- bear just registered xmmp.org and pointed it's A record to xmpp.org
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waqas
Thanks bear!
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bear
not sure how to get hover to do the dns for web forwards, gladly will point it to our nameserver if that is easier
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ralphm
emcho: did you get a stand, too?
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intosi
bear: I think we can work out the details for DNS. iteam is glad to support it.
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bear
intosi - cool - just let me know what to put as nameservers then
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bear
oh - probably same as xmpptest.com
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bear
i'll change it to ns1.jabber.org now
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bear
ok, I made xmmp.org have the same nameserves as xmpptest.com
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intosi
I'll set something up for it.
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intosi
bear: DNS is set up.
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intosi
-- Checking SOA records of slaves ... xmmp.org: OK
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intosi
Hmm, except that ns3 isn't syncing. I'll chat with Florian to fix that.
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bear
cool
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intosi
We had the same issue with xmpptest.com.
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bear
cool - now xmmp.org should point to xmpp.org
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intosi
It works for me.
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intosi
Best thing: didn't even have to change the nginx config to make it happen.
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bear
yea, gotta love a good nginx config
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bear
good in this case being simple
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dwd
So, lots of good news yesterday, then.
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dwd
Oh, hadn't noticed the xmmp.
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bear
yea, set that up and then read the news from ralph and saw that the forwarded email has XMMP in it :)
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dwd
bear, If you're up, want to Bloggerize the stand?
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bear
sure
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bear
shall i also mention jingle ?
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ralphm
Yeah, I shall have a word with Wynke on that :-D
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dwd
bear, In what sense?
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ralphm
I'd like to know if Jitsi got a stand too
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ralphm
but emcho isn't responding
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dwd
emcho, ICMP_ECHO_REQUEST
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bear
oh, yea misread that - i'll do ours now and another later
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dwd
Two posts is better than one.
- ralphm summons emcho
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intosi
raise Emcho()
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bear
something along the lines of: The XSF is happy to annouce we will again be present at FOSDEM with the Realtime Lounge and a stand" ?
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ralphm
'and a stand'?
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bear
yea, i ran out of words :/
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ralphm
bear: some words: epic, must-see, awesome
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intosi
Interactive, responsive design, standards-compliant?
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ralphm
bear: unique, Jingle, IoT, demos
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bear
http://www.piratepad.ca/p/VCq8kVvwUa
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ralphm
bear: hah, no
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bear
no?
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ralphm
bear: you are drafting, we are giving you words you ran out of. Seems like a great deal.
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bear
ah
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bear
one sec
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Kev
Scalable. Secure. World-class. Cutting-Edge. Value-add. Blue-sky.
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Kev
Am I doing this right?
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ralphm
oh, oh, I know: synergy, solutions
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ralphm
and WebRTC of course
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intosi
Kev, ralphm: spot on!
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dwd
If you're struggling, might I suggest we nudge Laura?
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intosi
Toss in high grade encryption, too. It appears to be a popular topic.
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ralphm
dwd: that's a great point
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Kev
Anonymous. Strong identity. Strong authentication. Dialback.
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Kev
bear: Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to get all of these in :p
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bear
oh, man - the voice of reason from dave
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bear
hell no, i'm punting as we have a real wordsmith now ;)
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ralphm
bear: but yeah, drop the 'stand' part
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ralphm
the lounge is the thing
- bear writes a members announcement
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bear
err thingy
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bear
yea, that
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ralphm
we do have tables, of course
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ralphm
but stands are what the other guys do. We're way past that :_D
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bear
:)
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intosi
We did stands 10 years ago, we moved on.
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dwd
Stands are so three years ago.
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bear
ok, request for help sent
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intosi
Still miss our flag. Waves fist at unnamed German guy who kept it.
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dwd
Flag?
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fippo
intosi: ulrich?
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intosi
The table cloth we used
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intosi
fippo: yeah, him :)
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intosi
http://photo.ik.nu/v/fosdem/fosdem_2004/jabber3.jpg.html
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ralphm
I can always order a flag, but as I remember, the space we will be in, is not very helpful in hanging things on walls. But I suppose a table cloth could be done, still.
