XSF Discussion - 2016-01-19

  1. boothj5 has joined
  2. boothj5 has left
  3. boothj5 has joined
  4. boothj5 has left
  5. boothj5 has joined
  6. boothj5 has left
  7. Kev has left
  8. boothj5 has joined
  9. boothj5 has left
  10. boothj5 has joined
  11. Jake1984 has left
  12. Jake1984 has joined
  13. foss81405971 has joined
  14. Lance has joined
  15. boothj5 has left
  16. boothj5 has joined
  17. boothj5 has left
  18. boothj5 has joined
  19. boothj5 has left
  20. Lance has joined
  21. waqas has left
  22. arty has left
  23. arty has joined
  24. Tobias has left
  25. Tobias has left
  26. Jake1984 has left
  27. intosi has joined
  28. Jake1984 has joined
  29. foss81405971 has joined
  30. thorsten has joined
  31. foss81405971 has joined
  32. Lance has joined
  33. daniel has joined
  34. ralphm has left
  35. ralphm has left
  36. ralphm has left
  37. Ashley Ward has joined
  38. ralphm has left
  39. ralphm has left
  40. ralphm has left
  41. Ashley Ward has left
  42. Ashley Ward has joined
  43. daniel has joined
  44. arty has left
  45. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  46. intosi has joined
  47. Ashley Ward has left
  48. Ashley Ward has joined
  49. waqas has joined
  50. Ashley Ward has left
  51. Ashley Ward has joined
  52. arty has joined
  53. dwd has left
  54. Flow has joined
  55. Ashley Ward has left
  56. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  57. thorsten has left
  58. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  59. Laura has joined
  60. thorsten has joined
  61. tim@boese-ban.de has left
  62. tim@boese-ban.de has joined
  63. Zash has joined
  64. Flow has joined
  65. Martin has joined
  66. Martin has left
  67. waqas has left
  68. waqas has joined
  69. waqas has left
  70. Alex has joined
  71. Lance has joined
  72. Flow has joined
  73. Kev has joined
  74. waqas has joined
  75. waqas has left
  76. boothj5 has joined
  77. kalkin has left
  78. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  79. boothj5 has left
  80. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  81. Alex has left
  82. Alex has joined
  83. Ashley Ward has joined
  84. Zash has joined
  85. Zash has joined
  86. arty has left
  87. daniel has joined
  88. goffi has joined
  89. Zash has joined
  90. Zash has joined
  91. foss81405971 has joined
  92. Kev has left
  93. Kev has left
  94. Kev Right, voted!
  95. Alex (Y)
  96. Kev has left
  97. intosi has joined
  98. Ge0rG it's awesome to see how diverse our crowd is
  99. goffi hi, I have submitted a protoxep last week-end, can I have a confirmation that it was well received by somebody subscribed on editor@ please ? Thanks :)
  100. intosi has joined
  101. Laura has left
  102. ralphm has left
  103. ralphm has left
  104. ralphm has left
  105. thorsten goffi: which protoxep?
  106. arty has joined
  107. intosi has joined
  108. intosi has left
  109. intosi has joined
  110. goffi thorsten: jid mention
  111. thorsten Cool
  112. goffi thorsten: there is a rendered version there: http://www.goffi.org/public/xmpp/xep/xep-proto-jid-mention.html
  113. thorsten goffi: let me check
  114. kalkin has left
  115. thorsten And it has been acknowledged by xmpp.org?
  116. SouL Interesting
  117. boothj5 has joined
  118. goffi thorsten: I have sent id last week-end, but no response and didn't see it proposed on standard@, that's why I'm asking here
  119. goffi it*
  120. ThUnD3r|Gr33n that's a shame! it sounds fine so far for me :)
  121. goffi editor@ are probably busy, it's not a big deal if it takes a couple of days, I just want to be sure is was received...
  122. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  123. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  124. intosi has joined
  125. intosi has left
  126. intosi has joined
  127. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  128. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  129. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  130. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  131. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  132. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  133. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  134. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  135. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  136. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  137. intosi has left
  138. intosi has joined
  139. Kev Did you send in the appropriate way? Email to editor@ with 'XEP' in the subject?
  140. tim@boese-ban.de has joined
  141. kalkin has joined
  142. boothj5 has left
  143. SamWhited goffi: it was received.
  144. edhelas has joined
  145. goffi Kev: yes
  146. goffi SamWhited: oki perfect, thanks
  147. edhelas hello everyone, I'm having a look at https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0369.html it's quite interesting but I'm wondering how all theses subscriptions will be listed for the clients
  148. edhelas to display the "subscribed rooms"
  149. Kev edhelas: You'd combine it with the pubsub-account stuff that dwd's working on.
  150. edhelas Kev, you have a link for it ?
  151. Kev Dave wrote a mail to standards@ with an outline, but there's no XEP yet.
  152. edhelas will search the email
  153. Kev The 'how do you tell what you're subscribed to' is a generic pubsub problem without the pubsub-account stuff, but MIX combined with pubsub-account is going to be rather nice.
