XSF Discussion - 2013-12-05

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  27. dwd

    MattJ, I'm being stalked.

  28. intosi

    Is this a complaint, or a thank you / look, /I/ have a stalker?

  29. dwd

    intosi, The latter framed as the former.

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  31. intosi

    That Future of XMPP Re: The Google Issue thread is really going wild.

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  44. fippo

    it seems I wrote the "open source disaster jingle javascript library" according to google translate

  45. fippo

    i think it got "strophe" in "open source strophe jingle javascript library" wrong when translating from german (kata-strophe => disaster)

  46. dwd

    Well, anything involving SDP...

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  59. Zash

    Dat Fine Talk Transport?

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  69. fippo

    http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/4/5173726/you-have-too-many-chat-apps-can-layer-connect-them -- stpeter, Jer joined them?

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  83. stpeter

    fippo: yes

  84. stpeter

    temas, too :-)

  85. fippo

    old jabberites (-:

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  87. fippo

    "One big problem was that Jabber wasn.t designed to keep up with devices popping in and out of connectivity"

  88. MattJ


  89. dwd

    Well, not originally.

  90. fippo

    without checking i think the article was written by the same person that wrote...

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  92. fippo

    stpeter: I am looking forward to Jers explanation of how Jabber failed :-p

  93. fippo

    maybe you can remind him to consider masinters "If you're going to do a standard for Instant Messaging (even 1-1 messaging), ignoring the requirements imposed by the possibility of group communication would likely lead you to a protocol that doesn't satisfy anyone's actual requirements.

  94. fippo

    this time ;-)

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  96. stpeter

    well, it would not surprise me that somehow what Jer said was lost in translation ... journalists ...

  97. fippo

    as usual (-:

  98. stpeter

    it's always a great day when you receive communications from both the IRS and the FBI ;-)

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  124. Alex

    hey guys

  125. MattJ

    Hey Alex

  126. bear waves

  127. Kev

    Hi Alex.

  128. Alex

    I'll start our meeting in 2 minuutes

  129. fippo

    oh, we have a meeting?

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  131. Alex

    ya, I think its not in teh calendar

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  133. Alex

    here is our agenda for today: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2013-12-05

  134. Alex

    1) Call for Quorum

  135. Alex

    as you can see 31 members voted via proxy, so we have a quorum already

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  137. Alex

    2) Items Subject to a Vote

  138. Alex

    new and returning members, you can see all applicants here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2013

  139. Alex

    3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting

  140. Alex

    anybody here who has not voted yet?

  141. waqas

    I'm not sure if I haven't or have

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  143. Alex

    waqas: don't see you jid on the agenda

  144. Alex

    memberbot is still online, so you can vote now

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  146. Alex

    have your votes, anybody else?

  147. Zash


  148. Alex

    ok, then I shutdown the bot and start counting

  149. waqas waits patiently to learn whether we managed to vote Florian in again

  150. MattJ

    Who is Florian? :)

  151. dwd

    waqas, We could also have fun, and vote on all sorts of AOB items.

  152. waqas

    I vote Yes

  153. MattJ

    What's the best kind of pizza?

  154. Kev

    A vote for Waqas is a vote for fun?

  155. Kev

    MattJ: Meat, obviously.

  156. Zash

    Kev: Seconded

  157. MattJ

    Do I get veto rights?

  158. Zash


  159. dwd

    I also vote for meat.

  160. MattJ

    dwd, bacon pizza?

  161. Alex

    4) Announcement of Voting Results

  162. dwd

    But that said, we must formally propose the motion, first.

  163. Alex

    if you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2013-12-05/ you can see the results

  164. MattJ

    Nobody reads membership applications, it's official :)

  165. Alex

    all new and returning members are accepted

  166. Alex

    congrats to everybody

  167. dwd

    MattJ, Indeed.

  168. Alex

    5) Any Other Business?

  169. dwd

    Alex, Matt wanted us to vote on the best kind of pizza.

  170. Alex

    ok, then do so ;-)

  171. Alex

    is there a way to get a better calendar?

  172. dwd

    Alex, Hey, we've a quorate meeting, we can vote on pretty much anything.

  173. Alex

    so that more people can edit it?

