XSF Discussion - 2014-01-06

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  38. Kev

    Are we closer to a plan for Brussels yet?

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  40. ralphm

    Kev: my holiday is over now. I'm going to pick things up now.

  41. Kev


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  55. ralphm summons Florian

  56. dwd inscribes pentagram on the floor, starts chanting something about XEP-0045§7.8

  57. ralphm

    dwd: by the way, I did get confirmation about access to the gear from Jérôme

  58. dwd

    Oh, good news.

  59. ralphm

    i.e. he will be in on Friday

  60. ralphm

    I also want to order bean bags

  61. ralphm

    But, how many, what size and what print?

  62. dwd

    Remind me about prices?

  63. ralphm

    I was thinking 3 of them. Possibly 140x180, or 140x140.

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  65. admin

    oh hai giiis

  66. dwd

    admin, Good nickname, there.

  67. admin

    /nickname FloJo

  68. admin

    or not :)

  69. dwd

    admin, So, can you do the hotel and dinner (and the Message Bus)?

  70. ralphm

    €170 or €130 (ex 21% VAT) full color

  71. admin

    I can definitely try

  72. admin

    however, I won't be attending the summit, but will come on Friday evening

  73. admin

    for the Beer Event

  74. ralphm


  75. ralphm

    This is unacceptable.

  76. admin

    I'll be there for the Realtime Lounge

  77. admin

    also … the person getting the Hotel better get a great deal

  78. admin

    as I'm staying there too

  79. admin

    oh … wait ...

  80. ralphm

    admin: agreed. Make it so, #1.

  81. admin

    who's attending anyways

  82. admin

    checked the Wiki last night … only 3 people

  83. ralphm

    Hmm, let me edit that page.

  84. ralphm

    We'll try to fix an announcement today, so it should fill up.

  85. dwd

    admin, We can probably assume the same hotel, but see what kind of deals you can get.

  86. admin


  87. admin

    I'll hustle some stuff

  88. admin

    however, if someone would be able to help with dinner sponsors

  89. admin

    that would be great

  90. dwd

    admin, Yeah, I appreciate you don't have the time for that these days.

  91. admin


  92. Kev

    I anticipate there'll probably be an Isode contingent coming, but can't finalise anything until there's definitely a summit to attend.

  93. admin

    if only a certain company would be able to launch in the country of beer … it would be a different story

  94. admin

    is Cisco happening ?

  95. dwd

    admin, They're launched in the UK, aren't they?

  96. admin

    they are

  97. dwd

    Or did you mean some other country of beer?

  98. admin

    hahhaha, funny

  99. ralphm

    Kev: dwd and I just decided we will have the summit on the given dates and will make it happen.

  100. Kev

    OK, thanks. Could an announcement go out then, please, with whatever's set at this stage (just the date and city, I guess).

  101. Kev

    Hopefully we'll get a deal on the hotel, and booking that later will be less of a problem, but people will need to get travel sorted.

  102. dwd

    Right, I'll send something to the usual lists now, encouraging people to sign up if they want in on the hotel block deal.

  103. dwd

    admin, I'm assuming if we have commitments to N rooms we can get a better deal?

  104. dwd

    Crap. WHat number summit is this?

  105. dwd


  106. admin

    yeah, more rooms = cheaper rooms

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  110. ralphm

    dwd: I updated the Summit_15 and FOSDEM_2014 wiki pages.

  111. dwd

    Kev, Given the lack of Peter, would you be up for chairing the Summit itself?

  112. ralphm

    dwd: let's specifically request people to edit the wiki or respond to the request for participation on the summit list

  113. dwd

    If you have not done so, please "sign up" on http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summit_15 if you're coming, and we'll ensure that there's a hotel room available for you. We need to know numbers ASAP, partly to ensure we have sufficient space in the hotel, and partly to ensure we get the best deal we possibly can. When you sign up, if you need a hotel room, please put "(H)" after your name if you want a room.

  114. dwd

    Actually, let me paste the lot.

  115. dwd

    Folks, In case you've not seen the previous discussions: We're holding the next XMPP Summit - the 15th - at the end of this month. As usual, sorting out hotels and things is a last minute rush because of Christmas - sorry! If you have not done so, please "sign up" on http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summit_15 if you're coming, and we'll ensure that there's a hotel room available for you. We need to know numbers ASAP, partly to ensure we have sufficient space in the hotel, and partly to ensure we get the best deal we possibly can. When you sign up, if you need a hotel room, please put "(H)" after your name if you want a room. We're likely to end up back in the Aloft in Brussels if we can get a sufficiently good deal. Dave.