  154. arty has left
  155. Jake1984 has left
  156. soul has left
  157. soul has joined
  158. bjc has left
  159. ralphm has left
  160. soul has left
  161. intosi has joined
  162. intosi has left
  163. Flow What should one use for an namespace not related to an XEP? xmlns='http://projectname.org'? xmlns='projectname.org'?
  164. intosi has joined
  165. MattJ You can do, yes
  166. intosi has joined
  167. MattJ You might want to use "http://projectname.org/something"
  168. MattJ so you can have different values for different protocols
  169. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  170. Flow MattJ: I do wonder how important the scheme is
  171. Flow especially in times of https everywhere
  172. Zash Flow: It's an opaque string
  173. Flow Zash: i wonder how opaque it is, there is http://www.iana.org/assignments/xml-registry/xml-registry.xhtml
  174. Jake1984 has joined
  175. Flow but I can't find any rules or an registration for "urn:xmpp" which is used by todays XEPs
  176. foss81405971 has joined
  177. Flow nor any saying that all strings with the "urn:xmpp:" belong to the XSF
  178. Zash That seems to be the IETFs namespaces
  179. Flow so I assume it's just convention and a requirement
  180. Flow *and not a requirement
  181. Zash Aha
  182. Zash -rfc 4854
  183. Bunneh has joined
  184. Zash -rfc 4854
  185. Bunneh Zash: A Uniform Resource Name (URN) Namespace for Extensions to the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP). P. Saint-Andre. April 2007. (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC4854) https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4854
  186. Zash http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-namespaces/urn-namespaces.xhtml#urn-namespaces-1
  187. Flow aaahhh
  188. Flow Zash: ta :)
  189. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  190. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  191. moparisthebest has left
  192. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  193. Flow has left
  194. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  195. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  196. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  197. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  198. Flow has joined
  199. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  200. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  201. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  202. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  203. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  204. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  205. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  206. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  207. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  208. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  209. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  210. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  211. Jake1984 has left
  212. mark.erd has joined
  213. SamWhited has joined
  214. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  215. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  216. lloyd has joined
  217. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  218. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  219. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  220. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  221. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  222. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  223. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  224. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has joined
  225. thorsten has left
  226. intosi has joined
  227. Zash What's the implementation status of the latest MAM?
  228. Zash in clients
  229. thorsten has joined
  230. bjc has joined
  231. Flow Zash: Why do you ask?
  232. Zash I've had a patch for a version bump laying around since forever and wonder when would be a good time to update
  233. Flow I personally wait for https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/82 to get merged until I continue Smack's MAM impl
  234. intosi Server-side?
  235. Zash Yes
  236. thorsten has left
  237. intosi It was fairly easy to support both, I found.
  238. Zash Our Carbons and 198 impl already do that
  239. thorsten has joined
  240. Zash Still don't really like ti
  241. Zash Still don't really like it
  242. thorsten has left
  243. thorsten has joined
  244. thorsten has left
  245. Tobias are there any news regarding the planned group booking for the summit hotel?
  246. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  247. thorsten has joined
  248. thorsten has left
  249. thorsten has joined
  250. thorsten has left
  251. thorsten has joined
  252. thorsten has left
  253. intosi has joined
  254. thorsten has joined
  255. Kev Tobias: I believe everyone's just been booking it themselves.
  256. tim@boese-ban.de has joined
  257. Tobias ok...would be nice if it would have been communicated
  258. Kev Yeah.
  259. Tobias but still the same hotel, right?
  260. Kev Yes.
  261. thorsten has left
  262. Tobias seems to be sold out for wendsday to sunday..then i'll look for something else
  263. Kev :/
  264. Kev has left
  265. thorsten has joined
  266. Lance has joined
  267. Ashley Ward has left
  268. mathieui re: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/content-types.html I don’t like it much, but if this is required for something, it would be nice to have a disco that actually tells which content-types are supported
  269. mathieui instead of sending useless data that will be discarded by the other party
  270. Zash +1
  271. Zash Eg <feature var="urn:xmpp:content#text/plain"/> etc?
  272. Zash intosi: The change to update is small but the change needed to do both would be large and ugly :(
  273. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  274. mathieui Zash, yeah
  275. MattJ I really don't like it
  276. Jake1984 has joined
  277. foss81405971 has joined
  278. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  279. Zash 'it' suddenly became ambiguos
  280. foss81405971 has joined
  281. Ashley Ward has joined
  282. lloyd has left
  283. goffi I don't like it neither, it will bring more fragmentation
  284. goffi we use markdown and we convert to XHTML, but what should I do if somebody use markdown as text? Use XHTML version or text?
