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dwd
fippo, I am. I'm hoping he'll snap and "interview" one of us.
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Kev
Whowherewhat?
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dwd
Tsahi's blog, http://bloggeek.me
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dwd
He comes out with stuff like "I am not a fan of XMPP to say the least, but I don’t really have anything bad to say about this approach."
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dwd
That's the most positive thing he's yet said.
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ralphm
dwd: for what it's worth, I found his posts reasonably low on signal
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ralphm
Like the new one talking about 'SaaS'.
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dwd
ralphm, Yes, they often are, but I'd like to have his low-grade mumblings also mention XMPP positively.
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fippo
ralphm: the analiysis of signalling protocol completly misses some important facts
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fippo
like: "you typically use sip because then you can use webrtcs sdp thing -- but note that webrtc sdp != sdp"
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fippo
or: "jingle doesnt use sdp, webrtc does so you need a transformation"
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fippo
but i dont want to generate content on his blog (-:
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Lance
for those interested, I have a first, very rough, draft for the new push xep ready here: https://github.com/legastero/customxeps/blob/gh-pages/extensions/push.md
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Lance
comments welcome. tomorrow i'll xep-ify it and add in all of the formalities
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dwd
Lance, If you are a client developer, and I can register with your client backend, can I construct some form of attack (on you, or on your client-users)?
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dwd
Lance, Also, it *is* tomorrow. Even for you. :-)
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Simon
Lance - Looks like what we chatted about at the Summit. I'll point Abmar to it as well. (for easy XEP-ing, I can recommend Lloyd's Github+Travis XEP workflow. - https://github.com/buddycloud/buddycloud-xep)
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Lance
heh, so it is
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Lance
dwd: doing the registration via xmpp is nice as proof-of-ownership for a jid, so i can associate a device id with user jid
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Lance
the main attack against me would be injecting someone elses device id
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ralphm
dwd: sure thing, I've been telling people they are wrong on the internet by tracking http://display.ik.nu/xmpp
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dwd
Lance, Yeah, but could I flood your push service with a slew of fake registrations from dummy accounts?
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Lance
sure. just like you can ddos anything else. thats a problem every mobile app developer that uses accounts has to deal with
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dwd
I wonder if there's a reasonable way of mitigating that.
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dwd
In any case, don't take this as in any way blocking.
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ralphm
dwd: eg. https://twitter.com/mike10010100/status/438353086978211840
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dwd
So, sponsorship - as I read things, Silver gets a logo, but no text, on the sponsors page, right?
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ralphm
dwd: yes
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ralphm
the table seems pretty clear to me
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dwd
Joachim makes a good point. One for the agenda this afternoon.
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fippo
hey lloyd, you could have told me about @decentcamp :-)
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Lloyd
How do you know I know :) Sorry. I think they only announced on Monday
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fippo
twitter tells me you follow them as well
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Lloyd
ahh :) Its a good location for visiting the girlfriend's family too.
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Lloyd
For everyone else: http://decentralizecamp.com/ - have submitted to talk about XMPP
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Lloyd
fippo maybe you could talk about webrtc but sneak a whole bunch of webrtc in ;)
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Lloyd
second webrtc == xmpp, D'Oh!
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fippo
yeah, even though a pure xmpp one might be good as well... "why decentralization is hard -- 15 years xmpp"
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ralphm
oh, that's interesting
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ralphm
also 2 days after open discussion day
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Simon
talk proposals also submitted - this should be fun :)
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fippo
haha
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Lloyd
I think with all the submissions there'll be at least one XMPP session :)
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dwd
Decentralize! Own the web! Follow us on Twitter!
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Lloyd
Oh the ironing ;)
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Kev
In the sense of lacking Irony.
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dwd
Right. So I've done a pass over XEP-0001. The main changes I'm proposing (aside from some linguistic hoops) are: 1) Removed the timeout for Council [now Approving Body] objections - this is now a timeout for the Approving Body Chair to poll the members of the Approving Body. The timeout for objections is then stipulated as being up to the Chair. 2) Switched the Approving Body for Humorous XEPs to being the Editor; I think this is how it's actually been for some years anyway.
