XSF Discussion - 2014-03-03

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  66. Kev What are people's plans for the meeting tomorrow?
  67. Kev I assume they mostly involve precis as well.
  68. Kev Which I thought was in the same room, but seems not to be.
  69. Lloyd Got an announcement regarding transport to the evening meetup going out by email today.
  70. Kev I mean the WG.
  71. Kev Although cool :)
  72. Lloyd (yeah just thought I'd update that bit too)
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  85. dwd Lloyd, You seem to have mis-spelt "Ubber".
  86. dwd is virtually sitting in sipcore.
  87. fippo ugh
  88. dwd I have a horrible feeling our meetings sound this dull to an outsider.
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  90. fippo oh, go to AVTCORE or AVTEXT (-:
  91. Lloyd dwd: As they were providing transport I felt it wouldn't be fair. Florian is coming though so we can refer to it as 'ubber' all we want :)
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  95. fippo "which lends itself to interoperability and federation thinking . things that are a bit less important these days" -- intraoperability is so much more cool, eh dwd? (guess where that is from)
  96. dwd Intra-operability is like masturbation for networked systems.
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  99. Kev No-one has any plans for meeting prior to precis, then?
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  105. ralphm fippo: link?
  106. dwd ralphm, That's from Tsahi's blog.
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  114. ralphm oh man, does that ever stop?
  115. SM Did people give up on the federation angle?
  116. Tobias depends who you mean with people? :)
  117. SM Well, I do not even see StPeter here. So it would be the rest:)
  118. Tobias right..since he's a machine who's 24/7 online
  119. ralphm SM: wait what?
  120. SM Ralph, I wondered whetehr people (undefined) were still pushing for federation
  121. fippo ralphm: when tsahi says "federation" he talks about things like "sip federation" and rcs-e and joyn
  122. fippo which is a frequent misunderstand because we use federation for "run your own server and be part of the network. minimum requirements"
  123. ralphm SM: within the XSF? Mostly everybody.
  124. SM Ralph, the door is still open for doing some PR. It won't last for long
  125. ralphm SM: it's not like we can just pull open a can of PR people.
  126. SM I understand. Just mentioning it.
  127. ralphm SM: it's mostly stating the obvious, no offense. I wish I could find the time to write more, but I have been trying to keep up with Tweets mentioning XMPP and occasionally responding to falsehoods.
  128. ralphm Good writeups would be great.
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  133. Ge0rG are there XMPP-based services that generate large numbers of outgoing messages?
  134. ralphm superfeedr?
  135. ralphm Ge0rG: I can hook you up with julian if you want
  136. Ge0rG ralphm: I'm still pondering about xmpp spam prevention using proof-of-work
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  138. fippo https://www.imperialviolet.org/2014/03/03/triplehandshake.html <-- ugh, this seems like it might affect xmpp, in particular s2s?
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  140. Tobias " and protocols that depend on channel binding"
  141. fippo oh wait, we only use channel binding with scram plus and that is typically not used with client certs?
  142. Ge0rG I still wait for people to realize that client cert handshake is leaking big data
  143. fippo hah. xmpp beats email again ( @ security mailing list)
  144. Tobias what security ml?
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  148. fippo security@xmpp.org
  149. Tobias got into spam :(
  150. Ge0rG there is a security@ ml? wow!
  151. Tobias yeah...low traffic...because XMPP is soooo secure ^^
  152. fippo "[discuss-webrtc] How Do I know If Someon is Online To Take A WebRTC Call?" -- i am tempted to reply "use presence, it's the new dialtone"
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  156. ralphm I hope intosi is reading that list, as he's been looking into dkim issues
  157. ralphm in general, though, gmail and others services don't really like independent mail servers sending out, you know, mai; to them
  158. ralphm mail even
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  160. xnyhps fippo: I think TLS resumptions is a requirement for that attack, and (I'd love to be corrected about this) I don't think anyone in the XMPP world uses that.
  161. xnyhps Because of StartTLS etc.
  162. dwd xnyhps, Actually, it's better than that. You need clients that don't validate certificates and just rely on channel binding.
  163. dwd xnyhps, BTW, if you've got a minute at some point, it'd be great to hear how STRINT went. But not now, because I'm old and need my sleep. :-)
  164. fippo dwd: I heard that strint was rather boring (-:
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  167. xnyhps dwd: Ah, I missed that when I read it.
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  169. ralphm dwd, xnyhps: I think it would be pretty useful to blog this on xmpp.org
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  171. xnyhps I happen to have a series of blog posts about HTTPS attacks and how they translate to XMPP. (Where the "series" is right now at 1 item)
  172. ralphm heh
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  177. ralphm \-
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