XSF Discussion - 2014-02-27

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  67. Maranda somehow finds having a good XMPP client on iOS to be "utopistic".

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  83. intosi

    Maranda: why?

  84. Tobias

    what's mainly missing is a PUSH standardization, and that's being worked on by Lance et al. IIRC

  85. intosi


  86. Ge0rG

    Tobias: what is also missing is a privacy-convenience slider rule

  87. Tobias

    with an image in the middle that fades between EFF and NSA, the more left the slide the more EFF shines through, the more right the slider and the NSA logo dominates?

  88. intosi

    But even without push, all clients I tested so far have show-stopping issues, such as not being able to connect to a site not offering SSLv3 (only TLSv1+), or crashing at random, or weird set-up, or only functioning as a foreground app.

  89. Tobias

    intosi, where have you seen that SSLv3 thing? on iOS?

  90. intosi

    Tobias: iOS 7 on my iPad, with Monal IM.

  91. intosi

    Other clients can connect to that same server, only Monal refuses. It does want to connect to the same setup with SSLv3 enabled.

  92. Tobias

    hmm..wonder if they are using apple's high security TLS implementation, instead of something interoperability proven like openssl :)

  93. Tobias

    http://monal.im/ wonder how it does both, connect directly and stay open in the background

  94. intosi

    Haven't tried that bit, so no idea if it does.

  95. Tobias

    IIRC Kev mentioned one has to trick around to have even a short background time (i.e. 15 min) on iOS

  96. Ge0rG

    there is only one way to comment on this: goto fail;

  97. Ge0rG

    iOS allows long-running background tasks for voip and some others

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  106. Maranda

    Tobias, Monal just doesn't, after the BG task execution hits the timeout it'll disconnect

  107. Maranda

    at least that's how it behaved when I tried it.

  108. Tobias

    Maranda, ahh..ok

  109. Ge0rG

    iOS XMPP clients belong into one of two groups: usability-broken or security-broken

  110. Tobias

    can't they have both broken?

  111. intosi

    Tobias: I'm sure they can.

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  115. simon

    Ge0rG has a refreshing way of saying how things are. Nice to have you more involved with the XSF Ge0rG.

  116. Ge0rG

    simon: nobody is served by keeping the truth hidden...

  117. Maranda


  118. Maranda


  119. Maranda would add also "or plainly-broken"

  120. Maranda

    I have got reports from users of clients on the AppStore which don't work at all.

  121. Maranda

    I have got reports from users of clients on the AppStore that don't work at all.

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  124. Ge0rG

    I've got reports from users who fail to connect to yax.im because SSLv3

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  136. Kev

    Looking at http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html there seems to be a crazy number of SHOULDs in there that have no business not being MUSTs.

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  138. stpeter

    patches welcome :-)

  139. ralphm

    stpeter: ^o^ _o_ ^o^

  140. ralphm

    also, slow clap

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  146. fippo

    mh.... I smell bacon

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  153. stpeter

    now is the time?

  154. Kev

    So it seems.

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  158. Alex

    sorry guys, was on the phone

  159. Alex

    I am prepared now ;-)

  160. Alex

    ok, lets start

  161. Alex bangs the gavel

  162. Alex

    here is our AGenda for today: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2014-02-27/

  163. Alex

    1) Call for Quorum

  164. Alex

    as you can see 34 members voted via proxy, so we already have a quorum

  165. Alex

    2) Items Subject to a Vote

  166. Alex

    new and returning members, you can see all applicants here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q1_2014

  167. Alex

    3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting

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  169. Alex

    anybody here who has not voted yet?

  170. Alex

    don't think so

  171. Alex

    so I'll shutdown the bot and prepare the results

  172. stpeter

    yay :-)

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  174. Alex

    4) Announcement of Voting Results

  175. Alex

    if you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2014-02-27/ you can see the reuslts

  176. Alex

    all new and returning members are accepted

  177. Alex

    5) Any Other Business?

  178. stpeter

    hey, who voted against Alex??

  179. Alex

    yes I did

  180. stpeter


  181. stpeter

    hmm, other business

  182. stpeter

    don't forget to volunteer for the UPnP Liaison Team if you're interested or want to help out

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  184. stpeter

    and a big thanks to the new editorial team

  185. stpeter

    nothing else from me at this time, I think

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  187. Alex

    ya, I have to check which work I can do for the XSF, not very active any more in teh admin team since the server switch and other changes

  188. Alex

    6) Formal Adjournment

  189. Alex

    I motion that we adjourn

  190. bear seconds

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  192. MiGri

    Alex: thanks

  193. Alex

    thanks guys

  194. bear

    thanks Alex!

  195. Zash

    Thanks Alex

  196. stpeter


  197. stpeter

    thanks as always to Alex for keeping us in business :-)

  198. Kev


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