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dwd
So the change in (1) now means that a ProtoXEP will go up before the Council within 14 days, rather than objections must be filed within 14 days. Again, I think this matches what actually happens.
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dwd
Oh, note I've also removed the stipulation for "the next meeting", so the Council Chair could punt a submission on Wednesday morning to the next meeting within the process; I'm not sure that's ever happened, actually, but it was easier to frame the text that way.
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fippo
i do wonder whether we should hold council meetings on april 1st where those xeps are discussed....
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dwd
There, sent to the list.
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intosi
dwd: thanks.
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intosi
dwd: you forgot to mention the Humorous XEPs in <section1 topic='Publication Process' anchor='publication'> para 1.
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dwd
Ah, yes, I forgot to add it.
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dwd
I'd actually only changed that para to titlecase Approving Body since it's now a Thing.
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Zash
A captital-T Thing?
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dwd
Right. It's a Term, technically.
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Zash
a Term Thing
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dwd
So scanning for similar cases, I see there's no provision for modifying Humorous XEPs. It's also not clear if we can deprecate and obsolete them.
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dwd
I don't think I care.
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Simon
If I got €1 for every person contacting me about switching to Threema… Now imagine if there was a service that let you send messages to friends over securely.
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Zash
!define Threema
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Simon
It's a swiss service that seems to be benefitting from the WhatsApp = Facebook effect.
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Zash
Oh, no HAL
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Zash
I've seen Telegram mentioned in a few places too :(
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dwd
It might actually be worth pushing XMPP in this light.
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dwd
That is, putting together some copy etc to specifically target this market.
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Tobias
what do you mean with copy?
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fippo
dwd: the old problem is that XMPP is a protocol, not a product. and those services offer a product
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dwd
"copy" as in text etc.
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dwd
fippo, Yes, indeed.
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dwd
fippo, There's an argument here for some productizing effort. But that loops back to testing, compliance suites, etc.
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dwd
Simon, I sympathize with that, certainly, but there is *always* one more thing.
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Zash
This market segment is probably going to care about e2e crypto
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Zash
Regardless of if it's actually secure
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fippo
dwd: yes, but that costs money. which you only have if you market a product (-:
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Simon
dwd: indeed. But the people that have been asking me about Threema will not be running the current crop of XMPP clients willingly.
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Zash
dwd: Allways.
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Zash
dwd: And that thing is the most important one!
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Zash
Can't switch to XMPP unless it has that one thing!
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dwd
Zash, Right.
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dwd
Zash, FWIW, Mark Crispin used to complain that the IMAP world was full of these things without which IMAP would inevitably fail.
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dwd
Zash, Yet whichever ones were left out, it still did the same.
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Zash
In the end, it's only network effect that counts.
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dwd
Zash, That's certainly the most important factor.
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fippo
what is amazing is that we don't see the multi-protocol clients again...
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fippo
but I guess the vendors are fighting them harder than last time.
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Zash
fippo: Just wait
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dwd
Either fighting, or they've switched to offering an XMPP interface to their silo.
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Zash
All this has happened before etc
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Zash
When did the first multi-protocol clients show up?
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fippo
1997 maybe?
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Simon
Has anyone used http://instantbird.com <http://instantbird.com/> or know how closely it's tied into Mozilla?
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Zash
Simon: The IM support in Thunderbird is build on that iirc.
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dwd
No and no. But I imagine we could find out the latter easily.
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Zash
I /think/ the guy showed up at FOSDEM last year
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Zash
or was it the year before
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fippo
ah, florian talked to me at fosdem. I did not know he was behind instandbird
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dwd
Which Florian?
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Zash
dwd: http://www.instantbird.com/about.html
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dwd
Oh, a new Florian.
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dwd
TO me.
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Zash
So many Florians
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dwd
So little time.
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Simon
Is there a recommended indentation tab/spaces size and line wrap length for XEPs (bonus: Eclipse settings that I can import)?
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dwd
I don't think so.
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Simon
dwd - so woe to anyone who reformats a document and then tries to make a diff of it? Or is there a nice way to make an XML diff that I'm missing?
