XSF Discussion - 2014-03-09

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  25. Simon

    Someone threw up XEP 280 onto hacker news this morning https://news.ycombinator.com/

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  27. Kev

    I don't think your comment is entirely accurate, is it?

  28. Kev

    The power cost of 'holding open a socket' is 0, in isolation.

  29. Kev

    It's the traffic that costs you.

  30. Kev

    But I read your comment as generally saying "Yes, Carbons is there, but it's rubbish", which doesn't seem helpful.

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  32. Simon

    Kev: don't know what gave you that impression. I read it as being very much go Carbons!

  33. Kev

    It was the "More background: XMPP is designed around keeping a connection open to the client and pushing through updates and new messages. These assumptions worked well in a desktop environment on a solid TCP connection. But for power, intermittent network, and mobile OS design reason, holding open a socket isn't ideal." line, before pushing Push. It does mention carbons, but I'm not sure that carbons actually does what you say it does :)

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  35. Simon

    " are working hard to make XMPP more mobile friendly." then explaining the background.

  36. Simon

    of course I could have started with carbons + push + mam are pieces of the mobile puzzle.

  37. Simon

    My point is it's nice to see people posting XMPP related topics to HN.

  38. Kev

    It is.

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  41. Tobias

    on the latest comment there ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7367920 ): it'd probably useful to have an informational XEP how to best detect the active client among logged in resources so that a) after receiving 10 messages and sending an answer from one resource the notification on the other clients are cleared and b) you're only notified about new messages at the client you're at. both facebook and hangouts fail at that making all devices ring on a new message (sometimes heavily delayed)

  42. Kev

    We discussed this at the summit.

  43. Kev

    There's a spin-off from the Push stuff to cope with this.

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  60. Zash

    I say!

  61. ralphm

    Maybe those tables should show server versions.

  62. Kev

    It seems useful, potentially.

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  68. Kev

    Zash: I've just noticed that further up that page there's a list of auth mechs. Including SCREAM-SHA-1, which is offered by one server :D

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  70. Kev

    Is that your server? :p

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  72. Tobias

    no scream-plus? :(

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  81. Neustradamus

    if you want: https://gist.github.com/SpaHost/9417886

  82. ralphm

    Neustradamus: you missed the point

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  85. Kev

    Anyone got an idea how long the cache on a domain is in the observatory?

  86. Kev

    Ah. Resubmitting refreshes it, but refreshing the page doesn't. Neat.

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  103. Lance

    aha, a HN link. that's why my customxep repo has been getting a lot of attention today

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  105. Zash

    What kind of attention?

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