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dwd
http://netsecpro.spreadshirt.de/ - I've asked Steffan Winter (the creator) if he'd mind us stealing the idea. Perfect concept for FOSDEM, I suspect.
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ralphm
heh
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ralphm
But would you fly with one?
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Zash
Hehe
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dwd
No, it's not a great t-shirt for airport security checkpoints.
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dwd
> Would you be upset if I purloined that phrase for t-shirts for the XMPP > Standards Foundation to give away and/or sell? On one condition: I want one of those then :-) XL! Stefan
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Kev
I wonder if 'chat encryption' is more XMPP that 'mass encryption'
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dwd
Well, "mass encryption" is a better prhase.
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Kev
It is.
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ralphm
and hey, XMPP is more than chat. Tsk.
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Kev
Indeed.
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Kev
But 'weapons of mass encryption' is vague and not particularly related to XMPP.
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Kev
So...swings and roundabouts.
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dwd
Wait, there's swings?
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intosi
Wheeeee!
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Kev
dwd: Uhm, yes. What type of roads do /you/ drive on?
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intosi
Roads? Where Dave goes, there are no roads ;)
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dwd
That's true on my commute into the office.
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intosi
Morning traffic was hell: major delays at the shower.
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dwd
intosi, If there was actual congestion at the shower, that sounds like it might have been fun.
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intosi
:)
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Kev
I had major delays on the 'why on Earth did I try a jog only two days after training?'.
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ralphm
Jogging. Pft. Nothing beats drumming.
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Kev
I hadn't considered doing that for exercise. Might be more fun :)
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intosi
Sports: drumming.
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ralphm
Indeed.
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intosi
I like the sound of that.
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ralphm
I think it also exercises many more different muscle areas.
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dwd
So does swimming.
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dwd
I wonder if you could combine the two.
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ralphm
http://vimeo.com/49273882
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ralphm
But don't do it if you're attached to your gear.
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dwd
ralphm, Well, if you're attached to your gear, and your gear is at the bottom of a pool, you'd drown.
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intosi
Best not to use your vDrums for that.
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dwd
Although Sony ones might be waterproof, these days.
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dwd
If Sony make them.
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ralphm
dwd: amateur! There are ways to deal with that. Diving equipment has been around for quite some time now.
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intosi
Also: hard to get your timing right.
- dwd writes a mail to members@ suggesting they hang around in the chatroom more.
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Kev
intosi: My vDrums are going nowhere near water.
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dwd
You live in Wales. Water falleth from the sky.
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ralphm
Kev: do they ever go outside?
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Kev
ralphm: They do not.
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dwd
How did you get them in the house?
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Kev
ralphm: I haven't gigged in a very very long time, and if I did I would take an acoustic kit.
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Kev
dwd: Are going, not have never been.
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ralphm
Ah, I sometimes take them along for a gig. I think a few times played outside, even.
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intosi
ralphm: not when there was the slightest chance of rain.
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Kev
I've got a set of Flats that would be as convenient as vdrums for shipping around the place, and are acoustic.
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dwd
Kev, You see how confusing it gets when you don't use RFC 2119?
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Kev
I don't have a 'real' acoustic kit any more.
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ralphm
intosi: well, once I used them at a xmas thing. Wasn't there snow? (We were under a tent)
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intosi
Lemme check, I think I still have a few pictures.
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intosi
Ah, I don't have pictures of that gig. You might be right.
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dwd
Ah, "You might be right" == "I lack evidence you are wrong"
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Kev
Oh. My vdrums are quite a lot cheaper now than they used to be. A lot a lot, actually. How upsetting.
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ralphm
Have you seen the TD-30 module, though? Pretty nice!
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intosi
dwd: rightr
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Kev
Mine's only the TD-4 module.
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intosi
I smell G.A.S....
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ralphm
I have a TD-12
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Kev
Although with the mesh heads instead of the rubber mats.
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ralphm
intosi: well, probably a Octapad, first (http://www.roland.com/products/en/SPD-30/)
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intosi
That would be great. No more overloading of thunder or whoops on the bell of your crash ;)
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ralphm
Interestingly, the white ones are less expensive than the black ones.
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Kev
The octopads are cute.
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Kev
s/to/ta/
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intosi
The cool kids pick black, the even cooler ones can get away with white.
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intosi
The white one will match nicely with the mesh on your drums.
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ralphm
true, but all of the /rest/ of the kit is black
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intosi
Right.
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intosi
And to make this more XMPP-ish: your kit should set your user mood based on the way you drum
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Kev
I still want an XMPP-based way of jamming.
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ralphm
MIDI over XMPP doesn't seem like it would be hard
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ralphm
Dealing with latency: delay a few bars
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Kev
Doesn't 'delay a few bars' rather introduce latency, rather than deal with it? :)
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dwd
I don't know what the delay in audio/Jingle is, but having synchronized MIDI and Jingle would be amusing.
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intosi
You want hard promises on latency.
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dwd
intosi, "There WILL be latency. I promise".
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intosi
dwd: true, and you can anticipate, as long as you have ridig limits (not being: latency will be between 0.0 and 60.0 seconds)
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intosi
But still, any noticeable latency will kill all the fun in jamming.
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dwd
I wonder if you could synchronize multiple audio streams, so as long as your remotes were all playing to a metronome, you could at least do a distributed performance?
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ralphm
my point was that for *jamming* having sound delayed (exactly) 4 bars might make the experience fun
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intosi
That could actually work.
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Kev
That might work.
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intosi
So you would play something, I would hear it immediately, and you'd hear my lines four bars delayed.
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Kev
Well, you'd need it delayed too, surely?
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ralphm
http://www.tml.tkk.fi/Opinnot/T-111.5080/2006/FPaperit/Latency_Kleimola_final.pdf
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intosi
Not by the same interval as Ralph would.
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Kev
So Ralph plays something at B=1, you hear it and play over at B=5, Ralph hears your stuff over B=9 that you played when you heard B=1.
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ralphm
it appears that latencies <=20ms should work reasonably well
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intosi
Kev: no point in me hearing Ralph's B=1 when he's at B=2 so that he can hear my first beat when he's at B=5
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intosi
No issue in
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intosi
You need to delay and distribute the audio anyway.
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fippo
i've heard this music-over-webrtc usecase before...
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fippo
https://github.com/atamborrino/ztream
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dwd
I wonder if it's worth pinging HTA about Google Talk.
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MattJ
HTA?
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dwd
Harald Alvestrand. Google, I *think*, IETF guy.
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dwd
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+HaraldTveitAlvestrand/posts
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dwd
Yep, Google.
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ralphm
By the way, Chris Messina was mentioned before, but he left Google months ago.
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dwd
Yes, I said as much shortly after mentioning him