- Maranda somehow finds having a good XMPP client on iOS to be "utopistic".
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intosi
Maranda: why?
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Tobias
what's mainly missing is a PUSH standardization, and that's being worked on by Lance et al. IIRC
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intosi
True.
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Ge0rG
Tobias: what is also missing is a privacy-convenience slider rule
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Tobias
with an image in the middle that fades between EFF and NSA, the more left the slide the more EFF shines through, the more right the slider and the NSA logo dominates?
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intosi
But even without push, all clients I tested so far have show-stopping issues, such as not being able to connect to a site not offering SSLv3 (only TLSv1+), or crashing at random, or weird set-up, or only functioning as a foreground app.
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Tobias
intosi, where have you seen that SSLv3 thing? on iOS?
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intosi
Tobias: iOS 7 on my iPad, with Monal IM.
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intosi
Other clients can connect to that same server, only Monal refuses. It does want to connect to the same setup with SSLv3 enabled.
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Tobias
hmm..wonder if they are using apple's high security TLS implementation, instead of something interoperability proven like openssl :)
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Tobias
http://monal.im/ wonder how it does both, connect directly and stay open in the background
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intosi
Haven't tried that bit, so no idea if it does.
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Tobias
IIRC Kev mentioned one has to trick around to have even a short background time (i.e. 15 min) on iOS
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Ge0rG
there is only one way to comment on this: goto fail;
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Ge0rG
iOS allows long-running background tasks for voip and some others
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Maranda
Tobias, Monal just doesn't, after the BG task execution hits the timeout it'll disconnect
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Maranda
at least that's how it behaved when I tried it.
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Tobias
Maranda, ahh..ok
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Ge0rG
iOS XMPP clients belong into one of two groups: usability-broken or security-broken
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Tobias
can't they have both broken?
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intosi
Tobias: I'm sure they can.
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simon
Ge0rG has a refreshing way of saying how things are. Nice to have you more involved with the XSF Ge0rG.
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Ge0rG
simon: nobody is served by keeping the truth hidden...
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Maranda
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Maranda
+1 ✏
- Maranda would add also "or plainly-broken"
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Maranda
I have got reports from users of clients on the AppStore which don't work at all.✎ -
Maranda
I have got reports from users of clients on the AppStore that don't work at all. ✏
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Ge0rG
I've got reports from users who fail to connect to yax.im because SSLv3
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Kev
Looking at http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html there seems to be a crazy number of SHOULDs in there that have no business not being MUSTs.
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stpeter
patches welcome :-)
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ralphm
stpeter: ^o^ _o_ ^o^
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ralphm
also, slow clap
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fippo
mh.... I smell bacon
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stpeter
hi
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stpeter
now is the time?
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Kev
So it seems.
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Alex
sorry guys, was on the phone
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Alex
I am prepared now ;-)
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Alex
ok, lets start
- Alex bangs the gavel
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Alex
here is our AGenda for today: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2014-02-27/
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Alex
1) Call for Quorum
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Alex
as you can see 34 members voted via proxy, so we already have a quorum
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Alex
2) Items Subject to a Vote
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Alex
new and returning members, you can see all applicants here: http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q1_2014
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Alex
3) Opportunity for XSF Members to Vote in the Meeting
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Alex
anybody here who has not voted yet?
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Alex
don't think so
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Alex
so I'll shutdown the bot and prepare the results
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stpeter
yay :-)
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Alex
4) Announcement of Voting Results
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Alex
if you reload the page at: http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/meeting-minutes/xsf-member-meeting-2014-02-27/ you can see the reuslts
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Alex
all new and returning members are accepted
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Alex
5) Any Other Business?
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stpeter
hey, who voted against Alex??
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Alex
yes I did
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stpeter
heh
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stpeter
hmm, other business
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stpeter
don't forget to volunteer for the UPnP Liaison Team if you're interested or want to help out
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stpeter
and a big thanks to the new editorial team
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stpeter
nothing else from me at this time, I think
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Alex
ya, I have to check which work I can do for the XSF, not very active any more in teh admin team since the server switch and other changes
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Alex
6) Formal Adjournment
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Alex
I motion that we adjourn
- bear seconds
- Alex bangs the gavel
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MiGri
Alex: thanks
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Alex
thanks guys
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bear
thanks Alex!
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Zash
Thanks Alex
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stpeter
+1
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stpeter
thanks as always to Alex for keeping us in business :-)
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Kev
Quite.
- stpeter wanders off to run an errand and check the XSF postal box while he's out and about