XSF Discussion - 2014-02-05

  1. dwd

    "During a security review, we found that LibraryThing suffered a data breach in November 2011."

  2. ralphm


  3. ralphm

    Board Meeting in 6 min.

  4. ralphm

    However, dwd is likely to be slightly late

  5. ralphm

    No sign of Laura or Bear so far.

  6. stpeter

    I know for a fact that Bear's internet is down (ice storm in Philadelphia)

  7. ralphm

    What, no redundancy?

  8. stpeter


  9. stpeter

    ice storms can wreak havoc

  10. Simon

    I'm here.

  11. ralphm

    We have no quorum yet

  12. ralphm

    So I'll wait for dwd to come back at least

  13. Simon

    board meetings are a nice distraction from zone file and secondary DNS propagation debugging.

  14. stpeter


  15. ralphm

    Simon: awesome

  16. dwd

    Back, just give me a minute to get settled.

  17. dwd

    Just walked in through the door.

  18. ralphm

    dwd: no worries

  19. intosi

    [non-XSF] stpeter: any idea when Jerry will be able to kick hermes2?

  20. stpeter

    intosi, no but I'll ping him

  21. dwd


  22. ralphm

    0. Opening

  23. ralphm


  24. intosi

    stpeter: ta

  25. ralphm

    Bear is excused for his absense by Act of God.

  26. ralphm

    Agenda items.

  27. ralphm

    Summit/FOSDEM recap

  28. ralphm

    Simon, dwd: any other items?

  29. ralphm

    stpeter maybe?

  30. Simon

    Summit recap is all i have on my list for today.

  31. Lloyd

    Laura sends apologies, interview running long, will be along ASAP

  32. dwd

    We probably need to get on with Boring Things.

  33. Simon

    I expect next week we'll have more non summit things to talk about.

  34. ralphm

    Lloyd: is that worth waiting on?

  35. dwd

    We've a potential sponsor, we should sort out the membership applications.

  36. ralphm

    I seem to only have Alex on jabber.org, which is down at the moment.

  37. ralphm

    1. XMPP Summit 15 / FOSDEM recap

  38. Lloyd

    raplhm, trying to find out, if you have enough people I'd say carry on.

  39. ralphm

    First off, that was a blast.

  40. dwd

    I agree. I thought it went amazingly well.

  41. ralphm

    The Summit was very productive, and we have had a good audience and presence at FOSDEM with the Realtime Lounge.

  42. ralphm

    I'm still collecting some pictures on the Google Plus event page, and will likely make a nice little video from them

  43. dwd

    Yes, and we drew some new faces and had fun.

  44. ralphm

    So I'd like to thank everyone involved, again!

  45. ralphm

    Then onto the less entertaining bits: finances

  46. stpeter

    yes, thanks to everyone!

  47. dwd

    Given you led the FOSDEM side, I'll join you in thanking yourself.

  48. Simon

    FOSDEM was good. And fun. Things that would have helped… a) nobody knew where the realtime lounge was - (we could have some events there or something to get it onto a program for next year). b) there was no signage.

  49. ralphm

    dwd: hah!

  50. ralphm

    Simon: agreed

  51. dwd

    Simon, Sure. It might be worth making a note of the things we think would have made it better now, actually.

  52. ralphm

    We did bring some gear to make signs, but simply didn't get around to work on them

  53. Simon

    (annecdote: overheard someone asking for "the difinitive XMPP guide at the oreilly stand - said hello and that he should come and talk to the author at the realtime longe. His response - I've never heard of that"

  54. dwd

    I mean, not in this meeting, but in this time period.

  55. ralphm

    dwd: yes

  56. ralphm

    For next year, I'll make it explicit with the FOSDEM people to put us in all materials as such at least.

  57. dwd

    We tend to try and think of what to do in the third or fourth week of January, rather than properly doing a post-mortem when it's fresh.

  58. Simon

    Summit was also good. I feel very happy about the progress made to address posts like Ge0rG's

  59. Simon

    (on mobile)

  60. Kev

    I'd suggest the best way to make sure you notice as the time comes is to start the 2015 wiki page now.

  61. ralphm

    We've earned additional credits for cleaning up after another project that shall remain nameless here.

  62. Kev

    Unless you have more faith your ability to remember stuff than I have in mine :)

  63. dwd

    Simon, Yes, that too. I always fear that a Summit can easily denegerate into rather vague discussions, but Kev kept us very much on track.