  116. dwd

    Subject line is: XMPP Summit XV - Brussels, 2014/01/30 - 2014/01/31

  117. ralphm

    We should also mention FOSDEM itself

  118. ralphm

    because we need demos and things and people

  119. ralphm

    (and people probably want a room to cover those dates as well)

  120. ralphm

    Looking good otherwise.

  121. intosi

    Magick, my name is already on the list of participants.

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  123. ralphm

    You have no choice.

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  126. ralphm

    neither does dwd

  127. kevin.


  128. kevin.

    hows the idea of creating a facebook app for jabber? i'm sure we will get million users from fb.

  129. ralphm

    dwd: what's that (H)?

  130. ralphm


  131. kevin.

    with some modifications ofcourse

  132. dwd

    ( H )

  133. ralphm


  134. dwd

    Damn you, auto-smilie.

  135. Kev

    dwd: I'm a poor substitute for Peter, but I can try this, yes. Assuming you're meaning just the bit while we're there, and not much organisation in the run-up.

  136. dwd

    Kev, It'd be nice to assemble an agenda of sorts.

  137. Kev

    OK. Let me TODO myself.

  138. ralphm

    Otherwise, I'll take it

  139. Kev

    (I note that we usually end up mostly sorting out an agenda once we're there)

  140. dwd

    Kev, But we'll sort out venue, etc.

  141. dwd

    Kev, Yes. But having high-level goals at least would be nice.

  142. Kev


  143. Kev

    It's in my todo inbox. I'll file it appropriately later.

  144. Kev

    Currently trying to work out how many of Isode will be taking over the place.

  145. Kev

    I expect three or four, but need to confirm.

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  147. dwd

    kevin., Sorry, nobody replied to you - you probably want to discuss that somewhere else. This chatroom is specifically for the XMPP Standards Foundation work, which isn't really directed to any particular bit of software.

  148. dwd

    Kev, I assume Kurt won't miss the beer^Wdiscussion.

  149. intosi

    I assumed Kev would discuss this in a different room ;)

  150. dwd

    Remembered to hit send.

  151. dwd

    Oh. That's caused a bit of a surge in attendees.

  152. ralphm


  153. Kev

    Thanks for sorting this out chaps, things were getting a bit desperate with timing.

  154. ralphm

    only minor things to be taken care of now

  155. Kev

    Well, yes, I realise everything is still to be done.

  156. ralphm

    like hotel, summit venue, stuff like that

  157. Kev

    But just the announcement that there will definitely be one, and the days, means people can book travel.

  158. ralphm


  159. ralphm

    I don't know why we didn't do that before xmas

  160. ralphm

    I fixed the date months ago, and then *some people* started rambling about IETF London.

  161. Kev

    At which I hope we'll still sort something out :)

  162. Kev

    And by 'we' I mean 'someone else'.

  163. Kev

    Even if it's just coinciding with another XMPP London thing.

  164. ralphm

    Yeah, I think that'd be good.

  165. Kev

    London is still somewhat inconvenient for me, but much less so than leaving the island :)

  166. dwd

    Wales is an island, too, isn't it? We have to cross the water to England, after all.

  167. Kev

    I have no response to that gets by my sarcasm filter.

  168. Kev

    Which tells you all you need to know.

  169. Kev

    s/that/that that/

  170. dwd

    I have no response to that that that that that that OVERFLOW ERROR

  171. intosi

    There was no g flag, dwd.

  172. dwd

    intosi, That that that?

  173. ralphm

    Hmm, since there's still some time, I think I am going to order a Mobile Vikings Sim.

  174. intosi

    How much are they?

  175. dwd

    ralphm, I can't decide whether to go for that (meaning I need to unlock a device, with associate cost), or just spent €20 or so in roaming fees.

  176. ralphm

    dwd: for my tablet

  177. dwd

    Oh, or I could buy a new unlocked phone. That'd please my wife no end.

  178. ralphm

    intosi: https://mobilevikings.com/bel/

  179. jabberjocke

    Good to see the summit XV defined I'lle try to add an extra day for the summit any more than me and steffen on the agenda :)

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  181. jabberjocke

    would google summer of code be a good topic?

  182. intosi

    ralphm: do you have a shipping address in Belgium? Didn't know that.

  183. ralphm

    intosi: I think they ship cross border

  184. dwd

    Last FOSDEM or two, they shipped to hotels.

  185. intosi

    """We only ship our SIM cards within Belgium."""

  186. dwd

    admin, Didn't you have a contact or $N at Mobile Vikings? Could you sort us out SIMs?

  187. admin

    not really

  188. admin

    they're sadly no longer a cool company

  189. admin

    also, anyone have any advice on this

  190. admin


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  193. Kev

    jabberjocke: I think a GSoC chat might be quite useful, actually.

