XSF Discussion - 2013-12-16

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  49. fippo

    mattj: https://github.com/ESTOS/meet :-)

  50. fippo

    I wonder how i ended up using prosody for everything

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  69. Zash

    fippo: It must be contagious or something

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  77. dwd

    Excellent. The STOX virtual interim is being held over Webex and a phone bridge.

  78. MattJ

    Of course!

  79. dwd

    emcho, fippo - I'll bet you're so happy about that one. :-)

  80. Kev

    The future are here.

  81. emcho

    haha :)

  82. emcho

    dwd: we'll let it slide this time because we don't have slide sharing yet

  83. emcho

    fippo is working on that though so it probably wouldn't be long

  84. fippo

    oh i heard my slidesharing is useless because it cant do animations! :-)

  85. MattJ


  86. MattJ

    All those IETF slides with animations

  87. emcho

    lool :)

  88. emcho

    fippo: you didn't hear that from me

  89. fippo

    no ;-)

  90. emcho

    fippo: (nor from anyone at the IETF for all I know)

  91. Kev

    Stream it over video. Then you get animations aplenty.

  92. fippo

    kev: browsers don't do screensharing

  93. fippo

    or are removing the support they currently have for that

  94. MattJ

    Chrome does

  95. MattJ

    They're removing support?

  96. emcho


  97. emcho

    too insecure

  98. MattJ

    in what way?

  99. emcho

    they'll only allow it for apps you get from the chrome store

  100. MattJ


  101. emcho

    in the way that it will be very risky to allow any web page with a cert to both load pages and see them ...

  102. MattJ


  103. emcho

    but jitsi will soon be able to participate in these call and in there you can share all you want ;)

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  106. Zash

    Hey emcho

  107. emcho

    hey Zash

  108. Zash

    You happen to know anything about Jitsi (on Win7) failing TLS if an EDH cipher is selected?

  109. emcho

    Zash: most likely a problem with the way the JVM handles this. probably fixeable

  110. Zash

    Didn't see anything that looked related in the log files I found

  111. emcho

    yup. it's most likely the jvm

  112. MattJ

    Zash, emcho: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/ssl/ssl_faq.html#javadh

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  116. emcho

    as i said though, it's most likely fixeable

  117. emcho

    switching to bouncycastle is a first thing that comes to mind

  118. dwd

    Bouncycastle is nice, but there's no FIPS yet, is there?

  119. Kev

    No, but they want to.

  120. Kev

    And/or intend to. I forget which.

  121. dwd

    The tricky bit with FIPS is getting someone to pay for it though.

  122. Kev

    Yes. BC have had a donation drive recently.

  123. Kev

    Looks like they've already raised $3k out of the $400k they want...

  124. MattJ

    It's the kind of thing you can't make a shiny video for and put it on a crowdfunding site

  125. MattJ

    Though it would be fun to see the attempt :)

  126. Zash

    Just mention the NSA a bit and you'll probably do fine

  127. Simon

    instead we have invent-your-own-chat-system / invent-your-own-crypto applications like Telegram.

  128. dwd

    Nothing wrong with double-ROT-13, is there?

  129. emcho

    dwd: you kidding? would never use anything below quad-ROT-22 !!!

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  140. bear

    did we get any news from FOSDEM sunday?

  141. fippo pokes ralphm

  142. dwd looks at the FOSDEM site, and is surprised to see it looks pretty.

  143. dwd

    I had to double-check I'd hit the right site.

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  145. Zash

    London scares me

  146. fippo

    bear: yusuke didn't book a flight under the assumption that there is a summit so nothing bad happened :-)

  147. bear

    heck, I don't know why we couldn't have two events

  148. dwd

    bear, We possibly could if we ensure they're distinct enough.

  149. bear nods

  150. dwd

    bear, I was wondering about doing pure interop at one. Maybe a specific targetted "build a solution" discussion - I vaguely thought in terms of building an actual tool for remote participation.

  151. bear

    if our fosdem news is good, and we can find a venue, I would suggest the "summit" be at fosdem and the london event be an interop for xmpp web

  152. bear

    I was noodling on the same thought

  153. dwd

    I'd actually suggest the other way around, possibly. We could potentially hook in a fair number of IETFers in London.

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  155. dwd

    ralphm, Ping?

  156. bear

    I was only suggesting fosdem because it's a large community and the summit is (IMO) all about community

  157. bear

    I'm going to suggest that we go forward knowing that we will do two events and then start planning for both

  158. bear

    s/going to/thinking about/ (insert other wiggle words as needed)

  159. dwd

    I think we can't do much planning until we know if we have a stand of any form.

  160. bear

    for fosdem - agree (guess i'm being an optimist)

  161. dwd

    https://fosdem.org/2014/stands/ -- There's still a few blanks there.

  162. Zash

    A few

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  165. waqas

    Have we decided where we are going? I need to figure out visas and stuff ASAP.

  166. dwd

    waqas, I'm not sure we can decide on Brussels without hearing from FOSDEM.

  167. waqas

    MattJ has been trying to get me into the UK

  168. dwd

    waqas, Is his suitcase big enough?

  169. waqas

    He took it with him. It /was/ big enough.

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  171. dwd

    Oh! I'd actually forgotten about the Suitcase Of Doomâ„¢.

  172. bear

    I'm still hoping for the "after" pictures of the Suitcase of Doom

  173. waqas

    And to imagine it was fully packed. Seriously, both of us combined were having a hard time moving his luggage around, I'm not sure how he managed it alone last time :)

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  175. Zash

    And I could fit everything I brought in my computer bag...

  176. waqas

    Oh, there is a picture floating around somewhere, with an Apple sticker added to the suitcase :)

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  186. ralphm

    I still haven't heard back from FOSDEM. I'm pinging them.

  187. intosi

    Thanks, ralphm.

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  189. ralphm

    "Sorry for the delay, expect a mail tonight or tomorrow."

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  196. ralphm

    About that, little birdie told me to get our Jingle on.

  197. fippo

    there is a message hidden there, isnt it?

  198. ralphm

    Let's say they don't want us to announce it before sending out 80 e-mails today or tomorrow.

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  221. MattJ

    xmmp.org is not registered...

  222. waqas

    I've actually mis-typed that a few times :)