  64. ralphm

    Kev: well, we did have a checklist from last year, and largely worked from it, we can just amend it

  65. ralphm


  66. dwd

    ralphm, How do you solve a problem like ...?

  67. Kev

    ralphm: I accept you may be more organised than me :)

  68. ralphm

    Kev: well, we did eventually not settle on the swag

  69. intosi

    We did manage to sell a considerable amount of the old T-shirts.

  70. dwd

    Which was my fault, really.

  71. ralphm

    dwd: no worries, we had a lot of stuff to cover

  72. Simon

    props to DWD's selling skills. He should sell used cars next.

  73. Simon

    if the whole protocol thingy doesn't work out.

  74. dwd

    Simon, Well, we sold only 36 t-shirts. I don't think I can build a career on that.

  75. dwd

    Sorry, 37.

  76. intosi

    Xtensive Motor Paypment Plan

  77. Zash


  78. ralphm

    Oh, and of course the IoT demo by Joachim should get high praise.

  79. dwd

    Indeed. That was an easy draw to get people discussing XMPP.

  80. ralphm

    That drew literally hundreds of people

  81. dwd

    Which, after all, is the point of the stand/lounge.

  82. ralphm


  83. ralphm

    One take-away from that was that most visitors, that were all pretty technical, don't know Jabber/XMPP beyond chat.

  84. ralphm

    at all

  85. dwd

    And several didn't see it as more than an AOL/MSN replacement, rather than the federated aspects or the V/VOIP.

  86. ralphm

    So we have to work on our story

  87. ralphm

    As dicussed at the Summit, there are already a bunch of action items on that.

  88. dwd


  89. Simon

    indeed - many don't even know what federation is.

  90. ralphm

    Ok, anything else worth mentioning at this point, board-wise, before moving on to dwd's awesome spreadsheet?

  91. dwd

    Simon, See, if I fail at this protocol stuff, I have my rusimentary book-keeping skillz.

  92. ralphm

    that go with the car-salesman

  93. dwd

    This is true. Shall I open that spreadsheet now, and post a link?

  94. stpeter

    I might have an AOB for the end of the meeting

  95. ralphm

    dwd: yes please

  96. Simon


  97. ralphm

    stpeter: ok

  98. dwd


  99. dwd

    Can a non-boardy person check that link works?

  100. Kev

    It does.

  101. intosi

    It does

  102. dwd

    Also, pheer my accounting skillz. But don't show a real acocuntant, as they'll note that it's not double-entry - really, the XSF should have a general ledger column.

  103. dwd


  104. dwd

    It has comments, but the key is that on the bottom 3 rightmost cells, is the overall figure.

  105. dwd

    Which is a loss.

  106. stpeter

    dwd: thanks for the spreadsheet!

  107. Kev

    dwd: That's a loss for the whole of the summit+FOSDEM, but that was expected, I think? As in - no money was raised for the beanbags et al.

  108. ralphm

    Kev: yes

  109. ralphm

    except for one bag now

  110. dwd

    Kev, Right - in fact &Yet have paid for the Realtime Beanbag.

  111. Kev

    Which isn't on the spreadsheet?

  112. dwd

    Kev, But the XSF Dinner sponsorship basically paid for all the food at the Summit as well as the dinner and transport.

  113. ralphm

    Kev: in the notes

  114. ralphm

    (in the &yet column)

  115. dwd

    Kev, It is, it's considered part of their offer. Comments reveal the breakdown.

  116. Kev


  117. stpeter

    BTW, we've never really had "expense reports" since I've always been shelling out the money, but I think we can work that out with proper receipts and such

  118. dwd

    The position is essentially that the XSF curently owes Ralph and I, and a few sponsors need an invoice.

  119. Kev

    I find this spreadsheet quite informative, so thanks for sharing.

  120. ralphm

    stpeter: I have receipts for all items. Who do I send them to?

  121. dwd

    One informative thing is that - rather stupidly, actually - I ended up with the cash. Since it's Euros, it'd have been much more sensible to have Ralph take that. :-)

  122. stpeter

    ralphm: I think you would scan them in and send them to the board@ list (which is what I've always done)

  123. ralphm

    stpeter: ack

  124. ralphm

    dwd: eh, yeah

  125. fippo

    dwd: I wondered why you wanted cash... ;-)

  126. stpeter

    dwd: indeed

  127. ralphm

    dwd: I didn't actually think that through

  128. dwd

    stpeter, Similarly I've the Dinner receipt, though not any receipt for the tip.

