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Zash
Ge0rG: inline signing, s/in/on/ ?
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Zash
Haven't seen inline before in this context, but it sounds like you mean online signing
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xnyhps
Zash: Well the BIND feature really appears to be called "inline-signing"
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Zash
I think PowerDNS calls it online signing
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dwd
Ge0rG, That blog post looks good. I might have to try it all out; there's a free DNSSEC anycast slave service run by a guy I know that I've been meaning to use.
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Kevish
"I know a guy"
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dwd
Exactly.
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intosi
I have been using inline signing in BIND for quite a while now. Very useful.
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Zash
I do offline signing, in which the signatures are embedded in the zone file. Almost like they are inlined. Imagine my confusion.
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dwd
Kevish, Been thinking about PEP, MUC2/MIX, and MAM, BTW - I think we need a way to distinguish between ephemeral and whatever-the-opposite-of-that-is events. I think MAM currently distinguishes these purely on the basis of containing a <body/>, but I think the reality is more complex than that.
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Zash
Not sure how you would use a slave server with online signing
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Zash
dwd: Stanza profiles?
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dwd
Possibly, but I think it might need per-event processing. If MUC2/MIX sends real message stanzas (as opposed to pubsub events) it's simpler, but otherwise non of those will be captured by MAM.
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Kevish
dwd: Could be.
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Zash
I kinda wanted to use type == chat or has body
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dwd
Zash, I would prefer as simple a rule as possible, as well.
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Zash
Currently enjoying my archive being 90% chat states
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ralphm
hehe
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Kevish
But isn't that useful?
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Kevish
I'd have thought it'd be important to know that before they sent am essage, your contact started typing it.
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Kevish
Useful detection that your contact isn't a bot, for example.
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Zash
I'd like to say in the mam query 'only messages with a body, please'
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Kevish
Zash: Nothing stops your server offering such a thing.
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Kevish
Given the data forms.
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dwd
Zash, Well, that's another issue - filtered MAM queries, since you want to have clients pull, say, geoloc events as well as chat.
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Kevish
Yeah, we've got that already.
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Kevish
Just shove whatever you want in a data form.
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Zash
Kevish: my laziness and desire for a simple implementation does
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Kevish
And then, if necessary, standardise the form fields.
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dwd
Kevish, I'm not claiming it's difficult to do.
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dwd
Kevish, Just claiming that we'll need to address these things.
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Kevish
Right, I was saying that we have addressed 'these things' as much as we need to generally.
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Kevish
And it's just a case of speccing (or not) each individual thing that needs handling.
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ralphm
what about things like pubsub notifications with body elements for clients dat don't support pubsub?
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ralphm
I've seen useful applications of that, using type=chat, too, by the way.
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Kevish
ralphm: I think that in this day and age that's a bad thing, because it's going to mess with so much.
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ralphm
(I suppose I'm not opposed to MAMing pubsub, but hey, I wanted to bring it up)
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Kevish
(Outside closed systems that can do whatever they want)
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Zash
ralphm: PubSub has stuff for configuring that right ?
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ralphm
Zash: the protocol might have. Implementations, I don't know.
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dwd
There is, of course, the <no-store/> hint.
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Ge0rG
Zash: re DNSSEC online/inline signing, you can also run a hidden primary that does the signing...
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Zash
Ge0rG: I could, I have two slaves.
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Ge0rG
Zash: sex slaves, I hope.
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Kevish
Inappropriate.
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Zash
I'm sorry. I'll guess it's my head when the robot revolution comes
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Ge0rG
Kevish: sorry. I tried hard to come up with a good SJW argument and failed.
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Zash
The menu on new.xmpp.org doesn't appear to work on my phone
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Ge0rG
Dear HN sock puppets, ehrm... I mean, dear proponents of XMPP on HN, please contribute to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10400184 / http://op-co.de/blog/posts/yax_im_dnssec/
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SamWhited
'dat HN title...
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Ge0rG
SamWhited: it's the post title, and HN policy is not to edit titles.
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SamWhited
Is it? I feel like most HN posts have a descriptive title... interesting.
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Ge0rG
SamWhited: probably because the original titles are descriptive as well.
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intosi
Looks like people are playing techno buzz bingo on HN
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Ge0rG
intosi : yes they are.
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ralphm
Given that the article has 'I' in there, who wrote it? Why isn't the author's name visible near the post?
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ralphm
Ge0rG: (I assume it was you)
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Ge0rG
ralphm: I did. It's on my personal blog, which is based on ikiwiki, which is rather arcane.
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ralphm
Ge0rG: you can't get an author's name in there anywhere, but have funky titles with mixed markup?
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Ge0rG
ralphm: there is no mixed markup in the title. the long version of the title is merely bold text.
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ralphm
Oh, I thought the subtitle was a separate thing
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SamWhited
Just submitted a new protoxep for something at work; if anyone's an XML schema expert, would you mind reviewing? I just copy/pasted from another spec and changed the namespaces/element names; no clue if it's remotely correct: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/110
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SamWhited
more direct link: https://github.com/hipchat/xeps/blob/attach_to/inbox/attachto.xml#L156
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Kev
Schemas for Experimental are optional.
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SamWhited
Oh, that makes sense; shouldn't have bothered. Oh well.
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Kev
Saves you time later.