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Kev
What are people's plans for the meeting tomorrow?
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Kev
I assume they mostly involve precis as well.
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Kev
Which I thought was in the same room, but seems not to be.
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Lloyd
Got an announcement regarding transport to the evening meetup going out by email today.
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Kev
I mean the WG.
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Kev
Although cool :)
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Lloyd
(yeah just thought I'd update that bit too)
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dwd
Lloyd, You seem to have mis-spelt "Ubber".
- dwd is virtually sitting in sipcore.
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fippo
ugh
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dwd
I have a horrible feeling our meetings sound this dull to an outsider.
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fippo
oh, go to AVTCORE or AVTEXT (-:
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Lloyd
dwd: As they were providing transport I felt it wouldn't be fair. Florian is coming though so we can refer to it as 'ubber' all we want :)
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fippo
"which lends itself to interoperability and federation thinking . things that are a bit less important these days" -- intraoperability is so much more cool, eh dwd? (guess where that is from)
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dwd
Intra-operability is like masturbation for networked systems.
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Kev
No-one has any plans for meeting prior to precis, then?
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ralphm
fippo: link?
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dwd
ralphm, That's from Tsahi's blog.
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ralphm
oh man, does that ever stop?
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SM
Did people give up on the federation angle?
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Tobias
depends who you mean with people? :)
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SM
Well, I do not even see StPeter here. So it would be the rest:)
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Tobias
right..since he's a machine who's 24/7 online
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ralphm
SM: wait what?
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SM
Ralph, I wondered whetehr people (undefined) were still pushing for federation
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fippo
ralphm: when tsahi says "federation" he talks about things like "sip federation" and rcs-e and joyn
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fippo
which is a frequent misunderstand because we use federation for "run your own server and be part of the network. minimum requirements"
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ralphm
SM: within the XSF? Mostly everybody.
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SM
Ralph, the door is still open for doing some PR. It won't last for long
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ralphm
SM: it's not like we can just pull open a can of PR people.
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SM
I understand. Just mentioning it.
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ralphm
SM: it's mostly stating the obvious, no offense. I wish I could find the time to write more, but I have been trying to keep up with Tweets mentioning XMPP and occasionally responding to falsehoods.
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ralphm
Good writeups would be great.
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Ge0rG
are there XMPP-based services that generate large numbers of outgoing messages?
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ralphm
superfeedr?
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ralphm
Ge0rG: I can hook you up with julian if you want
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Ge0rG
ralphm: I'm still pondering about xmpp spam prevention using proof-of-work
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fippo
https://www.imperialviolet.org/2014/03/03/triplehandshake.html <-- ugh, this seems like it might affect xmpp, in particular s2s?
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Tobias
" and protocols that depend on channel binding"
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fippo
oh wait, we only use channel binding with scram plus and that is typically not used with client certs?
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Ge0rG
I still wait for people to realize that client cert handshake is leaking big data
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fippo
hah. xmpp beats email again ( @ security mailing list)
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Tobias
what security ml?
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fippo
security@xmpp.org
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Tobias
got into spam :(
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Ge0rG
there is a security@ ml? wow!
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Tobias
yeah...low traffic...because XMPP is soooo secure ^^
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fippo
"[discuss-webrtc] How Do I know If Someon is Online To Take A WebRTC Call?" -- i am tempted to reply "use presence, it's the new dialtone"
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ralphm
I hope intosi is reading that list, as he's been looking into dkim issues
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ralphm
in general, though, gmail and others services don't really like independent mail servers sending out, you know, mai; to them
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ralphm
mail even
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xnyhps
fippo: I think TLS resumptions is a requirement for that attack, and (I'd love to be corrected about this) I don't think anyone in the XMPP world uses that.
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xnyhps
Because of StartTLS etc.
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dwd
xnyhps, Actually, it's better than that. You need clients that don't validate certificates and just rely on channel binding.
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dwd
xnyhps, BTW, if you've got a minute at some point, it'd be great to hear how STRINT went. But not now, because I'm old and need my sleep. :-)
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fippo
dwd: I heard that strint was rather boring (-:
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xnyhps
dwd: Ah, I missed that when I read it.
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ralphm
dwd, xnyhps: I think it would be pretty useful to blog this on xmpp.org
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xnyhps
I happen to have a series of blog posts about HTTPS attacks and how they translate to XMPP. (Where the "series" is right now at 1 item)
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ralphm
heh
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ralphm
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