  129. dwd

    ralphm, No, nor did I.

  130. stpeter

    dwd: in the past, I have taken the cash (if any) and changed it upon return to the States, then put it back in our bank account

  131. dwd

    ralphm, Now, if only we had a Treasurer, we could get paid.

  132. ralphm

    dwd: I was assuming that's you really

  133. stpeter

    right, we do lack a real Treasurer

  134. stpeter

    and have for years

  135. Tobias

    the last one was jack, no?

  136. stpeter

    but that's out of scope for today's meeting, I think :-)

  137. ralphm

    stpeter: let's put it on next weeks agenda

  138. stpeter

    even Jack was never established properly as the Treasuruer with bank access and such

  139. Tobias


  140. ralphm

    stpeter: so I'll guess that's just you now, right?

  141. stpeter


  142. dwd

    Anyway, would the Board like to approve that spreadsheet at this point?

  143. ralphm

    I looks good to me

  144. Simon

    happy to approve.

  145. ralphm

    dwd: are any mutations expected?

  146. dwd

    I don't know of any pending changes.

  147. ralphm

    I assume you haven't actually gotten all donations yet

  148. dwd

    I don't know if Bear's finished his changes, but I think so.

  149. ralphm

    I wonder if it would be more cost-effective to have not route some of that through the US

  150. dwd

    ralphm, No, the XSF needs to invoice the remaining amounts.

  151. ralphm

    e.g. having a in-EU transfer to me from isode

  152. stpeter

    ralphm: perhaps

  153. dwd

    Yeah... I can discuss that with Isode if you like.

  154. ralphm

    knowing that US money transfers are crazy expensive

  155. ralphm

    I don't want to sponsor the banks if not needed

  156. ralphm


  157. ralphm

    anything else?

  158. stpeter

    couldn't we use the obscure and never-documented Instant Money (IM) extensions to XMPP?

  159. ralphm

    stpeter: sure

  160. dwd

    stpeter, They turn out to be troublesome to oeprate. Many start-ups have tried.

  161. ralphm

    2. Sponsors

  162. ralphm

    dwd: go

  163. dwd

    We have at least one interested sponsor, possibly two. One is ready for some formal instructions on how to proceed.

  164. stpeter

    that reminds me, I need to read Laura's draft of a post about ISOC

  165. ralphm

    stpeter: how does this usually work?

  166. stpeter

    dwd: what I've done is invoice the sponsor and work with them on text for their sponsor page, including images

  167. ralphm

    dwd: are you taking this on?

  168. dwd

    Can do. Do we have vaguely official invoice type stuff, and I'll sort the lot?

  169. stpeter

    dwd: I can send you samples of what I've generated in the past

  170. ralphm


  171. dwd

    ALso, FTR, I've confirmed with Isode that they can pay the money direct to Ralph in €.

  172. stpeter

    I'll just send them to the board@ list for general perusal

  173. dwd

    stpeter, Sounds good.

  174. stpeter

    often I have found that we need to write the sponsor page text

  175. stpeter

    in fact that might be better so it is more descriptive than laudatory

  176. ralphm

    Simon: are you and Laura also taking on those pages?

  177. stpeter

    speaking of sponsors, I think it would be appropriate at this point to remove Google from the list of sponsors (their last donation was a long long time ago)

  178. dwd

    stpeter, We remove the sponsor once we finish spending their money, right?

  179. ralphm

    stpeter: have we solicited Google for another donation?

  180. stpeter

    ralphm: I have not

  181. ralphm

    even though they are moving away from XMPP in their Hangouts stuff, it seems to still be a thing in other areas

  182. stpeter


  183. ralphm

    (devices, GCM)

  184. fippo

    if I'd get paid for any bug i reported while mapping the webrtc sdp to jingle and vice versa... :-)

  185. dwd

    It would be good - they've cost us enough by their comments to the media, it would at least go some way to repairing that damage.

  186. stpeter adds pinging Chris DiBona to his todo list

  187. ralphm

    dwd: heh

  188. ralphm


  189. ralphm

    anything else on sponsors?

  190. dwd

    ralphm, I'm actually quite serious. If we could point out to people that they're a current sponsor, it would be helpful.

  191. ralphm

    dwd: I assumed you were serious

  192. ralphm

    and I agree with it, too

  193. ralphm

    left hand / right hand and all that

  194. dwd

    ralphm, I think I'm good. Does the Board which to formally approve sponsors, by the way?