  174. MattJ

    That would be good

  175. MattJ

    XMPP-based, of course

  176. dwd

    Alex, Editing isn't the problem, actually, it's in git. The problem is generating the new one.

  177. dwd

    I proose we ask the calendaring expert who just joined us as a member.

  178. Kev

    dwd: Well, kinda. Editing is still less convenient than google cal, or whatever.

  179. Alex

    ya, I mean something usable for a windows dummy like me ;-)

  180. Alex

    not git checkout edit compile, checking crypt whatever

  181. dwd

    Alex, I'll raise this at Board if you like.

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  183. Alex

    we can wrote a prosody bot ;-)

  184. bear

    +1 to solving the group calendar question

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  186. bear

    I like the bot idea

  187. Kev

    I'll be unfashionable and say I'd actually be fine with just a google calendar.

  188. Alex

    I am absolutly fine with that as well

  189. dwd

    Kev, Yeah, and we used to have that, but the whole silo thing, you know.

  190. bear

    google calendar with multiple editors only works with GApps

  191. bear

    (only works well and cleanly)

  192. Kev

    bear: Are you sure? I'm using a non-gapps calendar that I don't own but can edit.

  193. Kev

    Multiple, in fact.

  194. Alex

    I use shared calandar with my family and hobby club without problems, multiple editors

  195. bear

    then my info is old and crusty - kinda like me today

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  197. Alex

    also free gmail accounts here

  198. Kev

    If that's the case...perhaps a shower? :D

  199. dwd

    Kev, We can vote on that if you like.

  200. bear

    hehe - yea, that may actually be a great idea

  201. Alex

    board will figure this out, anything else?

  202. dwd

    Alex, I'd like to propose the motion that more people show up to these meetings.

  203. dwd

    Anyone care to second? It'll give Alex something to add to his minutes.

  204. bear


  205. Alex


  206. Alex

    how can we achieve this?

  207. Alex

    send out more emails?

  208. Alex

    have a better cal?

  209. Alex

    send an invite over memberbot?

  210. dwd

    Alex, I'm not sure, actually. But better calendar, a bot that tells people - anything might help.

  211. dwd

    Also formally voting on it and including it in the minutes might kick a few people into coming along, and voting too.

  212. bear

    getting a bot written for day-to-day stuff sounds like a good solution

  213. ralphm


  214. MattJ

    I'd say I'd do it, but I know I wouldn't

  215. MattJ

    As much as I'd love to

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  218. bear


  219. dwd

    We could vote him to do it while he's not looking. Nobody can resist an XSF member's vote. ;-)

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  221. ralphm

    By the way, +1 for Pepperoni.

  222. Alex

    ok, +1 from me

  223. ralphm

    Alex: great!

  224. Alex

    for both, Lance and the Pizza

  225. bear


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  227. Alex

    ok, thats it?

  228. dwd

    Yeah, OK, so "more people should show up", "Lance will do stuff with the bot", and "as much meat as possible".

  229. bear nods as officially as he can

  230. dwd

    Alex, Unless we can think of anything else silly to vote on.

  231. Alex

    lets adjourn before you guys get crazy here ;-)

  232. Alex

    6) Formal Adjournment

  233. Alex

    I motion that we adjourn

  234. ralphm


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  236. Alex

    thanks guys

  237. bear

    thanks Alex!

  238. Kev

    Thanks Alex.

  239. Kev

    And thanks for those who turned up.

  240. Kev


  241. Alex

    add our new girls to the list and remove the members who have not reapplied

  242. fippo

    dwd: hrmpf, I was having a colibri session with emil and everyone could have joined (-:

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  247. MattJ

    I wouldn't do that if I were you

  248. Lance

    if someone gives me requirements for bot stuff, i'll be happy to do it

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  256. dwd

    Lance, It seemed to be "voting and meeting reminders".

  257. dwd

    Alex failed to minute the pizza discussion. :-(

  258. Kev


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  260. intosi

    +1 on the pepperoni, even though voting on that doesn't make any sense (meeting adjourned and such)

  261. MattJ

    Yeah, it made perfect sense two hours ago :)

  262. Kev

    It makes about as much sense as...

  263. Kev

    Right, Matt beat me to it.

  264. intosi

    So, XSF dinner will be pizza instead of the place in Sint-Jezuseik?

  265. Lance


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