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dwd
Simon, I think Tobias made some tools to diff XEPs.
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dwd
[14:44:05] Dave Cridland: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xsf-people/#editor actually says to submit XEPs to Peter directly, still.
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dwd
I was actually trying to find the XEP submission address. :-)
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Zash
dwd: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0001.html#appendix-discuss whataboutthtatone
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dwd
Ah, errata. Yes, not what I was doing, though.
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dwd
I'm catching up on Exciting Board Paperwork. :-)
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Simon
Do we have an agenda for this week?
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dwd
Not AFAIK.
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intosi
Excellent, my mail helped. Joker now supports submission of DS records for .nl domains.
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ilpoht45
Alex: ralphm Kev Zash xnyhps MattJ Simon http://syriatalk.co/IMG_10209337760734.jpg
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intosi
Simon: you sure that will work?
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ralphm
Why do you people click on random URLs?
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ralphm
Especially ones with 'syria' in them.
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Simon
Look over there. Free donuts.
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ralphm
http://www.did-i-loose-all-my-bitcoins-on-mtgox.com/
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Tobias
Simon, or server side tool uses daisy diff and generates that diff based on the two HTML outputs of the different versions
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Simon
Tobias - thanks. Do you have a non-syrian link for me?
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Tobias
https://code.google.com/p/daisydiff/ this is the lib..or do you just want a diff of versions already in the repo, then this might help http://xmpp.org/extensions/diff/
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ralphm
Simon: ^
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Simon
thanks :)
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ralphm
Simon: Hoping you aren't affected
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dwd
Of course, the lack of regulation the bitcoinistas enjoy so much also means they won't have the standard protections enjoyed by anyone using a traditional bank with boring, non-digital money.
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Simon
ralphm: Thankfully not affected by the Gox madness. Actually I bought from Mark Karples before there was even a mtGox (by sending money to his friend in Sweden) Amazingly it all worked (and I pulled my coins into a private wallet immediately)
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dwd
Simon, You've bought bitcoins?
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dwd
Simon, I have this bridge I can sell you.
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ralphm
Simon: I haven't looked into this stuff at all, but why would you *not* keep them in a private wallet?
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Tobias
because of all the convenient cloud services?
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ralphm
dwd: made of chocolate fudge?
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dwd
Tobias, Right, and cloud services are cool.
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ralphm
Tobias, dwd: Oh, I didn't know that.
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dwd
ralphm, It's Tower Bridge. The UK is selling it and has made me sole agent. Honest.
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Simon
ralphm: no idea. Well perhaps you are doing some exchange arbitrage and day-trading.
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ralphm
Tobias, dwd: I don't know much about cloud services, really.
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Simon
Might have a go at writing up a XEP for payment requests.
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dwd
ralphm, Cloud services are like normal internet services except... Erm... cloudier.
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Tobias
and with less privacy of course
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ralphm
dwd: I should tell my boss, I guess. He might be interested in this cloud thing.
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dwd
ralphm, And because clouds are cold - think of fog, for instance - then cloud services are cooler.
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Simon
Tobias: nice tool.
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Tobias
that's also why dwd stays in the foggy parts of this world :)
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ralphm
dwd: I can see why they like Cloud services in San Francisco, too.
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dwd
ralphm, Right.
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ralphm
fog much
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dwd
ralphm, They probably have cloud services in London, too, only they call them Pea Souper Services.
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intosi
Cloud services in London occasionally cause my flight to be delayed or even cancelled.
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ralphm
hm
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ralphm
I'll make a note of this
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dwd
Agenda Item: Spam protection.
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dwd
Agenda Item: XEP-0001 Changes (probably need to punt until next week)
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dwd
Agenda Item: ProtoXEP Submission on "Form of Membership Applications" (again, probably need to put until next week)
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dwd
In other news, Sony have released their new toys. Being a complete Sony whore now, I'm drooling.
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Tobias
does it include a new crypto fail?
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dwd
Did Sony have one? Beyond the stock Android fails?
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Tobias
the PS3 had one
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Tobias
where their random number for their ECDSA signatures was always the same :D
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intosi
Rootkit pre-installed?
