XSF Discussion - 2014-01-06

Are we closer to a plan for Brussels yet?

Kev: my holiday is over now. I'm going to pick things up now.

Fab.

Yes.

dwd: by the way, I did get confirmation about access to the gear from Jérôme

Oh, good news.

i.e. he will be in on Friday

I also want to order bean bags

But, how many, what size and what print?

Remind me about prices?

I was thinking 3 of them. Possibly 140x180, or 140x140.

oh hai giiis

admin, Good nickname, there.

/nickname FloJo

or not :)

admin, So, can you do the hotel and dinner (and the Message Bus)?

€170 or €130 (ex 21% VAT) full color

I can definitely try

however, I won't be attending the summit, but will come on Friday evening

for the Beer Event

what!

This is unacceptable.

I'll be there for the Realtime Lounge

also … the person getting the Hotel better get a great deal

as I'm staying there too

oh … wait ...

admin: agreed. Make it so, #1.

who's attending anyways

checked the Wiki last night … only 3 people

Hmm, let me edit that page.

We'll try to fix an announcement today, so it should fill up.

admin, We can probably assume the same hotel, but see what kind of deals you can get.

yeah

I'll hustle some stuff

however, if someone would be able to help with dinner sponsors

that would be great

admin, Yeah, I appreciate you don't have the time for that these days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isHm3gnHjto

I anticipate there'll probably be an Isode contingent coming, but can't finalise anything until there's definitely a summit to attend.

if only a certain company would be able to launch in the country of beer … it would be a different story

is Cisco happening ?

admin, They're launched in the UK, aren't they?

they are

Or did you mean some other country of beer?

hahhaha, funny

Kev: dwd and I just decided we will have the summit on the given dates and will make it happen.

OK, thanks. Could an announcement go out then, please, with whatever's set at this stage (just the date and city, I guess).

Hopefully we'll get a deal on the hotel, and booking that later will be less of a problem, but people will need to get travel sorted.

Right, I'll send something to the usual lists now, encouraging people to sign up if they want in on the hotel block deal.

admin, I'm assuming if we have commitments to N rooms we can get a better deal?

Crap. WHat number summit is this?

15.

yeah, more rooms = cheaper rooms

dwd: I updated the Summit_15 and FOSDEM_2014 wiki pages.

Kev, Given the lack of Peter, would you be up for chairing the Summit itself?

dwd: let's specifically request people to edit the wiki or respond to the request for participation on the summit list

If you have not done so, please "sign up" on http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summit_15 if you're coming, and we'll ensure that there's a hotel room available for you. We need to know numbers ASAP, partly to ensure we have sufficient space in the hotel, and partly to ensure we get the best deal we possibly can. When you sign up, if you need a hotel room, please put "(H)" after your name if you want a room.

Actually, let me paste the lot.

Folks, In case you've not seen the previous discussions: We're holding the next XMPP Summit - the 15th - at the end of this month. As usual, sorting out hotels and things is a last minute rush because of Christmas - sorry! If you have not done so, please "sign up" on http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summit_15 if you're coming, and we'll ensure that there's a hotel room available for you. We need to know numbers ASAP, partly to ensure we have sufficient space in the hotel, and partly to ensure we get the best deal we possibly can. When you sign up, if you need a hotel room, please put "(H)" after your name if you want a room. We're likely to end up back in the Aloft in Brussels if we can get a sufficiently good deal. Dave.

Subject line is: XMPP Summit XV - Brussels, 2014/01/30 - 2014/01/31

We should also mention FOSDEM itself

because we need demos and things and people

(and people probably want a room to cover those dates as well)

Looking good otherwise.

Magick, my name is already on the list of participants.

:-D

You have no choice.

Excellent.

neither does dwd

guys

hows the idea of creating a facebook app for jabber? i'm sure we will get million users from fb.

dwd: what's that (H)?

hotel?

with some modifications ofcourse

( H )

ah

Damn you, auto-smilie.

dwd: I'm a poor substitute for Peter, but I can try this, yes. Assuming you're meaning just the bit while we're there, and not much organisation in the run-up.

Kev, It'd be nice to assemble an agenda of sorts.

OK. Let me TODO myself.

Otherwise, I'll take it

(I note that we usually end up mostly sorting out an agenda once we're there)

Kev, But we'll sort out venue, etc.

Kev, Yes. But having high-level goals at least would be nice.

Indeed.

It's in my todo inbox. I'll file it appropriately later.

Currently trying to work out how many of Isode will be taking over the place.

I expect three or four, but need to confirm.

kevin., Sorry, nobody replied to you - you probably want to discuss that somewhere else. This chatroom is specifically for the XMPP Standards Foundation work, which isn't really directed to any particular bit of software.

Kev, I assume Kurt won't miss the beer^Wdiscussion.

I assumed Kev would discuss this in a different room ;)

Remembered to hit send.

Oh. That's caused a bit of a surge in attendees.

:-D

Thanks for sorting this out chaps, things were getting a bit desperate with timing.

only minor things to be taken care of now

Well, yes, I realise everything is still to be done.

like hotel, summit venue, stuff like that

But just the announcement that there will definitely be one, and the days, means people can book travel.

