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Simon
Someone threw up XEP 280 onto hacker news this morning https://news.ycombinator.com/
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Kev
I don't think your comment is entirely accurate, is it?
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Kev
The power cost of 'holding open a socket' is 0, in isolation.
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Kev
It's the traffic that costs you.
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Kev
But I read your comment as generally saying "Yes, Carbons is there, but it's rubbish", which doesn't seem helpful.
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Simon
Kev: don't know what gave you that impression. I read it as being very much go Carbons!
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Kev
It was the "More background: XMPP is designed around keeping a connection open to the client and pushing through updates and new messages. These assumptions worked well in a desktop environment on a solid TCP connection. But for power, intermittent network, and mobile OS design reason, holding open a socket isn't ideal." line, before pushing Push. It does mention carbons, but I'm not sure that carbons actually does what you say it does :)
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Simon
" are working hard to make XMPP more mobile friendly." then explaining the background.
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Simon
of course I could have started with carbons + push + mam are pieces of the mobile puzzle.
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Simon
My point is it's nice to see people posting XMPP related topics to HN.
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Kev
It is.
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Tobias
on the latest comment there ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7367920 ): it'd probably useful to have an informational XEP how to best detect the active client among logged in resources so that a) after receiving 10 messages and sending an answer from one resource the notification on the other clients are cleared and b) you're only notified about new messages at the client you're at. both facebook and hangouts fail at that making all devices ring on a new message (sometimes heavily delayed)
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Kev
We discussed this at the summit.
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Kev
There's a spin-off from the Push stuff to cope with this.
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Zash
https://xmpp.net/reports.php#sslv3butnottls1
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Zash
I say!
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ralphm
Maybe those tables should show server versions.
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Kev
It seems useful, potentially.
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Kev
Zash: I've just noticed that further up that page there's a list of auth mechs. Including SCREAM-SHA-1, which is offered by one server :D
- Zash whistles innocently
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Kev
Is that your server? :p
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Zash
https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=superhorse.se&type=client
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Tobias
no scream-plus? :(
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Neustradamus
if you want: https://gist.github.com/SpaHost/9417886
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ralphm
Neustradamus: you missed the point
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Kev
Anyone got an idea how long the cache on a domain is in the observatory?
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Kev
Ah. Resubmitting refreshes it, but refreshing the page doesn't. Neat.
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Lance
aha, a HN link. that's why my customxep repo has been getting a lot of attention today
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Zash
What kind of attention?