D
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  117. fippo heh, I responded that this would be cruel
  118. dwd We should probably find a volunteer to go discuss their requirements and whether XMPP could fulfill them.
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  120. dwd Someone unlikely to suffer from a flippancy-overspill event. :-)
  121. dwd Ah, I've been told that Simon Tennant is already talking to them.
  122. SouL Great.
  123. fippo https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/wg-presence
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  127. ralphm Although it might make sense for BuddyCloud, quipping "we tried to ignore as much of XMPP as possible" will surely be convincing.
  128. Kev Presumably it's relevant whether Simon's talking with his BC hat on or XSF hat on.
  129. Kev And if the former, we should find someone to talk to them with an XSF hat.
  130. ralphm People don't generally distinguish hats at all
  131. ralphm I am pretty sure that are a lot of people within the XSF that don't agree with that sentence or the design decisions behind it.
  132. fippo i didn't talk there yet -- because it's way to tempting to say xmpp still has a presence scalability problem :-)
  133. fippo i do actually agree with 'most applications assume presence is "one friend list to rule them all" - different apps have different social circles'
  134. fippo but you can do that by extending the presence model of 6121
  135. ralphm fippo: indeed
  136. fippo i.e. the roster simply becomes a binary "known" decision used for filtering messages
  137. dwd fippo, XMPP's basic <presence/> is universal, but PEP can be sliced and diced to different Circles^Wroster groups.
  138. dwd Certainly in One Implementation That I Was Once Involved In, you could just set the access-model on a PEP node to be "roster", set the groups, and only those groups would see your atrocious taste in music, for example.
  139. fippo yeah, we have the groups already. we don't use them extensively, but we might
  140. fippo heh peter :-)
  141. ralphm XMPP and PEP specifically are discussed at length in the 2013-10-31 meeting notes
  142. dwd Which meeting?
  143. ralphm https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Roadmaps/Presence/Meetings/notes_20131031
  144. fippo i do wonder why they discuss that without asking jack moffitt...
  145. Kev Assuming everyone at Moz knows Jack may be a push :)
  146. fippo he's written a book so i assume he's famous. just like you :-p
  147. Kev How many people work on Moz?
  148. dwd Did you want an exact number, or does the closest win?
  149. ralphm Mozilla Corporation has 600+ employees, according to wikipedia
  150. dwd And more than 600 people know Jack, so therefore, everyone at Mozilla knows Jack.
  151. dwd is good at this logic stuff.
  152. Kev I'm glad we settled that.
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  156. Lloyd Is bear the best person to contact to get a news story added to xmpp.org?
  157. dwd There's actually a few people who can do it. What's the story?
  158. dwd I think actually I can. If my account is still live.
  159. Lloyd Cool, will get an email to you. About the next XMPP/realtime UK with Joachim speaking.
  160. Edwin Mons Ah, the one I wanted to attend, but is conveniently scheduled a week before I'll be in London ;)
  161. Lloyd dwd: sent to dave@cri…. . Thanks.
  162. dwd Ah, can't do the events bit though.
  163. dwd Well, I can add it to the XML files, I suppose, but can't run calgen.py
  164. MattJ fippo, re. XMPP's presence scalability issue - I'm all for solving it (if and) when it becomes a problem :)
  165. MattJ (catching up on the log)
  166. fippo mattj: :-p
  167. Lloyd dwd: thanks, will email bear and let him know you've done the news bit
  168. dwd Lloyd, Ah. I don't seem to ahve an account. Or at least, not on this email address.
  169. dwd Lloyd, Sorry, should have checked that first...
  170. Lloyd dwd, ok then I'll just ask bear to do it all :) No problem, thanks for trying
  171. dwd Lloyd, We should probably sort out Laura with an account there, anyway.
  172. Lloyd dwd: yeah, I'll leave it for your board meeting ;)
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  177. Kev Conveniently scheduled on my week off :)
  178. MattJ Convenient for whom? :)
  179. Kev Everyone who woludn't want me to be there :)
  180. dwd Come now. Who wouldn't want you to be there?
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