XSF Discussion - 2014-02-27

Maranda: why?

what's mainly missing is a PUSH standardization, and that's being worked on by Lance et al. IIRC

True.

Tobias: what is also missing is a privacy-convenience slider rule

with an image in the middle that fades between EFF and NSA, the more left the slide the more EFF shines through, the more right the slider and the NSA logo dominates?

But even without push, all clients I tested so far have show-stopping issues, such as not being able to connect to a site not offering SSLv3 (only TLSv1+), or crashing at random, or weird set-up, or only functioning as a foreground app.

intosi, where have you seen that SSLv3 thing? on iOS?

Tobias: iOS 7 on my iPad, with Monal IM.

Other clients can connect to that same server, only Monal refuses. It does want to connect to the same setup with SSLv3 enabled.

hmm..wonder if they are using apple's high security TLS implementation, instead of something interoperability proven like openssl :)

http://monal.im/ wonder how it does both, connect directly and stay open in the background

Haven't tried that bit, so no idea if it does.

IIRC Kev mentioned one has to trick around to have even a short background time (i.e. 15 min) on iOS

there is only one way to comment on this: goto fail;

iOS allows long-running background tasks for voip and some others

Tobias, Monal just doesn't, after the BG task execution hits the timeout it'll disconnect

at least that's how it behaved when I tried it.

Maranda, ahh..ok

iOS XMPP clients belong into one of two groups: usability-broken or security-broken

can't they have both broken?

Tobias: I'm sure they can.

Ge0rG has a refreshing way of saying how things are. Nice to have you more involved with the XSF Ge0rG.

simon: nobody is served by keeping the truth hidden...

+1 ✏

I have got reports from users of clients on the AppStore that don't work at all. ✏

I've got reports from users who fail to connect to yax.im because SSLv3

Looking at http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html there seems to be a crazy number of SHOULDs in there that have no business not being MUSTs.

patches welcome :-)

stpeter: ^o^ _o_ ^o^

also, slow clap

mh.... I smell bacon

hi

now is the time?

So it seems.

sorry guys, was on the phone

I am prepared now ;-)

ok, lets start

here is our AGenda for today: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2014-02-27/

1) Call for Quorum

as you can see 34 members voted via proxy, so we already have a quorum

2) Items Subject to a Vote

new and returning members, you can see all applicants here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q1_2014

3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting

anybody here who has not voted yet?

don't think so

so I'll shutdown the bot and prepare the results

yay :-)

4) Announcement of Voting Results

if you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2014-02-27/ you can see the reuslts

all new and returning members are accepted

5) Any Other Business?

hey, who voted against Alex??

yes I did

heh

hmm, other business

don't forget to volunteer for the UPnP Liaison Team if you're interested or want to help out

and a big thanks to the new editorial team

nothing else from me at this time, I think

ya, I have to check which work I can do for the XSF, not very active any more in teh admin team since the server switch and other changes

6) Formal Adjournment

I motion that we adjourn

Alex: thanks

thanks guys

thanks Alex!

Thanks Alex

+1

thanks as always to Alex for keeping us in business :-)

Quite.