  195. dwd


  196. dwd

    Because if so, I'd have thought it's something we should to in camera. (ie, not in public).

  197. stpeter

    hmm, interesting, I just discovered that vtc.amazon.com is an XMPP service

  198. ralphm

    I don't feel we have to approve sponsors, really.

  199. stpeter nods to ralphm

  200. Kev

    I actually feel like Board should.

  201. Kev

    As it can be seen as an advertising deal on the XSF site.

  202. stpeter

    well, unless the sponsors would reflect badly on the XSF :-)

  203. ralphm

    If a sponsor should appear that we don't want money from, we can discuss it when that happens

  204. Kev

    I'm happy for the approval to be implicit :)

  205. dwd

    ralphm, I would rather that we put the policy in place while we're not doing anything contraversial.

  206. Kev

    It doesn't seem harmful or onerous to approve sponsors, to me.

  207. ralphm

    I trust the officer in charge of sponsors (hi dwd) can act on behalf of the board on this

  208. dwd

    I'm not an officer.

  209. dwd

    (that has a specific meaning)

  210. dwd

    Kev, FWIW, I agree.

  211. ralphm

    I meant Director

  212. ralphm

    But sure, let's do this oob

  213. ralphm

    Moving on then

  214. ralphm

    3. AOB

  215. stpeter

    in the past I have given the Board a heads-up about incoming sponsors, but I done so on the board@ list

  216. ralphm


  217. dwd

    Right. I'll post details to the Secret List

  218. stpeter


  219. Kev

    I have a small request here.

  220. Kev

    I'd quite like the vote to happen in normal Board meetings.

  221. Kev

    I realise the details remain OOB.

  222. ralphm

    Kev: yes, for next meeting

  223. dwd

    Kev, You want a named sponsor to be declined publicly?

  224. ralphm

    so we first discuss and then formalize it in the regular meeting

  225. Kev

    dwd: No, I explicitly said not that.

  226. ralphm

    Kev: what if the vote is not unanimous?

  227. dwd

    Kev, I'm not understanding what you mean, then.

  228. Kev

    I'd just like the vote to happen as a normal Board vote, which means here. I'm happy for it to be as simple as "The sponorship deal discussed on list - who's in favour?".

  229. Kev

    That is - I'd like to default to being public, and elide the bits that can't be shared, rather than moving it entirely OOB.

  230. ralphm

    I'm sorry, but if it is a public vote, it shall also be a named item.

  231. dwd

    Kev, Unless two happen to be in progress at the same time, I think political realities would indicate that meant the sponsor would in effect be named if they were accepted, and if the vote were a 3-2, that'd be uncomfortable.

  232. dwd

    Kev, FWIW, I think it'd put some sponsors off "applying".

  233. stpeter

    in practice I doubt that we'd ever turn down a sponsor unless it was some shady company, and that's unlikely

  234. stpeter

    so making it as public as possible seems fine to me

  235. ralphm

    I would not really feel comfortable in publicly announcing a non-unanimous sponsor decision, whatever the outcome.

  236. stpeter

    may I raise my "AOB" item now?

  237. dwd

    ralphm, I agree.

  238. Simon

    stpeter - I've been waiting all evening.

  239. ralphm

    stpeter: yes. Kev's point will be considered

  240. ralphm

    3. AOB.

  241. stpeter

    I have asked Thijs Alkemade if he would be able and willing to present about our work on hardening the XMPP network at the W3C/IAB workshop to be held on Feb 28 / March 1 (see https://www.w3.org/2014/strint/ for details) - he is agreeable and I think it would be appropriate for the XSF to pay for his expenses to participate in the workshop. I'll also note that the meeting is coming up quickly and Thijs would need to plan travel and hotel.

  242. Kev

    [Last thing for my point - if we can't have anything done in public, I'd at least like the result to be publicly minuted. So either X was accepted as a sponsor, on An Unnamed Sponsor offer was rejected. To be added to consideration]

  243. stpeter

    my proposal to present at the workshop - https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-saintandre-strint-workshop-xmpp/ - has been accepted, but I think it would be great for Thijs to present about it

  244. ralphm

    Kev: noted

  245. ralphm

    stpeter: I think this is a great idea.

  246. Simon

    stpeter: +1 sounds great.

  247. Kev

    Is Thijs a member? Seems slightly odd for the XSF to pay for someone unaffiliated to represent them (not that this makes it a bad idea)

  248. stpeter

    good experience and recognition for Thijs among other things

  249. xnyhps

    Kev: I am not.

