ralphmWhy haven't you signed up for the XMPP Summit yet?
ralphmhttp://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summit_19
winfriedhey, I have signed up!
dwdhttp://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mix.html
goffihi
goffiit the mix proposal the MUC2 people are talking about for a while ?
KevYes.
goffioki cool
goffiit's good to have published it before summit
danielShould this be put on the official agenda for the summit?
mathieuiwhen do we get https & hsts on xmpp.org? :)
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dwdmathieui, HTTPS works; I'm not sure HSTS would be a universal benefit.
goffidwd: have you seen my email on standard ? The diff tool is bugged in HTTPS
dwdmathieui, I mean, https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mix.html works fine, but there is a slight risk that banning http entirely might lead to us preventing some access. OTOH, we should probably switch to using the HTTPS URI throughout.
dwdgoffi, Ah, OK. That's a problem we should certainly address, then.
goffiit's probably not a big deal, but I'm not the only one with HTTPS eveywhere
mathieuidwd, well, for the wiki it would probably be
dwdgoffi, I think it's that the stylesheet is accessed over HTTP, so maybe it's not loaded for security reasons?
Holgergoffi: PubSub without MAM doesn't just miss a search feature but also result set paging à la XEP-0059, no?
xnyhpsJS on the diff pages is blocked as it's mixed content.
mathieui(I mean, wiki.xmpp.org doesn’t have a valid-matching certificate)
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winfrieddwd: are you planning to come to Summit 19 / Fosdem?
winfriedand are there any Yetis coming over this year?
dwdYes. Got at least one FOSDEM talk.
dwdAnd I don't know of any, yet.
winfriedreally would like to have a chat with some of the ppl behind talky.io...
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fippowinfried: talk to lance
fippobut he isn't coming
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winfriedOK, will do
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goffidwd: maybe, both chromium and iceweasel don't work with https diff
goffiHolger: XEP-0059 is mentionned in XEP-0060
goffiwe can use it without MAM
Holger"Oh!" Nice.
goffiwe do actually in our static blog: https://libervia.org/blog/salut-a-toi
goffiRSM is used for the "get older post" link
goffioups this one has just one post, this one has more: https://libervia.org/blog/goffi
goffis/"get older post"/"older messages"
HolgerXEP-0060 keeps including things I could swear it didn't include last time I read it!
dwdHolger, It recursively includes itself.
dwdHolger, Pubsub all the way down.
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Holger:-)
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ralphmfippo: and you?
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dwdralphm, fippo isn't a Yeti anymore.
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intosiHolger: having worked with 60 for a long time, I know the feeling ;)
ZashSo it's in some kind of superposition and every time you observe it it collapses into a slightly different document?
intosiExactly that. Depends on the reason why you're observing it, even.
ZashWhich reminds me, how much dust are the paper towers we cut it up into under now? :)
intosiralphm?
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ralphmdwd: I know this, still would like to have him there
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ralphmZash: still in the envelopes, so no dust
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dwdIt's nice to have an argument with fippo on standards@ again. Brings back happy memories. :-)
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MattJ:)
stpeterhehehe
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moparisthebesta new pgp xep, I like
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LauraGetting the Trello Board ready for the first Board meeting of 2016: https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
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stpeterthanks Laura!
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bearlaura - I have to be in another meeting in 5 minutes so I will be lurking - the website should be ready this week after I meet with the iteam to give them (or install) the redirects I almost have finished. apologies for the very last minute update.
Kevbear: Thanks for doing the work. I'll try to do whatever's needful when you're ready.
bearkev - no worries, it's going to be a file that can be included into an nginx config
LauraThanks Bear
bear(as that is how i'm testing it)
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LauraOk folks, do we have anyone else from the Board here?
dwdYup.
dwdralphm ?
ralphmI'm here
LauraGreat, that's enough to kick off!
Laura*bangs gavel*
Let’s start the meeting!
LauraAgenda, which as always is driven from Trello: https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
1. Topics for decision
2. Review commitment list (what did people commit to do at the last meeting, and what is the progress )
3. Review items for discussion (for post-meeting conversation/discussion)
4. AOB
5. Time and date of next
Laura1. Topics…
LauraI can see 2 - the first of which Bear has just updated us on (the website - for minute purposes - it's nearly there. Bear is just finishing the redirects)
dwdThe Summit needs a load of decisions and actions, I think.
LauraThe other… the summit. ralphm - do you need anything from the Board on this?
dwdralphm, You need a decision on the van hire, as usual?
LauraDo we need to agree an overall budget?
