XSF Discussion - 2014-03-03

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14:08:51 Kev What are people's plans for the meeting tomorrow?
14:09:01 Kev I assume they mostly involve precis as well.
14:09:38 Kev Which I thought was in the same room, but seems not to be.
14:09:47 Lloyd Got an announcement regarding transport to the evening meetup going out by email today.
14:10:29 Kev I mean the WG.
14:10:31 Kev Although cool :)
14:10:43 Lloyd (yeah just thought I'd update that bit too)
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16:42:46 dwd Lloyd, You seem to have mis-spelt "Ubber".
16:43:55 dwd is virtually sitting in sipcore.
16:44:21 fippo ugh
16:44:25 dwd I have a horrible feeling our meetings sound this dull to an outsider.
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16:45:12 fippo oh, go to AVTCORE or AVTEXT (-:
16:48:13 Lloyd dwd: As they were providing transport I felt it wouldn't be fair. Florian is coming though so we can refer to it as 'ubber' all we want :)
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17:37:53 fippo "which lends itself to interoperability and federation thinking . things that are a bit less important these days" -- intraoperability is so much more cool, eh dwd? (guess where that is from)
17:38:36 dwd Intra-operability is like masturbation for networked systems.
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17:42:02 Kev No-one has any plans for meeting prior to precis, then?
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18:21:04 ralphm fippo: link?
18:21:29 dwd ralphm, That's from Tsahi's blog.
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18:52:39 ralphm oh man, does that ever stop?
18:58:15 SM Did people give up on the federation angle?
18:58:38 Tobias depends who you mean with people? :)
19:00:28 SM Well, I do not even see StPeter here. So it would be the rest:)
19:00:51 Tobias right..since he's a machine who's 24/7 online
19:02:43 ralphm SM: wait what?
19:03:38 SM Ralph, I wondered whetehr people (undefined) were still pushing for federation
19:03:56 fippo ralphm: when tsahi says "federation" he talks about things like "sip federation" and rcs-e and joyn
19:04:23 fippo which is a frequent misunderstand because we use federation for "run your own server and be part of the network. minimum requirements"
19:13:32 ralphm SM: within the XSF? Mostly everybody.
19:14:19 SM Ralph, the door is still open for doing some PR. It won't last for long
19:19:11 ralphm SM: it's not like we can just pull open a can of PR people.
19:19:34 SM I understand. Just mentioning it.
19:20:24 ralphm SM: it's mostly stating the obvious, no offense. I wish I could find the time to write more, but I have been trying to keep up with Tweets mentioning XMPP and occasionally responding to falsehoods.
19:20:34 ralphm Good writeups would be great.
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20:21:17 Ge0rG are there XMPP-based services that generate large numbers of outgoing messages?
20:22:18 ralphm superfeedr?
20:24:20 ralphm Ge0rG: I can hook you up with julian if you want
20:25:07 Ge0rG ralphm: I'm still pondering about xmpp spam prevention using proof-of-work
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20:42:04 fippo https://www.imperialviolet.org/2014/03/03/triplehandshake.html <-- ugh, this seems like it might affect xmpp, in particular s2s?
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20:43:58 Tobias " and protocols that depend on channel binding"
20:45:14 fippo oh wait, we only use channel binding with scram plus and that is typically not used with client certs?
20:45:50 Ge0rG I still wait for people to realize that client cert handshake is leaking big data
20:51:01 fippo hah. xmpp beats email again ( @ security mailing list)
20:52:02 Tobias what security ml?
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21:00:35 fippo security@xmpp.org
21:02:01 Tobias got into spam :(
21:05:33 Ge0rG there is a security@ ml? wow!
21:06:25 Tobias yeah...low traffic...because XMPP is soooo secure ^^
21:12:59 fippo "[discuss-webrtc] How Do I know If Someon is Online To Take A WebRTC Call?" -- i am tempted to reply "use presence, it's the new dialtone"
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22:04:01 ralphm I hope intosi is reading that list, as he's been looking into dkim issues
22:05:39 ralphm in general, though, gmail and others services don't really like independent mail servers sending out, you know, mai; to them
22:05:46 ralphm mail even
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22:28:38 xnyhps fippo: I think TLS resumptions is a requirement for that attack, and (I'd love to be corrected about this) I don't think anyone in the XMPP world uses that.
22:28:43 xnyhps Because of StartTLS etc.
22:36:47 dwd xnyhps, Actually, it's better than that. You need clients that don't validate certificates and just rely on channel binding.
22:39:56 dwd xnyhps, BTW, if you've got a minute at some point, it'd be great to hear how STRINT went. But not now, because I'm old and need my sleep. :-)
22:40:43 fippo dwd: I heard that strint was rather boring (-:
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22:51:53 xnyhps dwd: Ah, I missed that when I read it.
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22:55:57 ralphm dwd, xnyhps: I think it would be pretty useful to blog this on xmpp.org
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23:00:57 xnyhps I happen to have a series of blog posts about HTTPS attacks and how they translate to XMPP. (Where the "series" is right now at 1 item)
23:04:43 ralphm heh
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