XSF Discussion - 2013-12-16

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11:28:51 fippo mattj: https://github.com/ESTOS/meet :-)
11:29:20 fippo I wonder how i ended up using prosody for everything
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14:21:25 Zash fippo: It must be contagious or something
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14:49:02 dwd Excellent. The STOX virtual interim is being held over Webex and a phone bridge.
14:49:15 MattJ Of course!
14:49:24 dwd emcho, fippo - I'll bet you're so happy about that one. :-)
14:49:47 Kev The future are here.
14:53:40 emcho haha :)
14:53:55 emcho dwd: we'll let it slide this time because we don't have slide sharing yet
14:54:13 emcho fippo is working on that though so it probably wouldn't be long
14:54:32 fippo oh i heard my slidesharing is useless because it cant do animations! :-)
14:54:36 MattJ Heh
14:54:43 MattJ All those IETF slides with animations
14:54:52 emcho lool :)
14:55:02 emcho fippo: you didn't hear that from me
14:55:13 fippo no ;-)
14:55:17 emcho fippo: (nor from anyone at the IETF for all I know)
14:55:40 Kev Stream it over video. Then you get animations aplenty.
14:55:52 fippo kev: browsers don't do screensharing
14:56:01 fippo or are removing the support they currently have for that
14:56:02 MattJ Chrome does
14:56:12 MattJ They're removing support?
14:56:23 emcho yeah
14:56:26 emcho too insecure
14:56:36 MattJ in what way?
14:56:36 emcho they'll only allow it for apps you get from the chrome store
14:56:51 MattJ Interesting
14:57:12 emcho in the way that it will be very risky to allow any web page with a cert to both load pages and see them ...
14:57:31 MattJ Ha
14:58:43 emcho but jitsi will soon be able to participate in these call and in there you can share all you want ;)
14:58:50 emcho s/call/calls
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14:59:43 Zash Hey emcho
14:59:49 emcho hey Zash
15:00:37 Zash You happen to know anything about Jitsi (on Win7) failing TLS if an EDH cipher is selected?
15:01:30 emcho Zash: most likely a problem with the way the JVM handles this. probably fixeable
15:02:08 Zash Didn't see anything that looked related in the log files I found
15:03:11 emcho yup. it's most likely the jvm
15:05:34 MattJ Zash, emcho: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/ssl/ssl_faq.html#javadh
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15:06:28 emcho right
15:06:38 Zash Sigh
15:06:55 emcho as i said though, it's most likely fixeable
15:07:13 emcho switching to bouncycastle is a first thing that comes to mind
15:08:18 dwd Bouncycastle is nice, but there's no FIPS yet, is there?
15:08:28 Kev No, but they want to.
15:08:35 Kev And/or intend to. I forget which.
15:08:49 dwd The tricky bit with FIPS is getting someone to pay for it though.
15:09:29 Kev Yes. BC have had a donation drive recently.
15:11:08 Kev Looks like they've already raised $3k out of the $400k they want...
15:12:31 MattJ It's the kind of thing you can't make a shiny video for and put it on a crowdfunding site
15:12:45 MattJ Though it would be fun to see the attempt :)
15:13:58 Zash Just mention the NSA a bit and you'll probably do fine
15:14:09 Simon instead we have invent-your-own-chat-system / invent-your-own-crypto applications like Telegram.
15:17:43 dwd Nothing wrong with double-ROT-13, is there?
15:23:28 emcho dwd: you kidding? would never use anything below quad-ROT-22 !!!
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15:38:09 Alex :D
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17:08:14 bear did we get any news from FOSDEM sunday?
17:08:38 fippo pokes ralphm
17:08:56 dwd looks at the FOSDEM site, and is surprised to see it looks pretty.
17:09:10 dwd I had to double-check I'd hit the right site.
17:09:55 bear LOL
17:11:00 Zash London scares me
17:11:02 fippo bear: yusuke didn't book a flight under the assumption that there is a summit so nothing bad happened :-)
17:13:06 bear heck, I don't know why we couldn't have two events
17:13:27 dwd bear, We possibly could if we ensure they're distinct enough.
17:13:36 bear nods
17:14:29 dwd bear, I was wondering about doing pure interop at one. Maybe a specific targetted "build a solution" discussion - I vaguely thought in terms of building an actual tool for remote participation.
17:14:31 bear if our fosdem news is good, and we can find a venue, I would suggest the "summit" be at fosdem and the london event be an interop for xmpp web
17:14:49 bear I was noodling on the same thought
17:15:08 dwd I'd actually suggest the other way around, possibly. We could potentially hook in a fair number of IETFers in London.
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17:15:44 dwd ralphm, Ping?
17:15:49 bear I was only suggesting fosdem because it's a large community and the summit is (IMO) all about community
17:16:56 bear I'm going to suggest that we go forward knowing that we will do two events and then start planning for both
17:17:10 bear s/going to/thinking about/ (insert other wiggle words as needed)
17:17:27 dwd I think we can't do much planning until we know if we have a stand of any form.
17:18:00 bear for fosdem - agree (guess i'm being an optimist)
17:22:26 dwd https://fosdem.org/2014/stands/ -- There's still a few blanks there.
17:22:50 Zash A few
17:23:50 bear chuckles
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17:31:10 waqas Have we decided where we are going? I need to figure out visas and stuff ASAP.
17:31:32 dwd waqas, I'm not sure we can decide on Brussels without hearing from FOSDEM.
17:31:57 waqas MattJ has been trying to get me into the UK
17:32:09 dwd waqas, Is his suitcase big enough?
17:32:32 waqas He took it with him. It /was/ big enough.
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17:37:27 dwd Oh! I'd actually forgotten about the Suitcase Of Doom™.
17:40:06 bear I'm still hoping for the "after" pictures of the Suitcase of Doom
17:40:20 waqas And to imagine it was fully packed. Seriously, both of us combined were having a hard time moving his luggage around, I'm not sure how he managed it alone last time :)
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17:40:43 Zash And I could fit everything I brought in my computer bag...
17:40:50 waqas Oh, there is a picture floating around somewhere, with an Apple sticker added to the suitcase :)
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18:26:36 ralphm I still haven't heard back from FOSDEM. I'm pinging them.
18:30:03 intosi Thanks, ralphm.
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18:33:58 ralphm "Sorry for the delay, expect a mail tonight or tomorrow."
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19:44:40 ralphm About that, little birdie told me to get our Jingle on.
19:45:29 fippo there is a message hidden there, isnt it?
19:47:49 ralphm Let's say they don't want us to announce it before sending out 80 e-mails today or tomorrow.
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23:35:26 MattJ xmmp.org is not registered...
23:36:02 waqas I've actually mis-typed that a few times :)