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dwd
SouL, LoL doesn't quite use XMPP. It's been heavily modified because they had some severe integration problems as I understand things.
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Kev
For a long time you could connect with standard clients, though. No idea if that's still true.
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dwd
AIUI, you probably still can, but various things (like rosters) will behave very oddly.
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SouL
Well, I don't know... I don't play videogames at the moment but I had a friend that could join into a conference of the game with a client
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dwd
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Presence#Overview Anyone else seen this?
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fippo
just a couple of minutes ago
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fippo
there was the suggestion that I should point them to SIMPLE :-)
- ralphm wacks fippo
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ralphm
I notice that Facebook is a stated use case. Funny it has an XMPP client interface to work with :-D
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fippo
heh, I responded that this would be cruel
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dwd
We should probably find a volunteer to go discuss their requirements and whether XMPP could fulfill them.
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dwd
Someone unlikely to suffer from a flippancy-overspill event. :-)
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dwd
Ah, I've been told that Simon Tennant is already talking to them.
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SouL
Great.
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fippo
https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/wg-presence
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ralphm
Although it might make sense for BuddyCloud, quipping "we tried to ignore as much of XMPP as possible" will surely be convincing.
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Kev
Presumably it's relevant whether Simon's talking with his BC hat on or XSF hat on.
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Kev
And if the former, we should find someone to talk to them with an XSF hat.
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ralphm
People don't generally distinguish hats at all
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ralphm
I am pretty sure that are a lot of people within the XSF that don't agree with that sentence or the design decisions behind it.
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fippo
i didn't talk there yet -- because it's way to tempting to say xmpp still has a presence scalability problem :-)
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fippo
i do actually agree with 'most applications assume presence is "one friend list to rule them all" - different apps have different social circles'
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fippo
but you can do that by extending the presence model of 6121
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ralphm
fippo: indeed
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fippo
i.e. the roster simply becomes a binary "known" decision used for filtering messages
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dwd
fippo, XMPP's basic <presence/> is universal, but PEP can be sliced and diced to different Circles^Wroster groups.
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dwd
Certainly in One Implementation That I Was Once Involved In, you could just set the access-model on a PEP node to be "roster", set the groups, and only those groups would see your atrocious taste in music, for example.
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fippo
yeah, we have the groups already. we don't use them extensively, but we might
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fippo
heh peter :-)
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ralphm
XMPP and PEP specifically are discussed at length in the 2013-10-31 meeting notes
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dwd
Which meeting?
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ralphm
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Services/Roadmaps/Presence/Meetings/notes_20131031
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fippo
i do wonder why they discuss that without asking jack moffitt...
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Kev
Assuming everyone at Moz knows Jack may be a push :)
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fippo
he's written a book so i assume he's famous. just like you :-p
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Kev
How many people work on Moz?
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dwd
Did you want an exact number, or does the closest win?
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ralphm
Mozilla Corporation has 600+ employees, according to wikipedia
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dwd
And more than 600 people know Jack, so therefore, everyone at Mozilla knows Jack.
- dwd is good at this logic stuff.
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Kev
I'm glad we settled that.
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Lloyd
Is bear the best person to contact to get a news story added to xmpp.org?
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dwd
There's actually a few people who can do it. What's the story?
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dwd
I think actually I can. If my account is still live.
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Lloyd
Cool, will get an email to you. About the next XMPP/realtime UK with Joachim speaking.
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Edwin Mons
Ah, the one I wanted to attend, but is conveniently scheduled a week before I'll be in London ;)
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Lloyd
dwd: sent to dave@cri…. . Thanks.
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dwd
Ah, can't do the events bit though.
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dwd
Well, I can add it to the XML files, I suppose, but can't run calgen.py
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MattJ
fippo, re. XMPP's presence scalability issue - I'm all for solving it (if and) when it becomes a problem :)
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MattJ
(catching up on the log)
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fippo
mattj: :-p
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Lloyd
dwd: thanks, will email bear and let him know you've done the news bit
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dwd
Lloyd, Ah. I don't seem to ahve an account. Or at least, not on this email address.
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dwd
Lloyd, Sorry, should have checked that first...
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Lloyd
dwd, ok then I'll just ask bear to do it all :) No problem, thanks for trying
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dwd
Lloyd, We should probably sort out Laura with an account there, anyway.
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Lloyd
dwd: yeah, I'll leave it for your board meeting ;)
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Kev
Conveniently scheduled on my week off :)
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MattJ
Convenient for whom? :)
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Kev
Everyone who woludn't want me to be there :)
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dwd
Come now. Who wouldn't want you to be there?