LauraInstead of individual asks?
dwdThat also works. Can we remember last year's budget?
stpeterLaura: I have not looked into D&O insurance yet, so I have nothing to report
LauraThanks Peter - not wuite there yet but I will take hat note
Lauradwd - I am not aware of what the budget was. ralphm or stpeter?
dwdOK. So let's assume we pick a working budget of €1500. I think that should cover the dinner, lunch costs, dinner transport, etc quite easily, and we should recover at least some of that via remaining hoody sales, sponsorship, etc.
KevAlthough I think a later item might affect that.
LauraI;m not sure anyone else is actually here dwd!
LauraBut I would prefer to approve a budget, rather than each expense
dwdKev, Ah, true.
beari'm +1 to having the baseline budget be equal to last years as a start
ralphmI never looked at the full budget
ralphmI assume dwd's estimate is valid
LauraI wonder if stpeter can shine a light?
dwdbear, I've no immediate record of last year's to hand. But 2012 costs were €4,620 back when we splurged on busses and pizza, and includes a stock of t-shirts.
dwdActually, I have 2013 to hand.
dwdWhich totalled about 3k including beanbags, t-shirts, and a bus trip.
dwdI think we did last year in less.
dwdNo, that's 2014, not 2013.
LauraOk, based on that - are the Board happy to approve an initial budget of €1,500for the Summit, which we can review as we go?
dwdBut anyway, I think €1,500 is a reasonable starter budget.
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bear+1
Lauradwd / ralphm ?
dwdHowever, I'd like to suggest we accept requests to subsidize attendance in return for volunteering effort - for example, for taking minutes for the Summit. That'd be in addition to this budget. I'm thinking primarily students and similar.
dwdOh, +1 to that starter budget.
LauraThat's 3 votes, so we have a majority. Initial budget of €1,500 approved.
LauraWhat else is on the summit list?
dwdBooking dinner, Cisco offices, transport to dinner, subsidizing people if we want to.
dwdOh and merchandise if we want it.
LauraDo we have ralphm here or has he been pulled away? I know he usually coordinates things?
ralphm+1
ralphmI have arranged cisco offices as the summit venue
LauraOh good!
ralphmi.e. Chris has said this should be ok
ralphmI will also be receiving a batch of stickers
ralphm(from Flow)
bearI was wondering if that sticker order went thru
LauraGood stuff. Dinner and dinner sponsors… dwd?
dwdI can't easily arrange dinner, but I suppose I can poke people for dinner sponsorship.
LauraWho can we ask to help with dinner booking?
dwdIdeally a Belgian or a Dutchman. But it doesn't have to be someone on the Board - it might be best if we put out a mail asking members for help with arranging things, actually.
Lauradwd - that seems sensible. If we have a list, then ask for help with that list - people can offer to help with certain items?
ralphmI can call them
dwdYeah. That works for me.
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dwdralphm, You sure? I'm concious we're putting nearly everything on your plate.
KevSuperRalph.
LauraI need to wrap up soon (sorry guys, restricted by time tonight and we are nearly at 30 minutes already) but dwd - are you happy to send the email to members, if we can draw up a list now?
ralphmdwd: it is just a simple call, no?
dwdYeah. What night are we picking.
ralphmDid it last year, too
ralphmI'd say thursday
dwdSounds good to me.
KevBetween the two summit days has a lot of merit for idea discussion.
Kev(So: Sounds good to me)
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ralphmI'd also like to request everyone to register at http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summit_19 as soon as possible. In any case all Directors that are planning on attending
ralphm(even if not entirely certain, please add a note to that end)
LauraWe need to mail everyone a proper notice about dates, plans etc. I know folk have felt confused with discussion emails
ralphmI did, on Monday
LauraOh, I didn't get that… possibly over eager spam filter. I will check
LauraGuys, I am sorry but I need to leave. It's been slow work today. I will email everyone and hopefully we will all be over festive-lag and raring to go next week! Shall I leave you guys to it, or call it a wrap?
ralphmLaura: are you coming to the summit?
dwdNot after last time.
LauraHey!
LauraVery unlikely though - it looks like dwd will be the Surevine rep out there
LauraSorry for inflicting him on you all again
ralphmLaura: it will not be forgotten
ralphmalso, who do I pressure to make you go?
dwdI have no idea how we'll book out the ribs place every night, now.
LauraI am also scared someone might put me in an orange hoody again
ralphmLaura: you loved it, don't deny
LauraHa - that's the real reason you want me there!
LauraRib place booking.
KevEveryone has their uses.
KevOne day someone will find mine.
LauraPut on a skirt and book the ribs place this year?
ralphmaw
ralphmChair, order!