  250. ralphm

    xnyhps: WHAY!

  251. stpeter

    I don't see why it makes any difference whether Thijs is a member

  252. ralphm

    stpeter: agreed

  253. dwd

    stpeter, Yes, I agree, but I think we should make a Thing out of this - get a little wider publicity.

  254. stpeter

    we have plenty of members who do nothing, and Thijs has done a lot

  255. Kev

    I said 'slightly odd' and explicitly noted that this didn't make it a bad idea.

  256. stpeter

    Kev: yep

  257. Kev

    We have more than that, we have plenty of members that we might not want to represent the XSF :)

  258. stpeter

    Kev: the only slightly odd thing is that it would be great if Thijs were an XSF member

  259. fippo

    xnyhps: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q1_2014 :-)

  260. stpeter

    Kev: :-)

  261. stpeter

    dwd: sure

  262. stpeter

    can the Board agree in principle so that Thijs can start making plans, get registered for the workshop, etc.?

  263. ralphm

    stpeter, xnyhps: can you send us an estimate?

  264. Simon

    full agreement here.

  265. stpeter

    I'll also need to inform the workshop organizers that Thijs would be presenting

  266. ralphm

    I'm +1 in principle

  267. dwd

    I'd be inclined to say just book it.

  268. stpeter

    it's London, isn't that the most expensive city in the world?

  269. dwd

    xnyhps, Where are you flying in from?

  270. xnyhps

    Netherlands, so I'm not sure I'll be actually flying.

  271. dwd

    xnyhps, Whereabouts? intosi@ik.nu might be able to suggest sensible routes into London; he travels enough.

  272. Kev

    Are we expecting there to be general XMPP discussion in strint beyond this presentation being made?

  273. xnyhps


  274. dwd

    Kev, I think STRINT is mostly about general "post-Snowden" security; I wouldn't expect a lot of XMPP discussion.

  275. stpeter


  276. stpeter

    this is a general workshop

  277. Kev

    I hadn't previously expected it.

  278. stpeter

    people talking about security from many angles

  279. Kev

    But, given the presentation... seemed worth asking.

  280. dwd

    Kev, I'd hope that Thijs and Peter can get some XMPP discussion going, though.

  281. stpeter

    it is a good opportunity to show that the XMPP community is in the forefront

  282. dwd

    stpeter, Right.

  283. dwd

    stpeter, Be sure to mention the lavish dinners we have, too.

  284. ralphm

    It has been decided, I believe.

  285. ralphm

    Any other any other business?

  286. stpeter

    I need to apologize for not getting busy with the Editorial Team -- I'll set up a meeting about that next week

  287. dwd

    I'd suggest Thijs (and stpeter) try to get into "the conference hotel", whichever that is. The benefits of the corridor meetings that result that way are huge.

  288. Simon

    Do we need to discuss any of the Summit work?

  289. ralphm

    stpeter: you're excused, naturally

  290. dwd

    stpeter, There were additional volunteers guilted into it at the Summit, IIRC.

  291. Kev

    Every non-Council/Board member present, by my count.

  292. ralphm

    dwd: there's no "conference hotel" apparently

  293. dwd

    ralphm, Probably the IETF one, then.

  294. stpeter

    Kev: :-)

  295. ralphm

    Simon: I think we should digest the notes by Bear and discuss next week, if needed.

  296. ralphm

    I'm toast.

  297. Simon

    ralphm: +1

  298. ralphm

    4. Date of Next

  299. ralphm


  300. ralphm

    5. Close

  301. ralphm

    Thanks all!

  302. ralphm bangs gavel

  303. dwd

    Thanks, ralphm

  304. Kev

    I think the intention is for there to be a London Meetup sometime around the end of the month.

  305. ralphm

    Simon: can you create minutes?

  306. Simon

    ralphm: sure

  307. ralphm


  308. Tobias

    Kev, the usual XMPP UK Meetup or something else?

  309. Zash

    London Meetup!

  310. ralphm

    Simon: please send them to the members list

  311. Simon nods

  312. Kev

    Tobias: The usual, but possibly proximity will have an effect.

  313. ralphm

    I still have London reserved in my agenda, but haven't decided on coming yet

  314. Kev

    I'm intending to make it over if interesting things are happening.

  315. Zash

    When, exactly, was this supposed to take place?

