Which I thought was in the same room, but seems not to be.
Lloyd
Got an announcement regarding transport to the evening meetup going out by email today.
Kev
I mean the WG.
Kev
Although cool :)
Lloyd
(yeah just thought I'd update that bit too)
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dwd
Lloyd, You seem to have mis-spelt "Ubber".
dwdis virtually sitting in sipcore.
fippo
ugh
dwd
I have a horrible feeling our meetings sound this dull to an outsider.
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fippo
oh, go to AVTCORE or AVTEXT (-:
Lloyd
dwd: As they were providing transport I felt it wouldn't be fair. Florian is coming though so we can refer to it as 'ubber' all we want :)
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fippo
"which lends itself to interoperability and federation thinking . things that are a bit less important these days" -- intraoperability is so much more cool, eh dwd? (guess where that is from)
dwd
Intra-operability is like masturbation for networked systems.
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Kev
No-one has any plans for meeting prior to precis, then?
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ralphm
fippo: link?
dwd
ralphm, That's from Tsahi's blog.
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ralphm
oh man, does that ever stop?
SM
Did people give up on the federation angle?
Tobias
depends who you mean with people? :)
SM
Well, I do not even see StPeter here. So it would be the rest:)
Tobias
right..since he's a machine who's 24/7 online
ralphm
SM: wait what?
SM
Ralph, I wondered whetehr people (undefined) were still pushing for federation
fippo
ralphm: when tsahi says "federation" he talks about things like "sip federation" and rcs-e and joyn
fippo
which is a frequent misunderstand because we use federation for "run your own server and be part of the network. minimum requirements"
ralphm
SM: within the XSF? Mostly everybody.
SM
Ralph, the door is still open for doing some PR. It won't last for long
ralphm
SM: it's not like we can just pull open a can of PR people.
SM
I understand. Just mentioning it.
ralphm
SM: it's mostly stating the obvious, no offense. I wish I could find the time to write more, but I have been trying to keep up with Tweets mentioning XMPP and occasionally responding to falsehoods.
ralphm
Good writeups would be great.
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Ge0rG
are there XMPP-based services that generate large numbers of outgoing messages?
ralphm
superfeedr?
ralphm
Ge0rG: I can hook you up with julian if you want
Ge0rG
ralphm: I'm still pondering about xmpp spam prevention using proof-of-work
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fippo
https://www.imperialviolet.org/2014/03/03/triplehandshake.html <-- ugh, this seems like it might affect xmpp, in particular s2s?
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Tobias
" and protocols that depend on channel binding"
fippo
oh wait, we only use channel binding with scram plus and that is typically not used with client certs?
Ge0rG
I still wait for people to realize that client cert handshake is leaking big data
fippo
hah. xmpp beats email again ( @ security mailing list)
Tobias
what security ml?
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fippo
security@xmpp.org
Tobias
got into spam :(
Ge0rG
there is a security@ ml? wow!
Tobias
yeah...low traffic...because XMPP is soooo secure ^^
fippo
"[discuss-webrtc] How Do I know If Someon is Online To Take A WebRTC Call?" -- i am tempted to reply "use presence, it's the new dialtone"
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ralphm
I hope intosi is reading that list, as he's been looking into dkim issues
ralphm
in general, though, gmail and others services don't really like independent mail servers sending out, you know, mai; to them
ralphm
mail even
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xnyhps
fippo: I think TLS resumptions is a requirement for that attack, and (I'd love to be corrected about this) I don't think anyone in the XMPP world uses that.
xnyhps
Because of StartTLS etc.
dwd
xnyhps, Actually, it's better than that. You need clients that don't validate certificates and just rely on channel binding.
dwd
xnyhps, BTW, if you've got a minute at some point, it'd be great to hear how STRINT went. But not now, because I'm old and need my sleep. :-)
fippo
dwd: I heard that strint was rather boring (-:
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xnyhps
dwd: Ah, I missed that when I read it.
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ralphm
dwd, xnyhps: I think it would be pretty useful to blog this on xmpp.org
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xnyhps
I happen to have a series of blog posts about HTTPS attacks and how they translate to XMPP. (Where the "series" is right now at 1 item)