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Simon
Were there minutes of the editing team's meeting?
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dwd
Simon, That meeting was yesterday; I don't know of minutes yet, but I asked M&M if he'd say a few words to the Board today.
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Simon
dwd: that was going to be my next question.
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stpeter
I have a meeting IRL so I probably won't pay much attention to the Board meeting, but if I'm needed please include "stpeter" in the next so my client will show it in bold red text :-)
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ralphm
ok stpeter
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ralphm
Ok
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ralphm
Still two short
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dwd
Hiya
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Lloyd
dwd, becoming more and more Welsh each day
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dwd
Lloyd, What, with "Hiya"?
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Lloyd
dwd yep, happy female Welsh I grant you, but I assumed you'd prefer me to leave those bits out.
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dwd
Lloyd, Happy I'll grant you. The rest, not so much.
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dwd
ralphm, Assuming you're chairing, I've put messages in here with "agenda" in them so you can find them in the logs. All today.
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ralphm
"A battlecry a ninja yells when the ninja is ready to attack."
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dwd
Oh, Miss Piggy, too.
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dwd
But it was that kind of "Hiya" either.
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ralphm
neither?
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dwd
I entirely missed out all my negatives there, yes.
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dwd
It was not that kind of "Hiya" either.
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ralphm
Anyway, even though we're still missing bear and Laura, shall we begin?
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dwd
Laura sent apologies to the list.
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ralphm
oh, good
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dwd
Sorry, I thought you'd seen those.
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ralphm
Wasn't aware of snow on the Isles
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ralphm
anyway
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ralphm
0. Agenda
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ralphm
dwd spammed this room today
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ralphm
any other items?
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Simon
I don't think Laura can make it (she couldn't make our website meeting before this one either)
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ralphm
Simon: dwd just said "Laura sent apologies to the list."
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dwd
Oh, the note to Board@ I sent WRT IETF.
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ralphm
dwd: right
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Simon
Nothing major from my end.
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ralphm
1. Spam Protection
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ralphm
dwd?
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dwd
So m&m mentioned that editor@ is inundated with spam, currently.
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dwd
Making it hard to find the actual submissions in amongst the rubbish.
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ralphm
the room, the list?
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dwd
The list.
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dwd
This is specifically email spam.
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ralphm
why is it a problem on that list and not on the others?
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dwd
Because that list relies on promptly handling messages from non-list members.
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ralphm
dwd: ok, so this is something that the I-team should be able to handle. Or stpeter.
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m&m
it takes some effort to separate the wheat and the chaff
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intosi
iteam is looking at introducing greylisting on atlas.
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dwd
Right, but a third-party spam filtering service might be in order, which would mean expenditure.
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m&m
stpeter mentioned installing a graylisting filter
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stpeter
yes iteam will be doing that
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m&m
I think the greylisting will help significantly
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dwd
If greylisting works, that's great - but I'd like to see Board agree in principle that item can go look for spam filtering services that cost actual money.
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dwd
Or at least alert that they may need to.
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ralphm
without too much self-promotion, intosi is looking into Mailgun for outgoing mail, they also do spam filtering for incoming
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Simon
is there a good reason for the XSF to spend time running mailing lists rather than using commercial alternatives?
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Simon
ralphm: great.
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dwd
Simon, I would argue the mailing lists themselves (and the archives of them, more so) are a core service.
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ralphm
dwd: agreed
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dwd
Simon, For the most part this doesn't appear to be an onerous task, either.
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ralphm
running mailman, when familiar, takes almost no resources
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ralphm
it is things like spam that complicate things
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dwd
But anyway - can we tell iteam that we'll authorize actual money?
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ralphm
dwd: I'd first like them to look at the options
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Simon
raphm
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ralphm
dwd: but I am not opposed on principle
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Simon
sorry - kbd slip
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dwd
ralphm, OK. Sounds good to me.
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ralphm
I also asked intosi to gather metrics on the number of messages we send out
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ralphm
depending on the volume, the costs might be near or at zero
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intosi
ralphm: sorry, forgot about that. been busy, have put it higher on my todo-list.
