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ralphm
Interesting that Justin Uberti refers to non-WebRTC endpoints as 'legacy'.
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Simon
what does he define as an endpoint?
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ralphm
Simon: this is on the rtcweb mailing list. I assume a participant in an audio/video session.
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Simon
ralphm: this list http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/current/maillist.html ?
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ralphm
Yes
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fippo
ralphm: they've had ample time to upgrade to modern voip ;-)
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ralphm
Yeah
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ralphm
I think part of this is the confusion about what WebRTC is
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ralphm
on the one hand it is the set of protocols and features on the wire
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ralphm
on the other hand it is the stuff available through JS APIs in browsers
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ralphm
hmm, it seens Xabber is surpressing messages by your own nick and only shows what you type in that client. That's not great for nick-sharing.
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Zash
Did that one also supress messages with duplicated ids?
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ralphm
don't remember
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ralphm
and the devs are pretty much non-responsive
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ralphm
I wish somebody made an awesome, modern client with MUC support.
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intosi
ralphm: +1
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Zash
So, you can't run an mailing list without paying someone anymore?
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intosi
Zash: not if you want to deliver to MS or AOL and have more than a very low amount of traffic.
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intosi
Note that in the past, even a small site like ik.nu was hit by this, with only a few mailing lists and a few users on those lists at Hotmail.
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intosi
They throttle after a number of messages per hour / per day, and they don't disclose numbers. This is partially because the numbers are based on a number of factors, and I have a feeling they don't want to give spammers any clue in how to circumvent them.
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intosi
This clearly sucks royally.
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Zash
And mail I sent to gmail accounts used (probably still do) to end up in the spam folder :(
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Simon
I was trying to run my own mailing lists for Buddycloud bits. It started sucking really bad (even with DKMS etc and SPF settings). I gave up and now use google groups. Not ideal, but messages get through and I'm not dealing with a bunch of admin.
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ralphm
So, yeah, this stuff is really hard and while good for companies like Mailgun, I hope that XMPP doesn't have to go in that direction.
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ralphm
Also, for relatively low volume but spiky traffic, these services are usually free of cost. In our case, <=10000 outbound msg/month.
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fippo
ralphm: I think xmpp servers are in a better position. e.g. you can tap into roster data for increasing karma limits
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ralphm
fippo: I hope so
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ralphm
In any case, I've asked intosi how many msg/m we currently send out
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ralphm
ok great
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bear
:)