Does anyone know how much XEP-0090, XEP-0091, and for that matter XEP-0078 is actually used in the field?
mathieui
I don’t think I’ve ever seen 0078 used
Kevish
I would assume that 90 and 91 must have mostly gone away by now. But I could be wrong.
Kevish
78, no clue.
dwd
Reason I'm asking is because I've a PR to remove the first two, and a suggestion to remove '78.
Kevish
I'd be inclined to accept the PR. I'm much less sure about 78.
mathieui
last time I have needed to care about 90/91 was like 4 years ago, but I have no clue about real-world usage
goffithink a caniuse like site for XMPP would be nice
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Flow
dwd: I've removed support for xep78 in Smack a few months ago. As of xep90: Smack understands it, i.e. there is a compatibility layer, but does not "speak" it. xep91 is fully supported.
Flow
dwd: I'm all for removing obsolete stuff
Flow
You don't want to carry this around for long in open source projects with limited man power.
Flow
Especially for xep78: Removing it made the Smack code so much more readable.
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Ge0rG
I was recently asked to recommend end-to-end secure chat clients... is there something besides of conversations? Does Swift support OTR?
Tobias
it does not
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goffi
We do support OTR
goffi
and planning to add OMEMO at some point
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Ge0rG
goffi: who is "we"?
goffi
Ge0rG: http://salut-a-toi.org
goffi
but kind of use is it for ? Desktop ? Mobile ? Web ?
Ge0rG
yet another android client... :>
Ge0rG
goffi: I was asked by somebody preparing info material for normal people.
goffi
planed but not started yet
Ge0rG
I had to say there is no decent XMPP client for iOS....
goffi
ok, it's still a bit a early for general audience
goffi
we need to stabilise before
goffi
but we are soon. And we can do iOS too, we are more blocked by Apple policy than by technical reasons
goffi
s/but we are soon/but we are close/
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arune
goffi: the link to the campaign does not work?
goffi
hum, it should, I check that
arune
I end up here: https://www.arizuka.com/en-gb/projects/libervia/
arune
"Désolé, cette page n'existe pas !"
goffi
it's working here
goffi
en-gb ???
goffi
should be /en/
goffi
where did you get that link ?
intosi
I received the same one from salut-a-toi.org
goffi
ouch, I'll check that, thanks for the report
intosi
It's using the preferred browser language in the URL.
dwd
en-cy-like
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goffi
intosi: arune: campain link should be fixed now
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intosi
Looks like it works.
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goffi
cool
Ge0rG
winfried: FYI: I've got an okay from my boss to dedicate some time to the capptain thing...
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Flow
Ge0rG: capptain thing?
Ge0rG
Flow: https://xmpp.net/result.php?id=36460 - I noticed a connection to that server from one of the android apps I have installed
Flow
Ahh, so you want to investigate on their security?
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Ge0rG
Flow: actually I want to see what kind of data they are sniffing out of me
Ge0rG
Flow: the goal is to make a security analysis report
Flow
Ge0rG: What's you approach? Hooking into Android via e.g. Xposed?
Ge0rG
Flow: Nah, too sophisticated. I'll do a MitM and eat my hat if they check certificates.
Flow
Pics or it didn't happen
Flow
And Xposed ain't that sophisticated :)
Flow
In the news "Security researcher eats own hat after discovering an app which verifies certificates"
Ge0rG
haha
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Ge0rG: You have hats?
Ge0rG
Zash: I've got one.
Ge0rG
and it's black! MUHAHAHAHAA!
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Laura
Hey folks, online ready for the first Board meeting with the new Board
stpeter
hi Laura!
stpeter
I'm not sure that we told the new board that we're meeting
stpeter
and I need to add Arc Riley to the board@xmpp.org list
stpeter
so let me do that
stpeter
(and remove Adam)
Laura
Also add Bear, and remove Simon
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Laura
And that is a very good point.
Laura
We may have to postpone our first meeting, unless the power of my mind summons everyone needed to this space…
Laura
I wonder if we have any Board folk here
intosi
Lots of bystanders ;)
Laura
Watching me make a total mess of our first meeting…
ralphm
I am here
ralphm
Watching, too, of course
Laura
Thanks Ralphm!
stpeter
nod
ralphm
seriously, though, I didn't really expect the meeting to happen
ralphm
I was about to ask if the board list had been updated
Laura
Then lets leave it for today - stpeter when the list is updated can you confirm, and I will email a meeting request?
Laura
I am useless… can't believe people didn't just guess the right time/date...
dwd
Laura, Emerging from under a warm dog - it'd be worthwhile putting out a call for minute-taking volunteers, too.
Laura
Yup yup, will do. Will draft an email when the Board list is ready, and get ready Trello etc updated and ready for handover to new Board / Chair
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stpeter
sorry about that, I was on a bizdev call
ralphm
Laura: what do you mean handover
stpeter
I've updated the roster for the board@ list - removed Adam, Will, Simon, and Kev (as Council chair) and added Arc, Bear, and Dave
intosi
stpeter: make sure to add Dave twice.
ralphm
stpeter: thanks!
stpeter
intosi: from work and home addresses?
stpeter
intosi: or also to Council?
ralphm
intosi: has the Council made Dave chair then? Missed that.
intosi
Not as far as I'm aware.
Laura
I think the point was to add Dave to both, as he is on both. We will need to add Council Chair when one has been elected
stpeter
right exactly
stpeter
first Council meeting is next Wednesday, December 1st
Laura
Thanks stpeter - I will get the email sent out
stpeter
you're the best!
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Kevish
"You have been unsubscribed from the Board mailing list" Sadface.
dwd
ralphm, Gosh, I hope not.
Kevish
(I think I'm technically still the Council Chair until a new one is elected, but it probably doesn't matter much)
ralphm
Kevish: there there
dwd
Kevish, I don't know actually. I know that's true for Board, where the Chair needn't be an elected Board member. Not so sure it works the same way for Council.
Kevish
I'll resist the temptation to check :)
ralphm
I read the bylaws, and it only says: “The individuals elected to the XMPP Council shall, by an affirmative majority vote of those present and voting, appoint the chair of such Council.”
ralphm
And that all participants must be members.
ralphm
So I am willing to go with Kevish' version
Kevish
On the topic of scribing, I'm not sure it makes a huge difference (other than to the individual's workload) whether the chair scribes, or it gets farmed out (for either Board or Council).
Kevish
It's easier to scribe by going through the logs in your own time than trying to keep up during a meeting anyway, and at that point it makes little difference.
Kevish
A significant advantage of using MUCs for this stuff, rather than unlogged comms.
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ralphm
Kevish: definitely
ralphm
Kevish: I just had a great new use case that should be nice to handle in MUC2: incident alerting rendered in a side bar
ralphm
Kevish: so it does not disturb the conversation, but is still highly visible
Kevish
It's just another node :)
Kevish
So I think it slips nicelyand naturally into the model.
Kevish
stpeter: On that, I *think* I'm waiting for your thoughts on me updating your update to my update to MUC2.
Kevish
We could just submit as-is, but some of the changes seem to be significant enough that we wouldn't want to encourage implementation testing of the current doc when we know the changes that're on the way.