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ralphm
intosi: no worries
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dwd
All sounds good. FWIW, some of these places charge by the email address by the looks of things. Which could be quite amusing, given it's all lists.
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dwd
Anyway, I'm done on this one.
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ralphm
Mailgun charges only per outgoing message and per dedicated IP
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ralphm
(the latter we don't need)
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ralphm
2. XEP-0001 updates
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dwd
Just a general note to read them. I don't think we've had sufficient discussion to consider them ready for voting.
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Simon
+1
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Simon
let's push to next week
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ralphm
dwd: can't the Council do this themselves?
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dwd
ralphm, The Approving Body for XEP-0001 is actually Board.
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ralphm
ah yes
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ralphm
I just noticed
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dwd
ralphm, So it has to be us.
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ralphm
oh well then
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ralphm
I missed the Council meeting today, were the changes discussed there?
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dwd
Only in as much as I called attention to them, and Kev/PSA noted that I may have the Humorous XEP approving body wrong.
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dwd
FWIW, I still think that's probably the right change, but it's worth adding in some blurb about how they seek opinion as required.
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ralphm
dwd: Kev is right, you just have no idea
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Kev
Not sure that's exactly my wording.
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Kev
But hey ho.
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dwd
Kev, Well, you said the approving body was still council.
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Kev
Yes.
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ralphm
adding procedure also sucks humor
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Kev
It was Ralph's "You have no idea" that I said I didn't say.
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ralphm
going forward
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dwd
Kev, Ah, OK.
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ralphm
Kev: that was my opinion
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Kev
ralphm: Right. I want to stay on Board's good side. You know how fickle they are.
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dwd
ralphm, You should have had your humour formally approved before stating.
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Kev
ralphm: If you propose your humour now, I can get it approved by Council in the next 28 days.
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Lloyd
:)
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ralphm
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dwd
OK, I'm good with this.
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ralphm
3. ProtoXEP form of membership applications
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dwd
FWIW, the Editorial team haven't yet announced this, so I was a little premature in putting it on the agenda.
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ralphm
I don't think we're in the habit of discussing protoxeps formally other than raising objections for admission
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m&m
we're working on it!
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dwd
Right, again this one's Approving Body is the XSF Board, and is the "Form of membership applications" that the By-Laws state we approve.
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ralphm
m&m: we == board
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dwd
Or need to approve. From time to time.
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dwd
It's basically a marginally tidied version of what I sent to the memebrs list back in December.
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m&m
in the case of the ProtoXEP publication, we == Editorial Team
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ralphm
dwd: so is it in the inbox?
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m&m
not yet
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Simon
Could the party that raised this agenda item please outline the benefits of a proto-xep over the current wiki based system.
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dwd
ralphm, Submitted. Not yet there. Like I said, I was a little premature.
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dwd
Simon, There is no current system.
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ralphm
dwd: ok, anything to discuss now then?
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dwd
Simon, Or rather, there is no formally approved "Form of membership applications" that I can find.
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dwd
Simon, So this ProtoXEP provides a proposal for one, and includes saying "Applications must be made on the Wiki" etc.
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dwd
ralphm, Erm. Probably nothign more than a heads-up, and please read when you see it announced.
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ralphm
4. AOB
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dwd
Oh, yes.
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dwd
m&m, Can you give a summary of where the Editorial Team is?
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dwd
And if you say "scattered across the earth", I shall have to stick my tongue out at you.
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ralphm
dwd: on teh intarwebs
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m&m
sure
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m&m
the team had its first meeting yesterday @ 16:00 UTC
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m&m
we got a brain dump from stpeter on the processes he's followed all of these years
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m&m
changed editor@xmpp.org from an alias to a mailing list
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m&m
and have some documents we're working through on processes, templates, etc
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m&m
so far I'm the only member of the team with (most of) the necessary access to do things
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m&m
we'll get the rest of them up and running as soon as we can
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ralphm
m&m: ok, cool. Thanks for the update.
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ralphm
any other Any Other Business?
