XSF Discussion - 2013-11-26

Does anyone have a link to the minutes for last week's meeting? I can't find them.

Or were they only sent to the board@ list?

cant find them either...

https://fund.arkos.io/ -- Instant server, just add Raspberry Pi. Note that it includes a turnkey XMPP server.

yep

Is anyone involved with them already?

And does anyone know which XMPP server they (are intending to) use?

Freedombox?

I follow someguy at Diaspora* that knows something about arkos, I'll ask that.

From an initial search, my guess is that it would be Prosody.

\o/

I think that contributing to this ticket will make that more likely: https://github.com/cznweb/genesis/issues/32

Is it Monday or Tuesday in London?

Monday, nvm.

It's the same day as the rest of the UK, Tuesday

But while typing, I realised what you meant

Looks like I might be able to make it after all.

We've moved the event BTW. Now going to be at Shoreditch works, we're tacking on to the end of an IoT conference so will be a good opportunity for XMPP to get more exposure in that space.

Ah.

Got an address?

http://shoreditchworks.com <http://shoreditchworks.com/>

Its the "Village hall"

Ta.

We're on the end of http://redmonk.com/thingmonk/ which is a practical IoT hacking conf.

Time?

Any time after the end of the conf as there'll be people around 6pm+

Assuming I'm not going to be able to turn up until 7ish at best, is there any point doing so, or will you all have gone home by then? :)

Over an hour and a half from the office - yikes.

I guess that means I'm not likely to be able to make it much before 19:30.

That's fine, we won't really get started until 7pm, and the first bit is probably me or Steffen doing an XMPP intro

I think you could potentially get away with skipping the intro bit

Make sure you pronounce it right.

Remember: zimpy

I'm quite happy with pronouncing it zimpy :)

I thought you would be.

https://twitter.com/HCornflower/status/405440973565468672 -- guess what, xmpp pushing webrtc forward once again :-)

\o/

Go fippo!

Go XMPP!

go Jingle!

i don't think that will be ready for todays council or board meeting though ;-)

er... tomorrow

When will it be ready? And does it work with Prosody? :)

well, https://lambada.jitsi.net is currently powered by prosody

it's using MUC... but that's an implementation detail

i really need to work with emil on making CoLiBri ready for submission

it trumps muji

and COIN?

and probably the hangouts stuff google never published as well

well... i still dread COIN

:)

but it's not used

three of the four clients in that videochat are mostly standard strophe.jingle ones

there is a proprietary extension, a custom jingle action

where i am not sure how to best solve that in a jingleish way

Awesom!

e*

So I'm assuming you're set to demo this and have a proper spec by FOSDEM, right?

No pressure, or anything.

sure. colibri is a dumb one job protocol

easy to document

"hey bridge, get me a channel"

And the rest?

stock jingle

and working around chrome bugs

I had it working with lance's unmodified stanzaio client until recently

What's the "proprietary extension"?

an addsource jingle extension

which has ssma children (which will be standard as soon as the xmpp editor returns from the well-deserved vacation and the council votes)

but that's it

Oh, wait. So out of four clients, A B C and D, A says to the bridge "hey, dude, channel!" and then basically spoofs the bridge's transport params to B, C, and D?

A is called "focus"

but yeah, that's it

OK, nice. So B/C/D don't need any special sauce? They can just be naïve Jingle clients?

A also relays some more information from B to C and D, C to B and D and D to B and C

mostly.

they need a little bit of extra information in chrome right now

and the ability to demux multiple video streams on the same rtp session

Oh, you're muxing. Gotcha.

because chrome muxes now

at some point chrome is going to do different m-lines for that

at least that is what's called unified plan

I prefer the current plan (B)

but there is no roadmap for unified even

i'd note that with unified, we'd solve the proprietary stuff in a standard compliant way

because that makes it a content-add

but for now i'll go proprietary :-)

fast, evil corporate way

fippo: You have a muxer?

zash: https://jitsi.org/Projects/JitsiVideobridge

fippo: That wasn't a muxer last time I checked, just a focus point that relayed everything to everyone