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fippo
ah, i remember making plan for stealing that flag :-)
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dwd
How about this for the basis of a second t-shirt: http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?client=ubuntu-browser&biw=1200&bih=1509&tbm=isch&tbnid=QO6_PBV7zTImmM:&imgrefurl=http://fortmissoulamuseum.org/WWII/detail.php%3Fid%3D449&docid=IX1zJvAWtJMX3M&imgurl=http://www.fortmissoulamuseum.org/WWII/images/posters/1986.004.439.jpg&w=800&h=1120&ei=lBawUuXyGsOThQeWwYDABg&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:63,s:0,i:278&iact=rc&page=2&tbnh=192&tbnw=137&start=49&ndsp=58&tx=67&ty=81
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intosi
http://photo.ik.nu/v/fosdem/fosdem_2004/jabber1.jpg.html
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intosi
Look at the size of that monitor...
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bear
I have one of those in the basement
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bear
ugh, I really should send it to a recycle center
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ralphm
I am looking at the site I ordered the flag from last time.
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intosi
This one was mine, I gave it away together with the SGI that used to be attached to it.
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ralphm
They also do custom fatboys
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Zash
That sounds like the bomb
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intosi
That's very loungy.
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bear
that sounds like a great sponsor thingy
- bear should really go to bed now
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bear
my word selection is regressing
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ralphm
How many colors?
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dwd
Depends what's on it. What's the cost?
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ralphm
(the Jabber logo has 2, the XMPP logo has 5 (+ shades), Real Time logo has 2. Add 1 for text)
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ralphm
dwd: I don't know, that's why I need to know the number of colors. They don't list prices on the site)
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Kev
I think we should probably just give up on 'Jabber' at this point :/
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ralphm
Kev: it shows you were not present at the summit
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Kev
You think being at the summit would persuade me that we shouldn't?
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ralphm
Well, at the very least there was no consensus against reusing Jabber
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Kev
The trademark's now owned by a company using it to refer to a competing system. I don't see how it's good to keep using it.
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ralphm
I don't see how that matters in practice.
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Kev
"Buyer" confusion.
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ralphm
The Jabber name is still widely regarded to refer to what we do, and they only ones that are going to be confused are the Cisco Marketing people
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Kev
I don't think that's true.
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dwd
Actually the buyer confusion is very much on our side. End users particularly are still very much using the Jabber term for XMPP based IM solutions.
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ralphm
who will ask legal and then find out that we can do what we want with the trademark
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Kev
XMPP (the protocol, not the name) actually has a reasonable amount of penetration, and if we say "You should call it Jabber", the people who want it say "Buy us a Jabber system please", and the purchasers then buy "Cisco Jabber", this is not a good thing for us.
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Kev
ralphm: It's not a question of being able to do what we want with it, it's whether using it is helpful.
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dwd
Kev, XMPP has penetration in terms of technologists and developers.
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Kev
dwd: Yes. So the end users say "Get us a Jabber system", and procurement buy a Cisco Jabber system.
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dwd
Kev, Jabber has penetration as a consumer-grade network.
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fippo
and jabber has penetration in terms of CIOs
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fippo
bear: I think it would help to mention IOT in the announcement as well
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bear
fippo - post that as a reply so i remember - i'm going to go find my bed and crawl into it
- bear waves
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Kev
bear: GN.
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intosi
nn
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emcho
heya
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ralphm
emcho: hey
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ralphm
emcho: did you guys get a stand at FOSDEM as well?
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emcho
yes got it
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emcho
and a lightning talk as well
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ralphm
awesome
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emcho
two tables
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intosi
emcho: good news!
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emcho
right!
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emcho
seems like we'll be able to rebuild last year's RTL
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intosi
If we include the right bytes, it will be LTR
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emcho
or change it of course
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emcho
maybe this year we could do it a bit differently actually
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emcho
last year the loungy area was kind of barred by the tables
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emcho
so it wasn't evident that it was free access
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emcho
(or maybe that was the intention?)
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emcho
so maybe this year we could have the tables at one side and the loungy area at the other
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ralphm
emcho: well, one of the problems is that the area is also a passthrough for people that need to use the elevator
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ralphm
(like weelchairs)
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ralphm
wheel
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emcho
yeah sure, but we wouldn't block it. laste year had this: [wall][--emptyspace--][tables][lounge] what we could try is this: [wall][tables][--emptyspace--][lounge]
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intosi
There's not a lot of wall usable for that. There's the exit of the lecture hall as well.
