XSF Discussion - 2013-11-26

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12:02:31 Kev Does anyone have a link to the minutes for last week's meeting? I can't find them.
12:03:14 Kev Or were they only sent to the board@ list?
12:04:12 fippo cant find them either...
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13:01:37 dwd https://fund.arkos.io/ -- Instant server, just add Raspberry Pi. Note that it includes a turnkey XMPP server.
13:03:34 SouL yep
13:05:53 dwd Is anyone involved with them already?
13:06:14 dwd And does anyone know which XMPP server they (are intending to) use?
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13:12:14 Zash Freedombox?
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13:17:19 SouL I follow someguy at Diaspora* that knows something about arkos, I'll ask that.
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14:05:04 ralphm From an initial search, my guess is that it would be Prosody.
14:06:33 Zash \o/
14:09:26 ralphm I think that contributing to this ticket will make that more likely: https://github.com/cznweb/genesis/issues/32
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16:23:35 Kev Is it Monday or Tuesday in London?
16:23:47 Kev Monday, nvm.
16:24:05 MattJ It's the same day as the rest of the UK, Tuesday
16:24:20 MattJ But while typing, I realised what you meant
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16:34:59 Kev Looks like I might be able to make it after all.
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16:46:09 Lloyd We've moved the event BTW. Now going to be at Shoreditch works, we're tacking on to the end of an IoT conference so will be a good opportunity for XMPP to get more exposure in that space.
16:47:06 Kev Ah.
16:47:14 Kev Got an address?
16:47:36 Lloyd http://shoreditchworks.com <http://shoreditchworks.com/>
16:48:14 Lloyd Its the "Village hall"
16:48:45 Kev Ta.
16:48:45 Lloyd We're on the end of http://redmonk.com/thingmonk/ which is a practical IoT hacking conf.
16:49:09 Kev Time?
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16:51:38 Lloyd Any time after the end of the conf as there'll be people around 6pm+
16:57:36 Kev Assuming I'm not going to be able to turn up until 7ish at best, is there any point doing so, or will you all have gone home by then? :)
17:01:32 Kev Over an hour and a half from the office - yikes.
17:08:08 Kev I guess that means I'm not likely to be able to make it much before 19:30.
17:08:50 Lloyd That's fine, we won't really get started until 7pm, and the first bit is probably me or Steffen doing an XMPP intro
17:09:07 Lloyd I think you could potentially get away with skipping the intro bit
17:14:44 intosi Make sure you pronounce it right.
17:14:50 intosi Remember: zimpy
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17:25:17 Kev I'm quite happy with pronouncing it zimpy :)
17:27:41 intosi I thought you would be.
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21:11:10 fippo https://twitter.com/HCornflower/status/405440973565468672 -- guess what, xmpp pushing webrtc forward once again :-)
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21:20:40 Lance \o/
21:21:41 Lloyd Go fippo!
21:22:04 MattJ Go XMPP!
21:22:59 fippo go Jingle!
21:23:28 fippo i don't think that will be ready for todays council or board meeting though ;-)
21:24:25 fippo er... tomorrow
21:24:28 MattJ When will it be ready? And does it work with Prosody? :)
21:24:47 fippo well, https://lambada.jitsi.net is currently powered by prosody
21:24:58 fippo it's using MUC... but that's an implementation detail
21:25:17 fippo i really need to work with emil on making CoLiBri ready for submission
21:25:29 fippo it trumps muji
21:25:37 MattJ and COIN?
21:25:40 fippo and probably the hangouts stuff google never published as well
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21:25:52 fippo well... i still dread COIN
21:25:56 MattJ :)
21:25:56 fippo but it's not used
21:26:28 fippo three of the four clients in that videochat are mostly standard strophe.jingle ones
21:26:44 fippo there is a proprietary extension, a custom jingle action
21:26:59 fippo where i am not sure how to best solve that in a jingleish way
21:36:12 SouL Awesom!
21:36:13 SouL e*
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21:40:28 dwd So I'm assuming you're set to demo this and have a proper spec by FOSDEM, right?
21:40:52 dwd No pressure, or anything.
21:41:56 fippo sure. colibri is a dumb one job protocol
21:41:59 fippo easy to document
21:42:12 fippo "hey bridge, get me a channel"
21:42:16 dwd And the rest?
21:42:21 fippo stock jingle
21:42:29 fippo and working around chrome bugs
21:42:51 fippo I had it working with lance's unmodified stanzaio client until recently
21:42:52 dwd What's the "proprietary extension"?
21:43:54 fippo an addsource jingle extension
21:44:23 fippo which has ssma children (which will be standard as soon as the xmpp editor returns from the well-deserved vacation and the council votes)
21:44:33 fippo but that's it
21:44:47 dwd Oh, wait. So out of four clients, A B C and D, A says to the bridge "hey, dude, channel!" and then basically spoofs the bridge's transport params to B, C, and D?
21:47:01 fippo A is called "focus"
21:47:04 fippo but yeah, that's it
21:47:28 dwd OK, nice. So B/C/D don't need any special sauce? They can just be naïve Jingle clients?
21:47:32 fippo A also relays some more information from B to C and D, C to B and D and D to B and C
21:47:41 fippo mostly.
21:47:53 fippo they need a little bit of extra information in chrome right now
21:48:08 fippo and the ability to demux multiple video streams on the same rtp session
21:50:06 dwd Oh, you're muxing. Gotcha.
21:50:20 fippo because chrome muxes now
21:50:33 fippo at some point chrome is going to do different m-lines for that
21:50:41 fippo at least that is what's called unified plan
21:50:47 fippo I prefer the current plan (B)
21:51:03 fippo but there is no roadmap for unified even
22:03:44 fippo i'd note that with unified, we'd solve the proprietary stuff in a standard compliant way
22:03:54 fippo because that makes it a content-add
22:04:15 fippo but for now i'll go proprietary :-)
22:04:21 fippo fast, evil corporate way
22:06:07 Zash fippo: You have a muxer?
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22:08:46 fippo zash: https://jitsi.org/Projects/JitsiVideobridge
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23:19:50 Zash fippo: That wasn't a muxer last time I checked, just a focus point that relayed everything to everyone