Flow: I'm going to remove that comment you added, as it's not a 'join project' in any official sense.
Kev
*joint
Kev
And I don't want Carol et al. to think we don't understand GSoC when they judge our ideas page.
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Kev
If anyone has the ability to work out what our number of students was in 2007, please do so. Also, if anyone has the ability to work out our success rates for 2005-2007, please do so. I haven't been able to work out these numbers myself.
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MattJ
Hmm, that was my year as a student :)
MattJ
Kev, we had 6 students in 2007
Kev
Excellent, application updated, thans.
Flow
Kev: Well, if you think it's better to have the comment removed. My idea was to point out the importance of the project.
Kev
All orgs think all their projects are important :)
MattJ
Kev, I think 100% passed that year, but I can't find anything official
MattJ
except that all 6 students uploaded their code here: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2007-xmpp/downloads/list
Kev
Ah.
Kev
I think that answers it, then, ta.
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I've just edited the page to add difficulties (how did I forget that this year?) - please review.
Kev
I'm glad I asked Carol to review it this year; I usually don't.
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Kev
Looking at those OF tasks, I wonder if they aren't both too small to be worth a project on their own. Maybe merging them would make sense.
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MattJ
Kev, I had similar thoughts
MattJ
191 in Prosody would take an afternoon, maybe two for someone who had never written Lua before
MattJ
Maybe a few weeks for someone totally new to programming :)
Kev
MAM is pretty Noddy if you don't do search, and you already have a storage backend, too.
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Kevponders just how vital extensive C++ knowledge and TLS implementation is to a project to map MUC onto Buddycloud.
Kev
Anyone Buddycloudish around who wants to suggest better prereqs for that project?
Kevmakes something up.
Kev
Just done yet another pass over the page.
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Flow
Hmm, maybe we could bundle the xep191 openfire task with xep198 acking-only
Flow
but mam alone should be enough for a gsoc project, even if openfire has already the archiviing backend
Flow
but it's up to dwd to decide
Flow
I don't do much openfire development any more
Kev
MAM's fairly straightforward on the server, other than efficient storage, and searching. Actually harder on the client.
Kev
But sure, adding sensible 198 support might be a reasonable pairing for 191.
Flow
daniel: do you think the axolotl conversations project could also produce a rough draft how to embed axolotl in XMPP?
Flow
someting like a pre-draft-spec-xep
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I hope that axoltol is able to solve all the issue we have with otr in xmpp
Flow
until then i use openpg
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Kev
I was wondering about an axalotl project for Swift, but it wasn't obvious to me that there was a C or C++ library.
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Kev
BTW - please no-one edit the wiki page from now on.
Kevvanishes
Kev
Application is in, ideas page is up, nothing to do but wait, and spend the evening fretting that I messed something up.
MattJ
It'll be just fine :)
MattJ
Thanks for putting it all together
Flow
yeah, thanks Kev for setting the page and uplication up
Flow
Hope we'll get accepted
Flow
In that context: Was there a year where an XSF application was not accepted?
daniel
Flow: to extend the project? or you afraid that the project is too small?
Flow
daniel: No, to improve interoperability between an axolotl enabled conversations and another xmpp client
daniel
Flow: I mean in the end this is of course the expected outcome. but I was more or less going to write this myself with maybe some other people who are interested
Flow
and to have some written up for other dev who want to implement
Flow
something that eventually ends in an xep
daniel
Flow: yes an xep is of course what I'm trying to accomplish
Flow
allright :)
daniel
but I was afraid this might be too much for gsoc
Flow
bbl
Flow
uh, that's why I said, rough draft, pre-spec, just something written up that is not source code
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Kev
GSoC shouldn't involve writing specs, it's specifically summer of /code/, not documentation. It's fine to do a little spec work in there, but a XEP shouldn't be a significant part.
Kev
Well, we're past the deadline now. So I hope everything went ok.
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And to the earlier question - there hasn't /yet/ been a year that we've applied and not been accepted, that I can remember. But rather than treating that as a good sign that we should be accepted, I'm afraid it's more of a sign that we're due a year where we don't make the cut.
Kev
Also - I wonder why the room is kicking me out.
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MattJ
Kev, your leaving didn't include a message from the server, so I'm inclined to think it wasn't "kicking" (if that helps)
Kev
Hmm. Well' it wasn't triggered by my client at least. I'm not entirely sure what my server might be doing to make me leave the room.