:-D

I don't know why we didn't do that before xmas

I fixed the date months ago, and then *some people* started rambling about IETF London.

At which I hope we'll still sort something out :)

And by 'we' I mean 'someone else'.

Even if it's just coinciding with another XMPP London thing.

Yeah, I think that'd be good.

London is still somewhat inconvenient for me, but much less so than leaving the island :)

Wales is an island, too, isn't it? We have to cross the water to England, after all.

I have no response to that gets by my sarcasm filter.

Which tells you all you need to know.

s/that/that that/

I have no response to that that that that that that OVERFLOW ERROR

There was no g flag, dwd.

intosi, That that that?

Hmm, since there's still some time, I think I am going to order a Mobile Vikings Sim.

How much are they?

ralphm, I can't decide whether to go for that (meaning I need to unlock a device, with associate cost), or just spent €20 or so in roaming fees.

dwd: for my tablet

Oh, or I could buy a new unlocked phone. That'd please my wife no end.

intosi: https://mobilevikings.com/bel/

Good to see the summit XV defined I'lle try to add an extra day for the summit any more than me and steffen on the agenda :)

would google summer of code be a good topic?

ralphm: do you have a shipping address in Belgium? Didn't know that.

intosi: I think they ship cross border

Last FOSDEM or two, they shipped to hotels.

"""We only ship our SIM cards within Belgium."""

admin, Didn't you have a contact or $N at Mobile Vikings? Could you sort us out SIMs?

not really

they're sadly no longer a cool company

also, anyone have any advice on this

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20952154/using-substring-to-get-a-json-value-in-postgresql

jabberjocke: I think a GSoC chat might be quite useful, actually.

We've never really chatted about it as a group at large, what we get out of it, etc.

admin: did you try using regular expressions instead?

regexp_replace

admin, That question's a joke, right?

does that work in PostgreSQL?

and no :(

dwd: I can only assume it's not a joke ;)

admin, Why on earth are you storing JSON as strings in SQL?

admin: I think the answer is: upgrade to 9.3.

http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/functions-json.html

dwd: That's how Prosody stores stuff in SQL ...

PostgreSQL 9.2.6 on x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, compiled by gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) 4.6.3, 64-bit

Zash, Really? Weird.

so sadly not an option :/

admin: I thought you were the admin. By bad.

dwd: How else would we store arbitrary data that we don't know the format of beforehand?

My bad, even.

Zash, ACAP. We already had this discussion. :-)

dwd: Not as weird as my tendency to boost::serialize objects, and store those as strings in sqlite :)

Kev, Do you then store the sqlite databases as binary attributes in X.500?

admin: in any other case, you will fail. Note that the very example has a list of objects. So there could be multiples.

there's only 1 amount in there

at least in these examples

So again, if you can't be bothered to normalise to proper SQL tables, can't upgrade to a version with JSON support, and can't figure it out in the language you're feeding this into, try the regexp_replace function.

intosi: but that would require me having paid attention during my uni years when people were talking about regex :/

Now is as good a time to learn how to use them as any :)

admin, s/when.*$//

dwd: :)

admin: or let an intern do it for you

hahaha

ralphm, Wait, he's *not* the intern?

admin: regarding Mobile Vikings not being cool, any recommendations on alternatives?

dwd: he's the admin

dwd: maybe the PFY

PFY without the pimples?

I haven't seen him in a while

Fair enough

yeah, so this doesn't work either :/

regexp_replace(data, '"amount":"\d{1,3}"'),

admin, Every time you knock €5 off the hotel price we'll help you a bit more.

hahaha

I guess the question is … how often do you need to help … will I have to pay you to attend the summit? :p

admin: that would be grand.

As a bonus, we might even add your name to the list of sponsors.

substring(fare_adjustments from '(?:"amount": ")([\d\.]*)'),

#boom

I don't think I can make FOSDEM this year :/

MattJ: unacceptable

MattJ was too depressed at the thought of me not being there this year

but I'll be there!

If anyone else is ordering Mobile Viking sims, be sure to refer the ones that went before you (wink, wink, nudge, nudge). intosi and I will be happy to extend our dedicated e-mail addresses used for that.

I don't think Belgium is one of the countries I can roam to for free, but I should check. Would be nice to have data on my own network.

Now I need a SIM wallet.

intosi: I always use some tape and the original card around the sim (which together are really a full-size sim)

Just get more phones

I have a small card for my UK SIM, fits nicely in my Oyster card fold.

I use my RFID Safe for my Clipper Card

Kev, It's not on Three's Feel At Home deal.

Shame.

Kev, It is, though, on their Europass thing.

stpeter, Do you have good contacts with the Meetecho guys?

does someone recall the room rate we got last year?

Nacht 30 & 31 januari 2013 160 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen 170 € per dubbele kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen Nacht 01 & 02 februari 2013 75 € per single kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen 85 € per dubbele kamer per nacht, inclusief ontbijt en taksen

perfect, thanks.

That was based around 10 single rooms, by the looks of things.

admin, We're expecting better this year...