Why haven't you signed up for the XMPP Summit yet?
ralphm
http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summit_19
winfried
hey, I have signed up!
dwd
http://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mix.html
goffi
hi
goffi
it the mix proposal the MUC2 people are talking about for a while ?
Kev
Yes.
goffi
oki cool
goffi
it's good to have published it before summit
daniel
Should this be put on the official agenda for the summit?
mathieui
when do we get https & hsts on xmpp.org? :)
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dwd
mathieui, HTTPS works; I'm not sure HSTS would be a universal benefit.
goffi
dwd: have you seen my email on standard ? The diff tool is bugged in HTTPS
dwd
mathieui, I mean, https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mix.html works fine, but there is a slight risk that banning http entirely might lead to us preventing some access. OTOH, we should probably switch to using the HTTPS URI throughout.
dwd
goffi, Ah, OK. That's a problem we should certainly address, then.
goffi
it's probably not a big deal, but I'm not the only one with HTTPS eveywhere
mathieui
dwd, well, for the wiki it would probably be
dwd
goffi, I think it's that the stylesheet is accessed over HTTP, so maybe it's not loaded for security reasons?
Holger
goffi: PubSub without MAM doesn't just miss a search feature but also result set paging à la XEP-0059, no?
xnyhps
JS on the diff pages is blocked as it's mixed content.
mathieui
(I mean, wiki.xmpp.org doesn’t have a valid-matching certificate)
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winfried
dwd: are you planning to come to Summit 19 / Fosdem?
winfried
and are there any Yetis coming over this year?
dwd
Yes. Got at least one FOSDEM talk.
dwd
And I don't know of any, yet.
winfried
really would like to have a chat with some of the ppl behind talky.io...
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fippo
winfried: talk to lance
fippo
but he isn't coming
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winfried
OK, will do
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goffi
dwd: maybe, both chromium and iceweasel don't work with https diff
goffi
Holger: XEP-0059 is mentionned in XEP-0060
goffi
we can use it without MAM
Holger
"Oh!" Nice.
goffi
we do actually in our static blog: https://libervia.org/blog/salut-a-toi
goffi
RSM is used for the "get older post" link
goffi
oups this one has just one post, this one has more: https://libervia.org/blog/goffi
goffi
s/"get older post"/"older messages"
Holger
XEP-0060 keeps including things I could swear it didn't include last time I read it!
dwd
Holger, It recursively includes itself.
dwd
Holger, Pubsub all the way down.
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Holger
:-)
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ralphm
fippo: and you?
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dwd
ralphm, fippo isn't a Yeti anymore.
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intosi
Holger: having worked with 60 for a long time, I know the feeling ;)
Zash
So it's in some kind of superposition and every time you observe it it collapses into a slightly different document?
intosi
Exactly that. Depends on the reason why you're observing it, even.
Zash
Which reminds me, how much dust are the paper towers we cut it up into under now? :)
intosi
ralphm?
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ralphm
dwd: I know this, still would like to have him there
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ralphm
Zash: still in the envelopes, so no dust
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dwd
It's nice to have an argument with fippo on standards@ again. Brings back happy memories. :-)
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MattJ
:)
stpeter
hehehe
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moparisthebest
a new pgp xep, I like
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Laura
Getting the Trello Board ready for the first Board meeting of 2016: https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
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stpeter
thanks Laura!
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bear
laura - I have to be in another meeting in 5 minutes so I will be lurking - the website should be ready this week after I meet with the iteam to give them (or install) the redirects I almost have finished. apologies for the very last minute update.
Kev
bear: Thanks for doing the work. I'll try to do whatever's needful when you're ready.
bear
kev - no worries, it's going to be a file that can be included into an nginx config
Laura
Thanks Bear
bear
(as that is how i'm testing it)
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Laura
Ok folks, do we have anyone else from the Board here?
dwd
Yup.
dwd
ralphm ?
ralphm
I'm here
Laura
Great, that's enough to kick off!
Laura
*bangs gavel*
Let’s start the meeting!
Laura
Agenda, which as always is driven from Trello: https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
1. Topics for decision
2. Review commitment list (what did people commit to do at the last meeting, and what is the progress )
3. Review items for discussion (for post-meeting conversation/discussion)
4. AOB
5. Time and date of next
Laura
1. Topics…
Laura
I can see 2 - the first of which Bear has just updated us on (the website - for minute purposes - it's nearly there. Bear is just finishing the redirects)
dwd
The Summit needs a load of decisions and actions, I think.
Laura
The other… the summit. ralphm - do you need anything from the Board on this?
dwd
ralphm, You need a decision on the van hire, as usual?
Laura
Do we need to agree an overall budget?