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emcho
well we could experiment. we are certainly OK with last year's arrangement
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emcho
we could also reverse the tables so that the XSF is seen before jitsi this time
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fippo
we can also stream the xsf table to the jitsi table ,-)
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dwd
Don't cross the streams.
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dwd
Or was that something else?
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intosi
dwd: no, that's for this.
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ralphm
intosi: as far as I remember, that exit should not be used during FOSDEM and we might put a sign to that effect on the inside
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dwd
Rough design of my "Enemy Listening" concept to the list.
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dwd
Nobody has any comments on t-shirt designs? That's got to be a first.
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Zash
Lunch coma
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dwd
The one I'm parodying is here: http://www.fortmissoulamuseum.org/WWII/images/posters/1986.004.439.jpg
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dwd
Ooooh. That thumbnails with Gajim and the right plugins. Purr-tee!
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Zash
http://pics.zash.se/531867ea.jpeg
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Zash
Nice, IP address leakage
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Zash
Mr Dave Cridland
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dwd
Well, yes.
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dwd
So, can't decide between "Encrypt you talk" and "Encrypt your speech". Maybe even "Encrypt for Freedom". Also, I don't like "Don't use silos", I think it's dull.
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dwd
"Secure your server", maybe?
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intosi
Secure your server would be better.
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intosi
Or Encrypt your s2s
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intosi
or comms instead of s2s
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Zash
Secure Your Server sounds pretty good
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dwd
How about that, then?
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MattJ
"I have seen the enemy, and he is us. Secure your server!"
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emcho
"Winter is coming!"
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ralphm
"Encrypt your jabber" would bring out the original meaning of the word :-D
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dwd
Usually, any t-shirt discussions spawn an endless and depressing bikeshed discussion. This year, everyone seems scarily quiet.
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Zash
The calm before the storm?
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ralphm
I blame it on the US being asleep still
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dwd
Ah, they may all be in the STOX interim, I suppose.
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dwd
I want a better word than "encrypt". I'm tempted to use "Encipher", just for the period.
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dwd
What about "Keep that Jabber secret"?
- stpeter is indeed in the STOX interim conference call
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fippo
stpeter: you're in a loop ;-)
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dwd
What sort of numbers of t-shirts do we want this year, BTW?
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Zash
Integer numbers.
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dwd
Sounds rational.
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Zash
Naturally
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ralphm
Get real!
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MattJ
Considering we don't have any actual number to discuss yet, doesn't that make it imaginary?
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dwd
I can't remember how many we got last time I rodered them, which doesn't help.
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MattJ
This is the most productive room I'm in
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ralphm
dwd: that's making things complex
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fippo
stpeter: foundation bug is already noted in http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/User:Fippo#XEP_0176
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ralphm
dwd: what about "Jabber in code"?
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fippo
quick poll: you're allowed to send an <iq/> to a bare jid (even a jingle session-initiate), right?
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ralphm
yes
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MattJ
Sure
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ralphm
but a server must reply on the account's behalf
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MattJ
Right
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Lance
it probably won't do what you want, but you can
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fippo
right. or a stox pstn gateway
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Kev
But if you want servers to handle jingle for you, it's fine.
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fippo
ah, we'll have to discuss that on the stox list
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stpeter
fippo: thanks -- it would indeed be good to fix the bugs in those specs
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fippo
stpeter: yeah... if I only had more time :-/
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stpeter
fippo: yeah, I hear you!
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Kev
Agendawriting time for Council - fippo, are your updated specs ready to go in the inbox?
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stpeter
Kev: I received your email, will reply shortly
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Kev
stpeter: No rush.
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fippo
kev: yeah, i think it's just the html in the inbox that needs to be updated
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fippo
stpeter: heh, I managed to do a thourough review of stox-media in the last 90 minutes at least :-)
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stpeter
:P
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stpeter
brb
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Kev
fippo: Do you have home-rendered versions anywhere?
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Kev
If it's already checked into Git. Saves Peter publishing again.
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fippo
kev: inbox doesn't seem to contain any .html -- https://github.com/fippo/customxeps/tree/gh-pages/extensions has html, too
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Kev
https://github.com/fippo/customxeps/blob/gh-pages/extensions/jingle-sources.html and https://github.com/fippo/customxeps/blob/gh-pages/extensions/jingle-grouping.html ?
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fippo
yes
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Kev
Urgh.
