switching to bouncycastle is a first thing that comes to mind
dwd
Bouncycastle is nice, but there's no FIPS yet, is there?
Kev
No, but they want to.
Kev
And/or intend to. I forget which.
dwd
The tricky bit with FIPS is getting someone to pay for it though.
Kev
Yes. BC have had a donation drive recently.
Kev
Looks like they've already raised $3k out of the $400k they want...
MattJ
It's the kind of thing you can't make a shiny video for and put it on a crowdfunding site
MattJ
Though it would be fun to see the attempt :)
Zash
Just mention the NSA a bit and you'll probably do fine
Simon
instead we have invent-your-own-chat-system / invent-your-own-crypto applications like Telegram.
dwd
Nothing wrong with double-ROT-13, is there?
emcho
dwd: you kidding? would never use anything below quad-ROT-22 !!!
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:D
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bear
did we get any news from FOSDEM sunday?
fippopokes ralphm
dwdlooks at the FOSDEM site, and is surprised to see it looks pretty.
dwd
I had to double-check I'd hit the right site.
bear
LOL
Zash
London scares me
fippo
bear: yusuke didn't book a flight under the assumption that there is a summit so nothing bad happened :-)
bear
heck, I don't know why we couldn't have two events
dwd
bear, We possibly could if we ensure they're distinct enough.
bearnods
dwd
bear, I was wondering about doing pure interop at one. Maybe a specific targetted "build a solution" discussion - I vaguely thought in terms of building an actual tool for remote participation.
bear
if our fosdem news is good, and we can find a venue, I would suggest the "summit" be at fosdem and the london event be an interop for xmpp web
bear
I was noodling on the same thought
dwd
I'd actually suggest the other way around, possibly. We could potentially hook in a fair number of IETFers in London.
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dwd
ralphm, Ping?
bear
I was only suggesting fosdem because it's a large community and the summit is (IMO) all about community
bear
I'm going to suggest that we go forward knowing that we will do two events and then start planning for both
bear
s/going to/thinking about/ (insert other wiggle words as needed)
dwd
I think we can't do much planning until we know if we have a stand of any form.
bear
for fosdem - agree (guess i'm being an optimist)
dwd
https://fosdem.org/2014/stands/ -- There's still a few blanks there.
Zash
A few
bearchuckles
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waqas
Have we decided where we are going? I need to figure out visas and stuff ASAP.
dwd
waqas, I'm not sure we can decide on Brussels without hearing from FOSDEM.
waqas
MattJ has been trying to get me into the UK
dwd
waqas, Is his suitcase big enough?
waqas
He took it with him. It /was/ big enough.
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dwd
Oh! I'd actually forgotten about the Suitcase Of Doomâ„¢.
bear
I'm still hoping for the "after" pictures of the Suitcase of Doom
waqas
And to imagine it was fully packed. Seriously, both of us combined were having a hard time moving his luggage around, I'm not sure how he managed it alone last time :)
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Zash
And I could fit everything I brought in my computer bag...
waqas
Oh, there is a picture floating around somewhere, with an Apple sticker added to the suitcase :)
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ralphm
I still haven't heard back from FOSDEM. I'm pinging them.
intosi
Thanks, ralphm.
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ralphm
"Sorry for the delay, expect a mail tonight or tomorrow."
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ralphm
About that, little birdie told me to get our Jingle on.
fippo
there is a message hidden there, isnt it?
ralphm
Let's say they don't want us to announce it before sending out 80 e-mails today or tomorrow.