Marandasomehow finds having a good XMPP client on iOS to be "utopistic".
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intosiMaranda: why?
Tobiaswhat's mainly missing is a PUSH standardization, and that's being worked on by Lance et al. IIRC
intosiTrue.
Ge0rGTobias: what is also missing is a privacy-convenience slider rule
Tobiaswith an image in the middle that fades between EFF and NSA, the more left the slide the more EFF shines through, the more right the slider and the NSA logo dominates?
intosiBut even without push, all clients I tested so far have show-stopping issues, such as not being able to connect to a site not offering SSLv3 (only TLSv1+), or crashing at random, or weird set-up, or only functioning as a foreground app.
Tobiasintosi, where have you seen that SSLv3 thing? on iOS?
intosiTobias: iOS 7 on my iPad, with Monal IM.
intosiOther clients can connect to that same server, only Monal refuses. It does want to connect to the same setup with SSLv3 enabled.
Tobiashmm..wonder if they are using apple's high security TLS implementation, instead of something interoperability proven like openssl :)
Tobiashttp://monal.im/ wonder how it does both, connect directly and stay open in the background
intosiHaven't tried that bit, so no idea if it does.
TobiasIIRC Kev mentioned one has to trick around to have even a short background time (i.e. 15 min) on iOS
Ge0rGthere is only one way to comment on this: goto fail;
Ge0rGiOS allows long-running background tasks for voip and some others
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MarandaTobias, Monal just doesn't, after the BG task execution hits the timeout it'll disconnect
Marandaat least that's how it behaved when I tried it.
TobiasMaranda, ahh..ok
Ge0rGiOS XMPP clients belong into one of two groups: usability-broken or security-broken
Tobiascan't they have both broken?
intosiTobias: I'm sure they can.
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simonGe0rG has a refreshing way of saying how things are. Nice to have you more involved with the XSF Ge0rG.
Ge0rGsimon: nobody is served by keeping the truth hidden...
Maranda1
Maranda+1
Marandawould add also "or plainly-broken"
MarandaI have got reports from users of clients on the AppStore which don't work at all.
MarandaI have got reports from users of clients on the AppStore that don't work at all.
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Ge0rGI've got reports from users who fail to connect to yax.im because SSLv3
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KevLooking at http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html there seems to be a crazy number of SHOULDs in there that have no business not being MUSTs.
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stpeterpatches welcome :-)
ralphmstpeter: ^o^ _o_ ^o^
ralphmalso, slow clap
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fippomh.... I smell bacon
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stpeterhi
stpeternow is the time?
KevSo it seems.
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Alexsorry guys, was on the phone
AlexI am prepared now ;-)
Alexok, lets start
Alexbangs the gavel
Alexhere is our AGenda for today:
http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2014-02-27/
Alex1) Call for Quorum
Alexas you can see 34 members voted via proxy, so we already have a quorum
Alex2) Items Subject to a Vote
Alexnew and returning members, you can see all applicants here:
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q1_2014
Alex3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting
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Alexanybody here who has not voted yet?
Alexdon't think so
Alexso I'll shutdown the bot and prepare the results
stpeteryay :-)
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Alex4) Announcement of Voting Results
Alexif you reload the page at:
http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2014-02-27/
you can see the reuslts
Alexall new and returning members are accepted
Alex5) Any Other Business?
stpeterhey, who voted against Alex??
Alexyes I did
stpeterheh
stpeterhmm, other business
stpeterdon't forget to volunteer for the UPnP Liaison Team if you're interested or want to help out
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stpeterand a big thanks to the new editorial team
stpeternothing else from me at this time, I think
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Alexya, I have to check which work I can do for the XSF, not very active any more in teh admin team since the server switch and other changes
Alex6) Formal Adjournment
AlexI motion that we adjourn
bearseconds
Alexbangs the gavel
MiGriAlex: thanks
Alexthanks guys
bearthanks Alex!
ZashThanks Alex
stpeter+1
stpeterthanks as always to Alex for keeping us in business :-)
KevQuite.
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stpeterwanders off to run an errand and check the XSF postal box while he's out and about
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