  194. Kev

    We've never really chatted about it as a group at large, what we get out of it, etc.

  195. intosi

    admin: did you try using regular expressions instead?

  196. intosi


  197. dwd

    admin, That question's a joke, right?

  198. admin

    does that work in PostgreSQL?

  199. admin

    and no :(

  200. intosi

    dwd: I can only assume it's not a joke ;)

  201. dwd

    admin, Why on earth are you storing JSON as strings in SQL?

  202. ralphm

    admin: I think the answer is: upgrade to 9.3.

  203. ralphm


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  205. Zash

    dwd: That's how Prosody stores stuff in SQL ...

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  208. admin

    PostgreSQL 9.2.6 on x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, compiled by gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) 4.6.3, 64-bit

  209. dwd

    Zash, Really? Weird.

  210. admin

    so sadly not an option :/

  211. ralphm

    admin: I thought you were the admin. By bad.

  212. Zash

    dwd: How else would we store arbitrary data that we don't know the format of beforehand?

  213. ralphm

    My bad, even.

  214. dwd

    Zash, ACAP. We already had this discussion. :-)

  215. Kev

    dwd: Not as weird as my tendency to boost::serialize objects, and store those as strings in sqlite :)

  216. dwd

    Kev, Do you then store the sqlite databases as binary attributes in X.500?

  217. ralphm

    admin: in any other case, you will fail. Note that the very example has a list of objects. So there could be multiples.

  218. admin

    there's only 1 amount in there

  219. admin

    at least in these examples

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  221. intosi

    So again, if you can't be bothered to normalise to proper SQL tables, can't upgrade to a version with JSON support, and can't figure it out in the language you're feeding this into, try the regexp_replace function.

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  223. admin

    intosi: but that would require me having paid attention during my uni years when people were talking about regex :/

  224. intosi

    Now is as good a time to learn how to use them as any :)

  225. dwd

    admin, s/when.*$//

  226. intosi

    dwd: :)

  227. ralphm

    admin: or let an intern do it for you

  228. admin


  229. dwd

    ralphm, Wait, he's *not* the intern?

  230. ralphm

    admin: regarding Mobile Vikings not being cool, any recommendations on alternatives?

  231. ralphm

    dwd: he's the admin

  232. ralphm

    dwd: maybe the PFY

  233. intosi

    PFY without the pimples?

  234. ralphm

    I haven't seen him in a while

  235. intosi

    Fair enough

  236. admin

    yeah, so this doesn't work either :/

  237. admin

    regexp_replace(data, '"amount":"\d{1,3}"'),

  238. dwd

    admin, Every time you knock €5 off the hotel price we'll help you a bit more.

  239. admin


  240. admin

    I guess the question is … how often do you need to help … will I have to pay you to attend the summit? :p

  241. intosi

    admin: that would be grand.

  242. intosi

    As a bonus, we might even add your name to the list of sponsors.

  243. admin

    substring(fare_adjustments from '(?:"amount": ")([\d\.]*)'),

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  246. MattJ

    I don't think I can make FOSDEM this year :/

  247. ralphm

    MattJ: unacceptable

  248. waqas

    MattJ was too depressed at the thought of me not being there this year

  249. ralphm

    but I'll be there!

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  251. ralphm

    If anyone else is ordering Mobile Viking sims, be sure to refer the ones that went before you (wink, wink, nudge, nudge). intosi and I will be happy to extend our dedicated e-mail addresses used for that.

  252. Kev

    I don't think Belgium is one of the countries I can roam to for free, but I should check. Would be nice to have data on my own network.

  253. intosi

    Now I need a SIM wallet.

  254. ralphm

    intosi: I always use some tape and the original card around the sim (which together are really a full-size sim)

  255. Zash

    Just get more phones

  256. intosi

    I have a small card for my UK SIM, fits nicely in my Oyster card fold.

  257. ralphm

    I use my RFID Safe for my Clipper Card

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  259. dwd

    Kev, It's not on Three's Feel At Home deal.

  260. Kev


  261. dwd

    Kev, It is, though, on their Europass thing.

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  280. dwd

    stpeter, Do you have good contacts with the Meetecho guys?

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  285. fippo

    does someone recall the room rate we got last year?

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  288. dwd

    Nacht 30 & 31 januari 2013 160 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen 170 € per dubbele kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen Nacht 01 & 02 februari 2013 75 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen 85 € per dubbele kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen

  289. fippo

    perfect, thanks.

  290. dwd

    That was based around 10 single rooms, by the looks of things.

  291. dwd

    admin, We're expecting better this year...

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