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Lance
http://fippo.github.io/customxeps/extensions/jingle-sources.html
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Kev
https://raw.github.com/fippo/customxeps/gh-pages/extensions/jingle-sources.html doesn't work :(
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Lance
http://fippo.github.io/customxeps/extensions/jingle-grouping.html
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Kev
Ah, ta.
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Kev
Lance: Nothing to do with peptzo, right?
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Lance
No, I haven't had time to write a XEP-80 update proposal
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Lance
still not sure which approach is better
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Zash
Lance: Update with what?
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Lance
Adding current time zone offset
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Zash
Ah
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Lance
I had a proposal to just add that in PEP, but there were comments that it would fit better in GeoLoc
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dwd
I think it does fit there, but logistically it might be easier to split it off.
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fippo
bear: can you bring the sign from http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyet-photos/10370068076/ along, too? :-)
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fippo
http://www.ucstrategies.com/unified-communications-expert-views/business-to-business-uc-collaboration.aspx -- *sigh*
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fippo
"For example, company A, which requires XMPP over TLS connection, can still connect to company B which uses XMPP over TCP with dial-back."
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fippo
that annoys me enough to register even
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bear
do we have numbers and cost info from the last tshirt purchase? I'm asking if &yet can help with some of this and they will need a ballpark figure
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stpeter
bear: I have that information, but it's at the Cisco office and I'm working at home today
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bear
no worries - i'm just gathering data
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stpeter
hmm
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stpeter
reading http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xsf-bylaws/ Section 8.3 (on "Work Teams"), I conclude that we need to actually establish the UPnP Forum liaison team, with a charter and all, so we might be putting the cart before the horse to ask for volunteers at this time
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stpeter
I'll post to the members@ list about it
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fippo
stpeter: did we do that for the jingle work team?
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fippo
(even though that ended up in a different way :-)
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stpeter
not really, so that team is null and void! ;-)
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fippo
poor dwd
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stpeter
message sent to the list
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fippo
the upnp guys are in portland?
-
fippo
(well, depending on the definition of "guys" obviously)
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MattJ
Was UPnP invented in the 90s by any chance?
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Zash
The one that's based on SOAP over HTTP over UDP?
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MattJ
Yes
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stpeter
well, they are all over the world -- I don't think they are "in" any specific place
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ralphm
not just the world, universal!
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stpeter
heehee
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ralphm
but yeah, a consortium
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ralphm
I know people from Philips working on it, while I was there in 2003
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stpeter
maybe the XSF could be located at the geographic center of all its members -- probably somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean :-)
-
MattJ
:)
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Zash
Or under
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stpeter
some would say we're all wet, so sure
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ralphm
good old, design by committee, everyone getting their exceptions and/or IP in
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stpeter
yep, most SDOs are like that, it seems
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stpeter
yay, got down below 9000 messages in my inbox ;-)
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stpeter
something to do over the holidays...
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waqas
stpeter: Weren't you at inbox zero at some point?
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stpeter
at some point
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stpeter
it happens once in a while
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stpeter
and then it explodes
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ralphm
do mailinglist posts count?
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stpeter
ralphm: I don't differentiate
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ralphm
stpeter: oh
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waqas
Mailing list posts are auto-labelled and don't go in my inbox. I have most emails auto-labelled.
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stpeter
BTW it seems that Joe Hildebrand might be at FOSDEM for sure, so we could still hold meetings at the Cisco offices even if I'm not able to travel
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ralphm
woot
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ralphm
go hildjj
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Zash
aha
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stpeter
should know soon if that will pan out
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Zash
"might .. for sure" :D
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stpeter
he said so yesterday, but I want to verify
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Zash
"60% of the time, it works every time"
-
stpeter
but yes, a poorly constructed sentence, that was
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ralphm
I have 971 unread messages on standards@
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ralphm
maybe I should give up on those
-
ralphm
some go back to 2010 :-D
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stpeter
:/
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Zash
"Mark as read" is your friend
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bear
getting info on fosdem is great news - i've been trying to keep the two events raised at work so they know what is coming
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ralphm
I'd love to see a bunch of &yetis
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bear
with two events it would be tough to have a large showing, but each event has it's own sales/tech reasons - i'm gathering data for both to make the pitch
- stpeter nods
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stpeter
thanks, bear!
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stpeter
bbiaw