XSF Discussion - 2013-12-05

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  27. dwd MattJ, I'm being stalked.
  28. intosi Is this a complaint, or a thank you / look, /I/ have a stalker?
  29. dwd intosi, The latter framed as the former.
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  31. intosi That Future of XMPP Re: The Google Issue thread is really going wild.
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  44. fippo it seems I wrote the "open source disaster jingle javascript library" according to google translate
  45. fippo i think it got "strophe" in "open source strophe jingle javascript library" wrong when translating from german (kata-strophe => disaster)
  46. dwd Well, anything involving SDP...
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  58. stpeter DFTT
  59. Zash Dat Fine Talk Transport?
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  61. Zash Oh
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  69. fippo http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/4/5173726/you-have-too-many-chat-apps-can-layer-connect-them -- stpeter, Jer joined them?
  70. fippo cool
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  83. stpeter fippo: yes
  84. stpeter temas, too :-)
  85. fippo old jabberites (-:
  86. stpeter yep
  87. fippo "One big problem was that Jabber wasn.t designed to keep up with devices popping in and out of connectivity"
  88. MattJ 198
  89. dwd Well, not originally.
  90. fippo without checking i think the article was written by the same person that wrote...
  91. Zash ...
  92. fippo stpeter: I am looking forward to Jers explanation of how Jabber failed :-p
  93. fippo maybe you can remind him to consider masinters "If you're going to do a standard for Instant Messaging (even 1-1 messaging), ignoring the requirements imposed by the possibility of group communication would likely lead you to a protocol that doesn't satisfy anyone's actual requirements.
  94. fippo this time ;-)
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  96. stpeter well, it would not surprise me that somehow what Jer said was lost in translation ... journalists ...
  97. fippo as usual (-:
  98. stpeter it's always a great day when you receive communications from both the IRS and the FBI ;-)
  99. fippo horay
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  124. Alex hey guys
  125. MattJ Hey Alex
  126. bear waves
  127. Kev Hi Alex.
  128. Alex I'll start our meeting in 2 minuutes
  129. fippo oh, we have a meeting?
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  131. Alex ya, I think its not in teh calendar
  132. Alex bangs the gavel
  133. Alex here is our agenda for today: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2013-12-05
  134. Alex 1) Call for Quorum
  135. Alex as you can see 31 members voted via proxy, so we have a quorum already
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  137. Alex 2) Items Subject to a Vote
  138. Alex new and returning members, you can see all applicants here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q3_2013
  139. Alex 3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting
  140. Alex anybody here who has not voted yet?
  141. waqas I'm not sure if I haven't or have
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  143. Alex waqas: don't see you jid on the agenda
  144. Alex memberbot is still online, so you can vote now
  145. waqas Done
  146. Alex have your votes, anybody else?
  147. Zash .
  148. Alex ok, then I shutdown the bot and start counting
  149. waqas waits patiently to learn whether we managed to vote Florian in again
  150. MattJ Who is Florian? :)
  151. dwd waqas, We could also have fun, and vote on all sorts of AOB items.
  152. waqas I vote Yes
  153. MattJ What's the best kind of pizza?
  154. Kev A vote for Waqas is a vote for fun?
  155. Kev MattJ: Meat, obviously.
  156. Zash Kev: Seconded
  157. MattJ Do I get veto rights?
  158. Zash No
  159. dwd I also vote for meat.
  160. MattJ dwd, bacon pizza?
  161. Alex 4) Announcement of Voting Results
  162. dwd But that said, we must formally propose the motion, first.
  163. Alex if you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2013-12-05/ you can see the results
  164. MattJ Nobody reads membership applications, it's official :)
  165. Alex all new and returning members are accepted
  166. Alex congrats to everybody
  167. dwd MattJ, Indeed.
  168. Alex 5) Any Other Business?
  169. dwd Alex, Matt wanted us to vote on the best kind of pizza.
  170. Alex ok, then do so ;-)
  171. Alex is there a way to get a better calendar?
  172. dwd Alex, Hey, we've a quorate meeting, we can vote on pretty much anything.