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m&m
there's more, but I'm not yet ready for that part yet (-:
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m&m
I'm assembling a postmortem writeup on part of the process so far
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dwd
Oh, we need some updates to various bits of website to handle the switch from PSA to the Editorial Team.
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ralphm
m&m: right
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m&m
which might have some recommendations for infrastructure updates
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dwd
Who can make those changes?
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m&m
it looks like I might be able to now, actually
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m&m
but also stpeter
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m&m
that's all I have, really!
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dwd
OK, thanks.
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Simon
Nice update m&m.
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ralphm
5. Date of Next
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ralphm
I assume +1W is tricky for some.
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ralphm
So proposing +2W
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dwd
That works for me.
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ralphm
I'm not sure I'll be able to be online around then, yet.
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ralphm
But let's just schedule it
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Simon
Could someone attending IETF volunteer to write up a blog post on the XSF activities there
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dwd
2014-03-12?
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ralphm
dwd: yes
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dwd
Simon, That would be useful.
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ralphm
Simon: your question is noted
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ralphm
6. Close
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ralphm
Thanks all!
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dwd
Oh.
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m&m
too late
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dwd
We didn't cover that IETF question I had.
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Ash
Also maybe someone who is going to the IETF and the evening XMPP meetup might like to give a summary at the meetup about what happened at the IETF session
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ralphm
dwd: I asked for AOAOB
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m&m
Ash: I'm planning to attend both, so I could do that if no one else is willing
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dwd
ralphm, Yes, quite, my fault - I'd mentioned it at the beginning then forgot again.
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ralphm
dwd: but +1
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dwd
ralphm, I'll ask on the list.
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ralphm
dwd: that seems proper
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ralphm
m&m: awesome
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Ash
Thanks m&m - I'll put your name down :)
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m&m
graze
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dwd
Ash, You know Tuesday is free enrty (kind of) for ISOC members? And ISOC membership is free...
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m&m
actually, let me get that ProtoXEP into the inbox
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Ash
I was thinking of doing it myself, but I don't think I'm going to be able to make the IETF now as next week is starting to look pretty busy!
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Kev
Right, yes. I should presumably look at ISOC membership at some point prior to Tuesday.
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Kev
dwd: What's the procedure here for getting entry as an ISOC member?
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Kev
(Pointer to appropriate URL is a fine answer)
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dwd
I *entirely* forget. Let me see if I can dig out the mail I got.
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dwd
It could even be too late.
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Kev
Ta.
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dwd
I have some minutes written up, BTW.
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dwd
Do any Board members want to review ahead of time, or shall I just post them to memebrs@?
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m&m
members@
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dwd
Oh, so *that's* why everyone seems to ignore my mail.
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Zash
memeboards@
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intosi
memebros@
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dwd
MemeBruceStephens@ was actually what came to my mind.
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m&m
need moar cats!
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intosi
dwd: I knew it did.
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intosi
dwd: same here.
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m&m
it's not a meme without cats
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dwd
Minutes sent to board@ cc members@, noted unapproved.
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intosi
Any iOS users here with tips on XMPP clients for iPad / iPhone? Monad does seem to choke on any site not doing SSLv3, ChatSecure seems to crash on me.
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intosi
Monal
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dwd
intosi, What was the one that was announced on one of the mailing lists last week?
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intosi
Not sure I saw the message you're talking about
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intosi
Ah, Boogie Chat.
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dwd
That rings a bell.
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dwd
It looks the part at least.
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intosi
It wants me to manually provide hostname and port...
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Zash
:|
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intosi
Zash: quite.
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dwd
That's not a great start.
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intosi
Not really, no.
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intosi
And no notifications of chats when the app is not the foreground app.
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dwd
Oh, I know what you could do.
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dwd
But it involves changing your phone to something reasonable.
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Zash
N900! :P
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dwd
I said "something reasonable".
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Zash
Right, that was way into the "too awesome to be true" category
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intosi
dwd: it's not for me.
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dwd
intosi, Right. That sounds suspiciously like one of those "A friend of mine - no, not me, really - " stories.
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intosi
dwd: I know. Although I'd like to have a good XMPP client on my iPad, I'm more than happy to just use my Nexus 7 or Android phone when on the road.
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