Laura
Instead of individual asks?
dwd
That also works. Can we remember last year's budget?
stpeter
Laura: I have not looked into D&O insurance yet, so I have nothing to report
Laura
Thanks Peter - not wuite there yet but I will take hat note
Laura
dwd - I am not aware of what the budget was. ralphm or stpeter?
dwd
OK. So let's assume we pick a working budget of €1500. I think that should cover the dinner, lunch costs, dinner transport, etc quite easily, and we should recover at least some of that via remaining hoody sales, sponsorship, etc.
Kev
Although I think a later item might affect that.
Laura
I;m not sure anyone else is actually here dwd!
Laura
But I would prefer to approve a budget, rather than each expense
dwd
Kev, Ah, true.
bear
i'm +1 to having the baseline budget be equal to last years as a start
ralphm
I never looked at the full budget
ralphm
I assume dwd's estimate is valid
Laura
I wonder if stpeter can shine a light?
dwd
bear, I've no immediate record of last year's to hand. But 2012 costs were €4,620 back when we splurged on busses and pizza, and includes a stock of t-shirts.
dwd
Actually, I have 2013 to hand.
dwd
Which totalled about 3k including beanbags, t-shirts, and a bus trip.
dwd
I think we did last year in less.
dwd
No, that's 2014, not 2013.
Laura
Ok, based on that - are the Board happy to approve an initial budget of €1,500for the Summit, which we can review as we go?
dwd
But anyway, I think €1,500 is a reasonable starter budget.
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bear
+1
Laura
dwd / ralphm ?
dwd
However, I'd like to suggest we accept requests to subsidize attendance in return for volunteering effort - for example, for taking minutes for the Summit. That'd be in addition to this budget. I'm thinking primarily students and similar.
dwd
Oh, +1 to that starter budget.
Laura
That's 3 votes, so we have a majority. Initial budget of €1,500 approved.
Laura
What else is on the summit list?
dwd
Booking dinner, Cisco offices, transport to dinner, subsidizing people if we want to.
dwd
Oh and merchandise if we want it.
Laura
Do we have ralphm here or has he been pulled away? I know he usually coordinates things?
ralphm
+1
ralphm
I have arranged cisco offices as the summit venue
Laura
Oh good!
ralphm
i.e. Chris has said this should be ok
ralphm
I will also be receiving a batch of stickers
ralphm
(from Flow)
bear
I was wondering if that sticker order went thru
Laura
Good stuff. Dinner and dinner sponsors… dwd?
dwd
I can't easily arrange dinner, but I suppose I can poke people for dinner sponsorship.
Laura
Who can we ask to help with dinner booking?
dwd
Ideally a Belgian or a Dutchman. But it doesn't have to be someone on the Board - it might be best if we put out a mail asking members for help with arranging things, actually.
Laura
dwd - that seems sensible. If we have a list, then ask for help with that list - people can offer to help with certain items?
ralphm
I can call them
dwd
Yeah. That works for me.
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dwd
ralphm, You sure? I'm concious we're putting nearly everything on your plate.
Kev
SuperRalph.
Laura
I need to wrap up soon (sorry guys, restricted by time tonight and we are nearly at 30 minutes already) but dwd - are you happy to send the email to members, if we can draw up a list now?
ralphm
dwd: it is just a simple call, no?
dwd
Yeah. What night are we picking.
ralphm
Did it last year, too
ralphm
I'd say thursday
dwd
Sounds good to me.
Kev
Between the two summit days has a lot of merit for idea discussion.
Kev
(So: Sounds good to me)
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ralphm
I'd also like to request everyone to register at http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summit_19 as soon as possible. In any case all Directors that are planning on attending
ralphm
(even if not entirely certain, please add a note to that end)
Laura
We need to mail everyone a proper notice about dates, plans etc. I know folk have felt confused with discussion emails
ralphm
I did, on Monday
Laura
Oh, I didn't get that… possibly over eager spam filter. I will check
Guys, I am sorry but I need to leave. It's been slow work today. I will email everyone and hopefully we will all be over festive-lag and raring to go next week! Shall I leave you guys to it, or call it a wrap?
ralphm
Laura: are you coming to the summit?
dwd
Not after last time.
Laura
Hey!
Laura
Very unlikely though - it looks like dwd will be the Surevine rep out there
Laura
Sorry for inflicting him on you all again
ralphm
Laura: it will not be forgotten
ralphm
also, who do I pressure to make you go?
dwd
I have no idea how we'll book out the ribs place every night, now.
Laura
I am also scared someone might put me in an orange hoody again
ralphm
Laura: you loved it, don't deny
Laura
Ha - that's the real reason you want me there!
Laura
Rib place booking.
Kev
Everyone has their uses.
Kev
One day someone will find mine.
Laura
Put on a skirt and book the ribs place this year?
ralphm
aw
ralphm
Chair, order!