  316. Kev


  317. ralphm

    IETF 89 is 2-7 march

  318. stpeter

    Zash: that would be Saturday March 1 o rSUnday MArch 2 I suppose -- it

  319. ralphm

    stpeter: get a new keyboard

  320. stpeter

    it's easier for me to reserve a free meeting room on Saturday or Sunday

  321. stpeter

    since that's before the IETF meeting really gets going

  322. ralphm

    When everybody is still fresh

  323. stpeter

    that too :-)

  324. ralphm wanders off

  325. stpeter


  326. Tobias

    yeah..conference climate kills brain cells

  327. Kev

    Tobias: You weren't there when my brain stopped on Thursday :)

  328. stpeter

    BTW another possibility for an XMPP meetup in London is Tuesday, March 4 -- that's the day of the XMPP WG session and perhaps we could figure out a way to pay for XSF members to attend on a day pass

  329. stpeter


  330. stpeter

    OK I need to shut down this machine, bbl

  331. ralphm

    I thought that hildjj said there wasn't going to be an XMPP WG session. Did I misinterpret that?

  332. fippo

    there is, updated the wiki page

  333. ralphm

    fippo: awesome, thanks

  334. fippo

    stpeter did the work

  335. ralphm

    thanks, stpeter

  336. ralphm

    There. Key signing done, too

  337. intosi


  338. dwd

    Heh. Yes, stpeter. An early start at the pub is certainly of interest to many in the XMPP community. :-)

  339. Zash


  340. bear catches up on the meeting logs

  341. ralphm

    dwd: +1

  342. ralphm

    bear: snow much?

  343. dwd

    ralphm, To what? Paying for folk, or going to the pub early?

  344. dwd

    ralphm, Or both. Both is good too.

  345. ralphm

    dwd: yes

  346. bear

    snow then ice and now rain. more snow and ice later tonight

  347. bear

    it's a miserable day outside :/

  348. ralphm

    bear: at least you're back online

  349. bear


  350. Ge0rG

    bear: would you mind adding http://community.igniterealtime.org/docs/DOC-2678 to the GSoC list on the xmpp wiki?

  351. bear

    sure can

  352. Neustradamus

    thanks guys about jabber.org return!

  353. waqas

    Does the jabber.org team still make announcements about issues on twitter and the notice page?

  354. bear

    Ge0rG - done

  355. Kev

    waqas: Not reliably.

  356. Ge0rG

    bear: +1 for you

  357. Neustradamus

    have you planned to do a post about SUMMIT and FOSDEM on the website?

  358. waqas

    Ge0rG: Is that aSmack getting merged into Smack?

  359. Ge0rG

    waqas: http://community.igniterealtime.org/blogs/ignite/2014/02/02/stepping-down-as-lead

  360. Ge0rG

    waqas: so yes

  361. Ge0rG

    Neustradamus: who, and which website?

  362. bear

    we have a few posts that are pending about the summit - I know for myself that I have been spending the last couple of days recovering from the trip and dealing with work issues

  363. Ge0rG will make an extensive blog post about the summit as soon as lance comes up with an update to PUSH

  364. dwd

    bear, Where did you put that Summit notes page again?

  365. bear

    dwd http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summit_15_Minutes

  366. Neustradamus

    on xmpp.org, maybe bear or other, I was not at Fosdem... :/

  367. Ge0rG

    unfortunately, great discussion and feedback was not the only thing I got from Brussels. It looks like some evil virus invaded my body, reducing my blogging capacity to 10%

  368. bear

    like Ge0rG - it seems that something evil has invaded my brain and i'm not 100% at all

  369. dwd

    Ge0rG, Sorry to hear that. I hope it wasn't the same symptoms as Lloyd and I.

  370. Ge0rG is heading back to bed now. cu

  371. bear waves to Ge0rG

  372. Neustradamus

    Whaou: http://community.igniterealtime.org/blogs/ignite/2014/02/05/openfire-390-has-been-released

  373. Zash

    > The item does not exist. It may have been deleted.

  374. Neustradamus


  375. Neustradamus

    It is on: http://www.igniterealtime.org/index.jsp

  376. Kev

    I have a question about the London suggested dates of Saturday the 1st or Sunday the 3rd.

  377. Kev


  378. dwd

    Right, we missed out Saturday-night the 2nd.

  379. dwd

    It'll be a long night.

  380. Lance

    Ge0rG: I'm working on the Push XEP now :)

  381. Ge0rG

    Lance: ♥