XSF Discussion - 2015-10-16

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07:26:44 Zash Ge0rG: inline signing, s/in/on/ ?
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07:35:32 Zash Haven't seen inline before in this context, but it sounds like you mean online signing
07:36:52 xnyhps Zash: Well the BIND feature really appears to be called "inline-signing"
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07:42:16 Zash I think PowerDNS calls it online signing
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07:46:50 dwd Ge0rG, That blog post looks good. I might have to try it all out; there's a free DNSSEC anycast slave service run by a guy I know that I've been meaning to use.
07:48:20 Kevish "I know a guy"
07:49:08 dwd Exactly.
07:49:31 intosi I have been using inline signing in BIND for quite a while now. Very useful.
07:52:01 Zash I do offline signing, in which the signatures are embedded in the zone file. Almost like they are inlined. Imagine my confusion.
07:52:43 dwd Kevish, Been thinking about PEP, MUC2/MIX, and MAM, BTW - I think we need a way to distinguish between ephemeral and whatever-the-opposite-of-that-is events. I think MAM currently distinguishes these purely on the basis of containing a <body/>, but I think the reality is more complex than that.
07:53:14 Zash Not sure how you would use a slave server with online signing
07:54:29 Zash dwd: Stanza profiles?
07:55:53 dwd Possibly, but I think it might need per-event processing. If MUC2/MIX sends real message stanzas (as opposed to pubsub events) it's simpler, but otherwise non of those will be captured by MAM.
07:55:55 Kevish dwd: Could be.
07:56:02 Zash I kinda wanted to use type == chat or has body
07:56:30 dwd Zash, I would prefer as simple a rule as possible, as well.
07:56:47 Zash Currently enjoying my archive being 90% chat states
07:56:59 ralphm hehe
07:57:02 Kevish But isn't that useful?
07:57:14 Kevish I'd have thought it'd be important to know that before they sent am essage, your contact started typing it.
07:57:32 Kevish Useful detection that your contact isn't a bot, for example.
07:57:39 Zash I'd like to say in the mam query 'only messages with a body, please'
07:58:03 Kevish Zash: Nothing stops your server offering such a thing.
07:58:22 Kevish Given the data forms.
07:58:31 dwd Zash, Well, that's another issue - filtered MAM queries, since you want to have clients pull, say, geoloc events as well as chat.
07:58:44 Kevish Yeah, we've got that already.
07:58:54 Kevish Just shove whatever you want in a data form.
07:59:06 Zash Kevish: my laziness and desire for a simple implementation does
07:59:06 Kevish And then, if necessary, standardise the form fields.
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07:59:24 dwd Kevish, I'm not claiming it's difficult to do.
07:59:36 dwd Kevish, Just claiming that we'll need to address these things.
08:00:02 Kevish Right, I was saying that we have addressed 'these things' as much as we need to generally.
08:00:17 Kevish And it's just a case of speccing (or not) each individual thing that needs handling.
08:00:17 ralphm what about things like pubsub notifications with body elements for clients dat don't support pubsub?
08:00:32 ralphm I've seen useful applications of that, using type=chat, too, by the way.
08:00:59 Kevish ralphm: I think that in this day and age that's a bad thing, because it's going to mess with so much.
08:01:06 ralphm (I suppose I'm not opposed to MAMing pubsub, but hey, I wanted to bring it up)
08:01:10 Kevish (Outside closed systems that can do whatever they want)
08:01:19 Zash ralphm: PubSub has stuff for configuring that right ?
08:01:36 ralphm Zash: the protocol might have. Implementations, I don't know.
08:01:54 dwd There is, of course, the <no-store/> hint.
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14:47:19 Ge0rG Zash: re DNSSEC online/inline signing, you can also run a hidden primary that does the signing...
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15:01:04 Zash Ge0rG: I could, I have two slaves.
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15:06:51 Ge0rG Zash: sex slaves, I hope.
15:15:00 Kevish Inappropriate.
15:16:11 Zash I'm sorry. I'll guess it's my head when the robot revolution comes
15:23:54 Ge0rG Kevish: sorry. I tried hard to come up with a good SJW argument and failed.
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15:32:11 Zash The menu on new.xmpp.org doesn't appear to work on my phone
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16:05:12 Ge0rG Dear HN sock puppets, ehrm... I mean, dear proponents of XMPP on HN, please contribute to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10400184 / http://op-co.de/blog/posts/yax_im_dnssec/
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16:38:57 SamWhited 'dat HN title...
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16:42:48 Ge0rG SamWhited: it's the post title, and HN policy is not to edit titles.
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16:45:58 SamWhited Is it? I feel like most HN posts have a descriptive title... interesting.
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16:55:33 Ge0rG SamWhited: probably because the original titles are descriptive as well.
16:55:37 intosi Looks like people are playing techno buzz bingo on HN
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16:56:04 Ge0rG intosi : yes they are.
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17:07:52 ralphm Given that the article has 'I' in there, who wrote it? Why isn't the author's name visible near the post?
17:08:44 ralphm Ge0rG: (I assume it was you)
17:09:34 Ge0rG ralphm: I did. It's on my personal blog, which is based on ikiwiki, which is rather arcane.
17:10:00 ralphm Ge0rG: you can't get an author's name in there anywhere, but have funky titles with mixed markup?
17:10:31 Ge0rG ralphm: there is no mixed markup in the title. the long version of the title is merely bold text.
17:11:01 ralphm Oh, I thought the subtitle was a separate thing
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20:32:15 SamWhited Just submitted a new protoxep for something at work; if anyone's an XML schema expert, would you mind reviewing? I just copy/pasted from another spec and changed the namespaces/element names; no clue if it's remotely correct: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/110
20:33:17 SamWhited more direct link: https://github.com/hipchat/xeps/blob/attach_to/inbox/attachto.xml#L156
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20:35:32 Kev Schemas for Experimental are optional.
20:37:06 SamWhited Oh, that makes sense; shouldn't have bothered. Oh well.
20:37:16 Kev Saves you time later.
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