XSF Discussion - 2014-02-06

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  15. bear

    has anyone created a google summer of code profile yet? I'm filling in the org profile and they now require a backup admin

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  24. Kev

    I have not, but can easily do so.

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  68. ralphm

    Which client and server implementations do MAM in a reasonably fashion at the moment? (Knowing it is still experimental)

  69. Tobias

    prosody & otalk?

  70. Tobias

    maybe gajim too

  71. Tobias

    and possibly yaxim

  72. dwd

    I don't think either. I could be wrong, though.

  73. dwd

    Ge0rG, ?

  74. Tobias

    https://www.zash.se/mam.html should give an overview

  75. simon

    we do lots of MAM on buddycloud but that's for messages from your channel - not <message> :)

  76. ralphm


  77. simon

    Ralphm: I agree. It's a hard problem and one of the best solutions is IMAP. Short of that, storing a timestamp of the last read message seems like a decent way to solve it (not the best, but a good start).

  78. ralphm

    Except IMAP is horrible in a bunch of ways. I hope MAM will up the ante.

  79. dwd

    IMAP is also quite nice in a number of ways. Very badly misunderstood, though.

  80. Kev

    I'm not sure I've got to the really horrible bits yet.

  81. simon

    The IMAP spec isn't descriptive enough on some cases. But it does what it promises across a range of servers and clients.

  82. ralphm

    dwd: I wasn't necessarily talking about the protocol only. Many things are implementation flaws.

  83. dwd

    Kev, Esoteric bits of the LIST command, some of the legacy gunk, most of the mailbox heirarchy stuff.

  84. simon

    leaving the door to marking individual posts read in MAM would be nice.

  85. ralphm

    Also, I'm wondering why you have to have multiple connections for IDLE to get updates on multiple folders

  86. Kev

    Lance and I (and others) were discussing this in hallways (this being message sync in XMPP), and I think there's a chance one or other of us will finish my multi-client thing at some point with some suggestions of how to do it.

  87. Kev

    ralphm: Well, yes, that bit is a little suboptimal.

  88. dwd

    ralphm, That too. And why you need IDLE at all (you shouldn't, according to the spec)

  89. ralphm

    I have had to tell our IMAP server to have a gazillion possible connections

  90. ralphm

    'cause I have many folders

  91. dwd

    ralphm, And some clients do two connections per folder (IDLE + read), plus another for appending.

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  93. ralphm

    Aaaand we're back talking about e-mail

  94. dwd

    Mail's where all the trendy people are these days.

  95. simon

    I heard it can do push

  96. dwd

    Really - and mostly because it's an open federated network, so anyone can jump in with a new entrant.

  97. Kev

    Synonyms superficial, shallow, materialistic

  98. Kev

    Thanks wikipedia :)

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  103. dwd

    stpeter, Any chance you could mail that invoice template you had to board@?

  104. Ge0rG

    ralphm: no MAM in yaxim yet

  105. ralphm

    Ge0rG: ok, but that's Zash' page

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  107. Ge0rG

    ralphm: "reported issues" does not look like a promise of support to me ;)

  108. Ge0rG

    ralphm: btw, what was the name of that ribs place again?

  109. ralphm

    Aux Paves de Bruxelles

  110. Ge0rG

    thanks very much

  111. ralphm

    going to B again?

  112. Ge0rG

    no, logging my expenses

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  119. bear

    hmm, I wonder if Kev has the answers we used from a prior gsoc app (I am searching my side now)

  120. Kev

    Quite probably.

  121. Kev

    Saying that, I can't find it.

  122. Kev

    Maybe I usually rewrite it each year.

  123. bear

    yea, I couldn't find it either

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