  173. Alex so that more people can edit it?
  174. MattJ That would be good
  175. MattJ XMPP-based, of course
  176. dwd Alex, Editing isn't the problem, actually, it's in git. The problem is generating the new one.
  177. dwd I proose we ask the calendaring expert who just joined us as a member.
  178. Kev dwd: Well, kinda. Editing is still less convenient than google cal, or whatever.
  179. Alex ya, I mean something usable for a windows dummy like me ;-)
  180. Alex not git checkout edit compile, checking crypt whatever
  181. dwd Alex, I'll raise this at Board if you like.
  182. Alex ok
  183. Alex we can wrote a prosody bot ;-)
  184. bear +1 to solving the group calendar question
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  186. bear I like the bot idea
  187. Kev I'll be unfashionable and say I'd actually be fine with just a google calendar.
  188. Alex I am absolutly fine with that as well
  189. dwd Kev, Yeah, and we used to have that, but the whole silo thing, you know.
  190. bear google calendar with multiple editors only works with GApps
  191. bear (only works well and cleanly)
  192. Kev bear: Are you sure? I'm using a non-gapps calendar that I don't own but can edit.
  193. Kev Multiple, in fact.
  194. Alex I use shared calandar with my family and hobby club without problems, multiple editors
  195. bear then my info is old and crusty - kinda like me today
  196. bear goes back to his cave
  197. Alex also free gmail accounts here
  198. Kev If that's the case...perhaps a shower? :D
  199. dwd Kev, We can vote on that if you like.
  200. bear hehe - yea, that may actually be a great idea
  201. Alex board will figure this out, anything else?
  202. dwd Alex, I'd like to propose the motion that more people show up to these meetings.
  203. dwd Anyone care to second? It'll give Alex something to add to his minutes.
  204. bear second!
  205. Alex seconds
  206. Alex how can we achieve this?
  207. Alex send out more emails?
  208. Alex have a better cal?
  209. Alex send an invite over memberbot?
  210. dwd Alex, I'm not sure, actually. But better calendar, a bot that tells people - anything might help.
  211. dwd Also formally voting on it and including it in the minutes might kick a few people into coming along, and voting too.
  212. bear getting a bot written for day-to-day stuff sounds like a good solution
  213. ralphm :-D
  214. MattJ I'd say I'd do it, but I know I wouldn't
  215. MattJ As much as I'd love to
  216. MattJ So...
  217. MattJ Lance!
  218. bear lance!
  219. dwd We could vote him to do it while he's not looking. Nobody can resist an XSF member's vote. ;-)
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  221. ralphm By the way, +1 for Pepperoni.
  222. Alex ok, +1 from me
  223. ralphm Alex: great!
  224. Alex for both, Lance and the Pizza
  225. bear :)
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  227. Alex ok, thats it?
  228. dwd Yeah, OK, so "more people should show up", "Lance will do stuff with the bot", and "as much meat as possible".
  229. bear nods as officially as he can
  230. dwd Alex, Unless we can think of anything else silly to vote on.
  231. Alex lets adjourn before you guys get crazy here ;-)
  232. Alex 6) Formal Adjournment
  233. Alex I motion that we adjourn
  234. ralphm +1
  235. Alex bangs the gavel
  236. Alex thanks guys
  237. bear thanks Alex!
  238. Kev Thanks Alex.
  239. Kev And thanks for those who turned up.
  240. Kev s/for/to/
  241. Alex add our new girls to the list and remove the members who have not reapplied
  242. fippo dwd: hrmpf, I was having a colibri session with emil and everyone could have joined (-:
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  247. MattJ I wouldn't do that if I were you
  248. Lance if someone gives me requirements for bot stuff, i'll be happy to do it
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  256. dwd Lance, It seemed to be "voting and meeting reminders".
  257. dwd Alex failed to minute the pizza discussion. :-(
  258. Kev Shocking.
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  260. intosi +1 on the pepperoni, even though voting on that doesn't make any sense (meeting adjourned and such)
  261. MattJ Yeah, it made perfect sense two hours ago :)
  262. Kev It makes about as much sense as...
  263. Kev Right, Matt beat me to it.
  264. intosi So, XSF dinner will be pizza instead of the place in Sint-Jezuseik?
  265. Lance xmppizza
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