LauraCalling it a wrap there! Bye :)
Laura*bangs gavel*
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dwdralphm, In my mail to ask for volunteers to help, you want/need extra hands for FOSDEM?
KevI should be at the summit, but won't be at FOSDEM, BTW (I need to be back in Wales on the Saturday). I know I need to fill in the page :)
ralphmdwd: it is always a great idea to have people handy at the stand, especially since we also have a devroom on Saturday
ralphmAs for the dinner, if the list on the summit wiki page remains this small, we could just as well hit the ribs place
KevI'm sad I won't be able to go to the devroom this year :/
ralphmKev: Indeed
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Flowbear: the stickers arrived and some of them where distributed at the GSOC Mentors Summit.
Flowstpeter: the GSOC money arrived too (just before christmas) :)
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bearthanks flow
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TobiasFlow, coming to fosdem and/or summit?
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ZashOdd, why does Peter Wahers list posts not get attached to the proper thread by thunderb^W icedove?
ralphmNot sure. I use Thunderbird all the time
ralphmTobias: so Flow said to me that was unlikely. That's why he is shipping the stickers to me.
Tobiasah..ok
moparisthebestZash, I noticed that too, and also use thunderbird to reply (though not icedove)
ralphmTobias: it might still happen, but he wanted to be sure
ralphmTobias: are you coming?
Tobiasyup..
ralphmTobias: why is your name not on the wiki page yet?
Tobiasbecause i haven't written it into the wiki yet
ralphmTobias: do it!
ralphmAnd this goes for everybody. If I don't have the number of people, I can't plan things.
ralphm(like the XSF Dinner and lunches and stuff)
MattJI'm already on, do I win something?
ralphmMattJ: my eternal gratitude and an IRL pat on your back?
MattJOh wow, more than I expected
ralphmMattJ: what did you expect?
TobiasMattJ, yeah..you win the price for filling it out wrong :P
TobiasMattJ, you're the only one mixing up given and family name on that list :)
ralphmHeh! And I even chose those headings with care (as opposed to first/last)
MattJHa
ralphmBut at least MattJ's on the list. That's more than most of @everyone here.
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dwdHe isn't. Someone called Wild Matthew is.
dwdBTW, I've been a rebel and put myself at the end. The table is, after all, sortable with a click.
ZashThe wrath of ralphm will be upon you!
dwdHe can click "Family name" if he needs to.
dwdOr Nickname. Or whatever.
ralphmdwd: wrath
ralphmdwd: that sorting thing was a trick by intosi and I am not buying it
dwdralphm, You had to pay him?
ralphmdwd: hah.
ralphmdwd: in any case, you've also earned the gratitude and pat
dwdRight, time to reboot into Windows to do some terribly important Window work that isn't Elite Dangerous at all.
bearthe thread of that twitter post is amazing and sad and frustrating to read :/
LanceThere was a really nice link in there though: http://www.crummy.com/writing/speaking/2015-RESTFest/
xnyhpsZash: Same in Mail.app, fwiw (even those that aren't a response to "Standards Digest").
ZashTwo things I noticed was Microsoft was involved in all detached mails, and the In-Reply-To headers seemed funny
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ZashLibraries and E-books? That's a nice mess
xnyhpsZash: I guess he's subscribed to the digest and replies by manually changing the subject.
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ZashThat might explain it
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MattJMeanwhile Twitter is such an awful interface for a long-running multi-party conversation
MattJEven out of order posts in places
MattJWhere's Jaiku
Tobiastwitter conversations are a pinnacle in user experience
ZashYet people use it
TobiasZash, hopefully they stop when the 10k posts are coming :)
MattJApparently not enough, they're worried about it
Tobiasabout what?
ZashTobias: How will that help threading?
TobiasZash, i'm sure conversations are easier when less people are talking to each other
MattJTobias, Twitter's user growth is has been slowing for some time, and they're worried about it
MattJAlso, fewer users are signing up to their service
Tobiasi guess they still won't be happy if every internet accesible user and every company on earth had an account
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bear@lance that talk is *awesome* - thanks for spotting it
bearand I think xmpp is part of the 20% they ended the talk with
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stpeterlooks like an interesting talk, indeed - flagged for later reading :-)
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ZashDoes a recording of the actual talking exist?
LanceZash: https://vimeo.com/145022543
ZashThanks Lance
FlowTobias: yeah, I'm this year likely not going to be able to attend the Summit. I plan to attend the Chemnitz Linux Tage with Georg and Daniel. Feel free to join us. :)
TobiasFlow, when are those?
Flow19/20 March
Flowhttps://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2016/en
FlowI wish XEP diffs would be like that: http://spec.commonmark.org/0.22/changes.html
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