dwdDoes anyone know how much XEP-0090, XEP-0091, and for that matter XEP-0078 is actually used in the field?
mathieuiI don’t think I’ve ever seen 0078 used
KevishI would assume that 90 and 91 must have mostly gone away by now. But I could be wrong.
Kevish78, no clue.
dwdReason I'm asking is because I've a PR to remove the first two, and a suggestion to remove '78.
KevishI'd be inclined to accept the PR. I'm much less sure about 78.
mathieuilast time I have needed to care about 90/91 was like 4 years ago, but I have no clue about real-world usage
goffithink a caniuse like site for XMPP would be nice
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Flowdwd: I've removed support for xep78 in Smack a few months ago. As of xep90: Smack understands it, i.e. there is a compatibility layer, but does not "speak" it. xep91 is fully supported.
Flowdwd: I'm all for removing obsolete stuff
FlowYou don't want to carry this around for long in open source projects with limited man power.
FlowEspecially for xep78: Removing it made the Smack code so much more readable.
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Ge0rGI was recently asked to recommend end-to-end secure chat clients... is there something besides of conversations? Does Swift support OTR?
Tobiasit does not
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goffiWe do support OTR
goffiand planning to add OMEMO at some point
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Ge0rGgoffi: who is "we"?
goffiGe0rG: http://salut-a-toi.org
goffibut kind of use is it for ? Desktop ? Mobile ? Web ?
Ge0rGyet another android client... :>
Ge0rGgoffi: I was asked by somebody preparing info material for normal people.
goffiplaned but not started yet
Ge0rGI had to say there is no decent XMPP client for iOS....
goffiok, it's still a bit a early for general audience
goffiwe need to stabilise before
goffibut we are soon. And we can do iOS too, we are more blocked by Apple policy than by technical reasons
goffis/but we are soon/but we are close/
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arunegoffi: the link to the campaign does not work?
goffihum, it should, I check that
aruneI end up here: https://www.arizuka.com/en-gb/projects/libervia/
arune"Désolé, cette page n'existe pas !"
goffiit's working here
goffien-gb ???
goffishould be /en/
goffiwhere did you get that link ?
intosiI received the same one from salut-a-toi.org
goffiouch, I'll check that, thanks for the report
intosiIt's using the preferred browser language in the URL.
dwden-cy-like
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goffiintosi: arune: campain link should be fixed now
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intosiLooks like it works.
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gofficool
Ge0rGwinfried: FYI: I've got an okay from my boss to dedicate some time to the capptain thing...
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FlowGe0rG: capptain thing?
Ge0rGFlow: https://xmpp.net/result.php?id=36460 - I noticed a connection to that server from one of the android apps I have installed
FlowAhh, so you want to investigate on their security?
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Ge0rGFlow: actually I want to see what kind of data they are sniffing out of me
Ge0rGFlow: the goal is to make a security analysis report
FlowGe0rG: What's you approach? Hooking into Android via e.g. Xposed?
Ge0rGFlow: Nah, too sophisticated. I'll do a MitM and eat my hat if they check certificates.
FlowPics or it didn't happen
FlowAnd Xposed ain't that sophisticated :)
FlowIn the news "Security researcher eats own hat after discovering an app which verifies certificates"
Ge0rGhaha
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ZashGe0rG: You have hats?
Ge0rGZash: I've got one.
Ge0rGand it's black! MUHAHAHAHAA!
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LauraHey folks, online ready for the first Board meeting with the new Board
stpeterhi Laura!
stpeterI'm not sure that we told the new board that we're meeting
stpeterand I need to add Arc Riley to the board@xmpp.org list
stpeterso let me do that
stpeter(and remove Adam)
LauraAlso add Bear, and remove Simon
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LauraAnd that is a very good point.
LauraWe may have to postpone our first meeting, unless the power of my mind summons everyone needed to this space…
LauraI wonder if we have any Board folk here
intosiLots of bystanders ;)
LauraWatching me make a total mess of our first meeting…
ralphmI am here
ralphmWatching, too, of course
LauraThanks Ralphm!
stpeternod
ralphmseriously, though, I didn't really expect the meeting to happen
ralphmI was about to ask if the board list had been updated
LauraThen lets leave it for today - stpeter when the list is updated can you confirm, and I will email a meeting request?
LauraI am useless… can't believe people didn't just guess the right time/date...
dwdLaura, Emerging from under a warm dog - it'd be worthwhile putting out a call for minute-taking volunteers, too.
LauraYup yup, will do. Will draft an email when the Board list is ready, and get ready Trello etc updated and ready for handover to new Board / Chair
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stpetersorry about that, I was on a bizdev call
ralphmLaura: what do you mean handover
stpeterI've updated the roster for the board@ list - removed Adam, Will, Simon, and Kev (as Council chair) and added Arc, Bear, and Dave
intosistpeter: make sure to add Dave twice.
ralphmstpeter: thanks!
stpeterintosi: from work and home addresses?
stpeterintosi: or also to Council?
ralphmintosi: has the Council made Dave chair then? Missed that.
intosiNot as far as I'm aware.
LauraI think the point was to add Dave to both, as he is on both. We will need to add Council Chair when one has been elected
stpeterright exactly
stpeterfirst Council meeting is next Wednesday, December 1st
LauraThanks stpeter - I will get the email sent out
stpeteryou're the best!
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Kevish"You have been unsubscribed from the Board mailing list" Sadface.
dwdralphm, Gosh, I hope not.
Kevish(I think I'm technically still the Council Chair until a new one is elected, but it probably doesn't matter much)
ralphmKevish: there there
dwdKevish, I don't know actually. I know that's true for Board, where the Chair needn't be an elected Board member. Not so sure it works the same way for Council.
KevishI'll resist the temptation to check :)
ralphmI read the bylaws, and it only says: “The individuals elected to the XMPP Council shall, by an affirmative majority vote of those present and voting, appoint the chair of such Council.”
ralphmAnd that all participants must be members.
ralphmSo I am willing to go with Kevish' version
KevishOn the topic of scribing, I'm not sure it makes a huge difference (other than to the individual's workload) whether the chair scribes, or it gets farmed out (for either Board or Council).
KevishIt's easier to scribe by going through the logs in your own time than trying to keep up during a meeting anyway, and at that point it makes little difference.
KevishA significant advantage of using MUCs for this stuff, rather than unlogged comms.
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ralphmKevish: definitely
ralphmKevish: I just had a great new use case that should be nice to handle in MUC2: incident alerting rendered in a side bar
ralphmKevish: so it does not disturb the conversation, but is still highly visible
KevishIt's just another node :)
KevishSo I think it slips nicelyand naturally into the model.
Kevishstpeter: On that, I *think* I'm waiting for your thoughts on me updating your update to my update to MUC2.
KevishWe could just submit as-is, but some of the changes seem to be significant enough that we wouldn't want to encourage implementation testing of the current doc when we know the changes that're on the way.
stpeterKevish: yes I remembered that over the weekend.
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