XSF Discussion - 2013-12-05

MattJ, I'm being stalked.

Is this a complaint, or a thank you / look, /I/ have a stalker?

intosi, The latter framed as the former.

That Future of XMPP Re: The Google Issue thread is really going wild.

it seems I wrote the "open source disaster jingle javascript library" according to google translate

i think it got "strophe" in "open source strophe jingle javascript library" wrong when translating from german (kata-strophe => disaster)

Well, anything involving SDP...

DFTT

Dat Fine Talk Transport?

Oh

http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/4/5173726/you-have-too-many-chat-apps-can-layer-connect-them -- stpeter, Jer joined them?

cool

fippo: yes

temas, too :-)

old jabberites (-:

yep

"One big problem was that Jabber wasn.t designed to keep up with devices popping in and out of connectivity"

198

Well, not originally.

without checking i think the article was written by the same person that wrote...

...

stpeter: I am looking forward to Jers explanation of how Jabber failed :-p

maybe you can remind him to consider masinters "If you're going to do a standard for Instant Messaging (even 1-1 messaging), ignoring the requirements imposed by the possibility of group communication would likely lead you to a protocol that doesn't satisfy anyone's actual requirements.

this time ;-)

well, it would not surprise me that somehow what Jer said was lost in translation ... journalists ...

as usual (-:

it's always a great day when you receive communications from both the IRS and the FBI ;-)

horay

hey guys

Hey Alex

Hi Alex.

I'll start our meeting in 2 minuutes

oh, we have a meeting?

ya, I think its not in teh calendar

here is our agenda for today: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2013-12-05

1) Call for Quorum

as you can see 31 members voted via proxy, so we have a quorum already

2) Items Subject to a Vote

new and returning members, you can see all applicants here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2013

3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting

anybody here who has not voted yet?

I'm not sure if I haven't or have

waqas: don't see you jid on the agenda

memberbot is still online, so you can vote now

Done

have your votes, anybody else?

.

ok, then I shutdown the bot and start counting

Who is Florian? :)

waqas, We could also have fun, and vote on all sorts of AOB items.

I vote Yes

What's the best kind of pizza?

A vote for Waqas is a vote for fun?

MattJ: Meat, obviously.

Kev: Seconded

Do I get veto rights?

No

I also vote for meat.

dwd, bacon pizza?

4) Announcement of Voting Results

But that said, we must formally propose the motion, first.

if you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2013-12-05/ you can see the results

Nobody reads membership applications, it's official :)

all new and returning members are accepted

congrats to everybody

MattJ, Indeed.

5) Any Other Business?

Alex, Matt wanted us to vote on the best kind of pizza.

ok, then do so ;-)

is there a way to get a better calendar?

Alex, Hey, we've a quorate meeting, we can vote on pretty much anything.

so that more people can edit it?

That would be good

XMPP-based, of course

Alex, Editing isn't the problem, actually, it's in git. The problem is generating the new one.

I proose we ask the calendaring expert who just joined us as a member.

dwd: Well, kinda. Editing is still less convenient than google cal, or whatever.

ya, I mean something usable for a windows dummy like me ;-)

not git checkout edit compile, checking crypt whatever

Alex, I'll raise this at Board if you like.

ok

we can wrote a prosody bot ;-)

+1 to solving the group calendar question

I like the bot idea

I'll be unfashionable and say I'd actually be fine with just a google calendar.

I am absolutly fine with that as well

Kev, Yeah, and we used to have that, but the whole silo thing, you know.

google calendar with multiple editors only works with GApps

(only works well and cleanly)

bear: Are you sure? I'm using a non-gapps calendar that I don't own but can edit.

Multiple, in fact.

I use shared calandar with my family and hobby club without problems, multiple editors

then my info is old and crusty - kinda like me today

also free gmail accounts here

If that's the case...perhaps a shower? :D

Kev, We can vote on that if you like.

hehe - yea, that may actually be a great idea

board will figure this out, anything else?

Alex, I'd like to propose the motion that more people show up to these meetings.

Anyone care to second? It'll give Alex something to add to his minutes.

second!

seconds

how can we achieve this?

send out more emails?

have a better cal?

send an invite over memberbot?

Alex, I'm not sure, actually. But better calendar, a bot that tells people - anything might help.

Also formally voting on it and including it in the minutes might kick a few people into coming along, and voting too.

getting a bot written for day-to-day stuff sounds like a good solution

:-D

I'd say I'd do it, but I know I wouldn't

As much as I'd love to

So...

Lance!

lance!

We could vote him to do it while he's not looking. Nobody can resist an XSF member's vote. ;-)

By the way, +1 for Pepperoni.

ok, +1 from me

Alex: great!

for both, Lance and the Pizza

:)

ok, thats it?

Yeah, OK, so "more people should show up", "Lance will do stuff with the bot", and "as much meat as possible".

Alex, Unless we can think of anything else silly to vote on.

lets adjourn before you guys get crazy here ;-)

6) Formal Adjournment

I motion that we adjourn

+1

thanks guys

thanks Alex!

Thanks Alex.

And thanks for those who turned up.

s/for/to/

add our new girls to the list and remove the members who have not reapplied

dwd: hrmpf, I was having a colibri session with emil and everyone could have joined (-:

I wouldn't do that if I were you

if someone gives me requirements for bot stuff, i'll be happy to do it

Lance, It seemed to be "voting and meeting reminders".

Alex failed to minute the pizza discussion. :-(

Shocking.

+1 on the pepperoni, even though voting on that doesn't make any sense (meeting adjourned and such)

Yeah, it made perfect sense two hours ago :)

It makes about as much sense as...

Right, Matt beat me to it.

So, XSF dinner will be pizza instead of the place in Sint-Jezuseik?

xmppizza