  285. goffi and probably other formats will come, other flavour of markdown
  286. bjc has left
  287. MattJ Indeed
  288. Zash MattJ: What about the JSON container XEP?
  289. MattJ Machine-to-machine, not IM
  290. MattJ Humans are good at interpreting the same data, in different formats, in the same way
  291. MattJ i.e. XHTML-IM vs Markdown vs plain text with no markdown, are all going to be slightly different but still readable
  292. MattJ The user's client does not need to know the difference
  293. Zash I kinda thougt they wanted XHTML-IM without XHTML-IM, by having the receiving client render it from Markdown
  294. MattJ I think so
  295. MattJ Which implies having multiple formats for conveying formatted text on the wire
  296. MattJ > 17:38:33 MattJ> I really don't like it
  297. Zash Same could be said about XHTML-IM :)
  298. Zash Or well, sorta
  299. MattJ We have plain, and we have formatted
  300. Zash Weirdness happens if they have different actual content
  301. MattJ Markdown can be both, but it's not a third category
  302. xnyhps > Every XMPP Extension Protocol specification must contain a section entitled "Security Considerations"
  303. moparisthebest add to that no 2 clients would use the same parser and would end up with wildly different displayed representations
  304. Zash There can be only Pandoc!
  305. MattJ (Zash is currently in love with pandoc)
  306. bjc has joined
  307. moparisthebest that'd be my preference but someone would complain that it's not a standard and has a license they don't like :)
  308. moparisthebest personally I don't want instant messages long enough to require formatting, but I understand there are different use cases
  309. Zash msnmessenger.jpg
  310. MattJ Booked for Brussels (Aloft)
  311. MattJ Note I won't be arriving until late on Thursday, so will miss summit day 1
  312. Ashley Ward has left
  313. arty has joined
  314. Ashley Ward has joined
  315. Ashley Ward has left
  316. Ashley Ward has joined
  317. arty has left
  318. arty has joined
  319. Flow mathieui: I do believe that would be against the idea of conent hints: <body> content is always human readable, the hint is just to indicate a particular encoding
  320. soul has joined
  321. Flow so I would simply remove § 2.2 and § 2.3 from the content-types xep
  322. Ashley Ward has left
  323. Ashley Ward has joined
  324. SamWhited has left
  325. Ashley Ward has left
  326. SamWhited Memberbot really needs an "Aprove all" button
  327. Zash yes yes | xmppsend memberbot
  328. SamWhited "yes " * 17
  329. intosi has left
  330. MattJ Memberbot really does not need an "approve all" button :)
  331. SamWhited *shrug* If people care enough to take the time to apply for membership that's pretty much all I'm looking for
  332. MattJ You are entitled to your own acceptance criteria, but I'm not comfortable with accepting without reading the application they submitted
  333. SamWhited That's fair
  334. xnyhps has left
  335. intosi has joined
  336. SamWhited has joined
  337. Alex has left
  338. Lance has joined
  339. Alex has joined
  340. intosi has left
  341. intosi has joined
  342. Kev Particularly that there was one ineligible application this year ;)
  343. Kev So, if the Aloft doesn't have any rooms left for XSF people, should we be thinking of being elsewhere?
  344. foss81405971 has joined
  345. SamWhited What makes someone ineligible?
  346. SamWhited I don't even understand the point of membership except to prevent someone from skewing a vote by having all their friends vote
  347. Kev SamWhited: Dave didn't include email address/JID. Presumably deliberately because the XEP didn't get advanced, or such.
  348. Kev According to the wiki, almost no-one has booked the Aloft, which suggests, given there were no rooms when Tobi just tried to book, that the majority of people won't be able to be there.
  349. Zash Or, the majority of people haven't updated that page
  350. Kev Or that.
  351. foss81405971 has joined
  352. Tobias Kev, if the wiki page represents the reality, that is :)
  353. intosi Wed - Thu isn't available, but Thu - Sun is.
  354. Tobias intosi, yup..thu - sun is...but who knows how many :) but at the current time it'll probably be the same everywhere
  355. intosi Brussels in that weekend can be a bit of a challenge this late.
  356. Jake1984 has left
  357. foss81405971 has joined
  358. Jake1984 has joined
  359. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  360. Jake1984 has left
  361. Jake1984 has joined
  362. SamWhited has left
  363. SamWhited has left
  364. SamWhited has left
  365. winfried has joined
  366. SamWhited has left
  367. Lance has joined
  368. tim@boese-ban.de has joined
  369. Alex has left
  370. Tobias has left
  371. mark.erd has left
  372. mark.erd has joined
  373. xnyhps has left
  374. Lance has joined
  375. dwd has left
  376. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  377. Ashley Ward has joined
  378. tim@boese-ban.de has joined
  379. tim@boese-ban.de has joined
  380. intosi has joined
  381. boothj5 has joined
  382. intosi has left
  383. tim@boese-ban.de has joined
  384. mark.erd has left
  385. Zash has left
  386. boothj5 has left
  387. goffi has left
  388. daniel has left
  389. Flow has left
  390. ThUnD3r|Gr33n has left
  391. intosi has left
  392. intosi has joined
  393. SamWhited has left
  394. Steffen Larsen has joined
  395. intosi has left
  396. intosi has joined
  397. thorsten has left
  398. foss81405971 has joined
  399. Ashley Ward has left
  400. tim@boese-ban.de has left
  401. moparisthebest has left
  402. bjc has left
  403. Steffen Larsen has left