XSF Discussion - 2014-02-27

  1. Maranda somehow finds having a good XMPP client on iOS to be "utopistic".

  2. intosi

    Maranda: why?

  3. Tobias

    what's mainly missing is a PUSH standardization, and that's being worked on by Lance et al. IIRC

  4. intosi


  5. Ge0rG

    Tobias: what is also missing is a privacy-convenience slider rule

  6. Tobias

    with an image in the middle that fades between EFF and NSA, the more left the slide the more EFF shines through, the more right the slider and the NSA logo dominates?

  7. intosi

    But even without push, all clients I tested so far have show-stopping issues, such as not being able to connect to a site not offering SSLv3 (only TLSv1+), or crashing at random, or weird set-up, or only functioning as a foreground app.

  8. Tobias

    intosi, where have you seen that SSLv3 thing? on iOS?

  9. intosi

    Tobias: iOS 7 on my iPad, with Monal IM.

  10. intosi

    Other clients can connect to that same server, only Monal refuses. It does want to connect to the same setup with SSLv3 enabled.

  11. Tobias

    hmm..wonder if they are using apple's high security TLS implementation, instead of something interoperability proven like openssl :)

  12. Tobias

    http://monal.im/ wonder how it does both, connect directly and stay open in the background

  13. intosi

    Haven't tried that bit, so no idea if it does.

  14. Tobias

    IIRC Kev mentioned one has to trick around to have even a short background time (i.e. 15 min) on iOS

  15. Ge0rG

    there is only one way to comment on this: goto fail;

  16. Ge0rG

    iOS allows long-running background tasks for voip and some others

  17. Maranda

    Tobias, Monal just doesn't, after the BG task execution hits the timeout it'll disconnect

  18. Maranda

    at least that's how it behaved when I tried it.

  19. Tobias

    Maranda, ahh..ok

  20. Ge0rG

    iOS XMPP clients belong into one of two groups: usability-broken or security-broken

  21. Tobias

    can't they have both broken?

  22. intosi

    Tobias: I'm sure they can.

  23. simon

    Ge0rG has a refreshing way of saying how things are. Nice to have you more involved with the XSF Ge0rG.

  24. Ge0rG

    simon: nobody is served by keeping the truth hidden...

  25. Maranda


  26. Maranda


  27. Maranda would add also "or plainly-broken"

  28. Maranda

    I have got reports from users of clients on the AppStore which don't work at all.

  29. Maranda

    I have got reports from users of clients on the AppStore that don't work at all.

  30. Ge0rG

    I've got reports from users who fail to connect to yax.im because SSLv3

  31. Kev

    Looking at http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html there seems to be a crazy number of SHOULDs in there that have no business not being MUSTs.

  32. stpeter

    patches welcome :-)

  33. ralphm

    stpeter: ^o^ _o_ ^o^

  34. ralphm

    also, slow clap

  35. fippo

    mh.... I smell bacon

  36. stpeter


  37. stpeter

    now is the time?

  38. Kev

    So it seems.

  39. Alex

    sorry guys, was on the phone

  40. Alex

    I am prepared now ;-)

  41. Alex

    ok, lets start

  42. Alex bangs the gavel

  43. Alex

    here is our AGenda for today: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2014-02-27/

  44. Alex

    1) Call for Quorum

  45. Alex

    as you can see 34 members voted via proxy, so we already have a quorum

  46. Alex

    2) Items Subject to a Vote

  47. Alex

    new and returning members, you can see all applicants here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q1_2014

  48. Alex

    3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting

  49. Alex

    anybody here who has not voted yet?

  50. Alex

    don't think so

  51. Alex

    so I'll shutdown the bot and prepare the results

  52. stpeter

    yay :-)

  53. Alex

    4) Announcement of Voting Results

  54. Alex

    if you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2014-02-27/ you can see the reuslts

  55. Alex

    all new and returning members are accepted

  56. Alex

    5) Any Other Business?

  57. stpeter

    hey, who voted against Alex??

  58. Alex

    yes I did

  59. stpeter


  60. stpeter

    hmm, other business

  61. stpeter

    don't forget to volunteer for the UPnP Liaison Team if you're interested or want to help out

  62. stpeter

    and a big thanks to the new editorial team

  63. stpeter

    nothing else from me at this time, I think

  64. Alex

    ya, I have to check which work I can do for the XSF, not very active any more in teh admin team since the server switch and other changes

  65. Alex

    6) Formal Adjournment

  66. Alex

    I motion that we adjourn

  67. bear seconds

  68. Alex bangs the gavel

  69. MiGri

    Alex: thanks

  70. Alex

    thanks guys

  71. bear

    thanks Alex!

  72. Zash

    Thanks Alex

  73. stpeter


  74. stpeter

    thanks as always to Alex for keeping us in business :-)

  75. Kev


  76. stpeter wanders off to run an errand and check the XSF postal box while he's out and about