Laura
Calling it a wrap there! Bye :)
Laura
*bangs gavel*
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dwd
ralphm, In my mail to ask for volunteers to help, you want/need extra hands for FOSDEM?
Kev
I should be at the summit, but won't be at FOSDEM, BTW (I need to be back in Wales on the Saturday). I know I need to fill in the page :)
ralphm
dwd: it is always a great idea to have people handy at the stand, especially since we also have a devroom on Saturday
ralphm
As for the dinner, if the list on the summit wiki page remains this small, we could just as well hit the ribs place
Kev
I'm sad I won't be able to go to the devroom this year :/
ralphm
Kev: Indeed
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Flow
bear: the stickers arrived and some of them where distributed at the GSOC Mentors Summit.
Flow
stpeter: the GSOC money arrived too (just before christmas) :)
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bear
thanks flow
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Tobias
Flow, coming to fosdem and/or summit?
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Zash
Odd, why does Peter Wahers list posts not get attached to the proper thread by thunderb^W icedove?
ralphm
Not sure. I use Thunderbird all the time
ralphm
Tobias: so Flow said to me that was unlikely. That's why he is shipping the stickers to me.
Tobias
ah..ok
moparisthebest
Zash, I noticed that too, and also use thunderbird to reply (though not icedove)
ralphm
Tobias: it might still happen, but he wanted to be sure
ralphm
Tobias: are you coming?
Tobias
yup..
ralphm
Tobias: why is your name not on the wiki page yet?
Tobias
because i haven't written it into the wiki yet
ralphm
Tobias: do it!
ralphm
And this goes for everybody. If I don't have the number of people, I can't plan things.
ralphm
(like the XSF Dinner and lunches and stuff)
MattJ
I'm already on, do I win something?
ralphm
MattJ: my eternal gratitude and an IRL pat on your back?
MattJ
Oh wow, more than I expected
ralphm
MattJ: what did you expect?
Tobias
MattJ, yeah..you win the price for filling it out wrong :P
Tobias
MattJ, you're the only one mixing up given and family name on that list :)
ralphm
Heh! And I even chose those headings with care (as opposed to first/last)
MattJ
Ha
ralphm
But at least MattJ's on the list. That's more than most of @everyone here.
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dwd
He isn't. Someone called Wild Matthew is.
dwd
BTW, I've been a rebel and put myself at the end. The table is, after all, sortable with a click.
Zash
The wrath of ralphm will be upon you!
dwd
He can click "Family name" if he needs to.
dwd
Or Nickname. Or whatever.
ralphm
dwd: wrath
ralphm
dwd: that sorting thing was a trick by intosi and I am not buying it
dwd
ralphm, You had to pay him?
ralphm
dwd: hah.
ralphm
dwd: in any case, you've also earned the gratitude and pat
dwd
Right, time to reboot into Windows to do some terribly important Window work that isn't Elite Dangerous at all.
the thread of that twitter post is amazing and sad and frustrating to read :/
Lance
There was a really nice link in there though: http://www.crummy.com/writing/speaking/2015-RESTFest/
xnyhps
Zash: Same in Mail.app, fwiw (even those that aren't a response to "Standards Digest").
Zash
Two things I noticed was Microsoft was involved in all detached mails, and the In-Reply-To headers seemed funny
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Zash
Libraries and E-books? That's a nice mess
xnyhps
Zash: I guess he's subscribed to the digest and replies by manually changing the subject.
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Zash
That might explain it
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MattJ
Meanwhile Twitter is such an awful interface for a long-running multi-party conversation
MattJ
Even out of order posts in places
MattJ
Where's Jaiku
Tobias
twitter conversations are a pinnacle in user experience
Zash
Yet people use it
Tobias
Zash, hopefully they stop when the 10k posts are coming :)
MattJ
Apparently not enough, they're worried about it
Tobias
about what?
Zash
Tobias: How will that help threading?
Tobias
Zash, i'm sure conversations are easier when less people are talking to each other
MattJ
Tobias, Twitter's user growth is has been slowing for some time, and they're worried about it
MattJ
Also, fewer users are signing up to their service
Tobias
i guess they still won't be happy if every internet accesible user and every company on earth had an account
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bear
@lance that talk is *awesome* - thanks for spotting it
bear
and I think xmpp is part of the 20% they ended the talk with
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stpeter
looks like an interesting talk, indeed - flagged for later reading :-)
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Zash
Does a recording of the actual talking exist?
Lance
Zash: https://vimeo.com/145022543
Zash
Thanks Lance
Flow
Tobias: yeah, I'm this year likely not going to be able to attend the Summit. I plan to attend the Chemnitz Linux Tage with Georg and Daniel. Feel free to join us. :)
Tobias
Flow, when are those?
Flow
19/20 March
Flow
https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2016/en
Flow
I wish XEP diffs would be like that: http://spec.commonmark.org/0.22/changes.html