Marandasomehow finds having a good XMPP client on iOS to be "utopistic".
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intosi
Maranda: why?
Tobias
what's mainly missing is a PUSH standardization, and that's being worked on by Lance et al. IIRC
intosi
True.
Ge0rG
Tobias: what is also missing is a privacy-convenience slider rule
Tobias
with an image in the middle that fades between EFF and NSA, the more left the slide the more EFF shines through, the more right the slider and the NSA logo dominates?
intosi
But even without push, all clients I tested so far have show-stopping issues, such as not being able to connect to a site not offering SSLv3 (only TLSv1+), or crashing at random, or weird set-up, or only functioning as a foreground app.
Tobias
intosi, where have you seen that SSLv3 thing? on iOS?
intosi
Tobias: iOS 7 on my iPad, with Monal IM.
intosi
Other clients can connect to that same server, only Monal refuses. It does want to connect to the same setup with SSLv3 enabled.
Tobias
hmm..wonder if they are using apple's high security TLS implementation, instead of something interoperability proven like openssl :)
Tobias
http://monal.im/ wonder how it does both, connect directly and stay open in the background
intosi
Haven't tried that bit, so no idea if it does.
Tobias
IIRC Kev mentioned one has to trick around to have even a short background time (i.e. 15 min) on iOS
Ge0rG
there is only one way to comment on this: goto fail;
Ge0rG
iOS allows long-running background tasks for voip and some others
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Maranda
Tobias, Monal just doesn't, after the BG task execution hits the timeout it'll disconnect
Maranda
at least that's how it behaved when I tried it.
Tobias
Maranda, ahh..ok
Ge0rG
iOS XMPP clients belong into one of two groups: usability-broken or security-broken
Tobias
can't they have both broken?
intosi
Tobias: I'm sure they can.
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simon
Ge0rG has a refreshing way of saying how things are. Nice to have you more involved with the XSF Ge0rG.
Ge0rG
simon: nobody is served by keeping the truth hidden...