hi, I have submitted a protoxep last week-end, can I have a confirmation that it was well received by somebody subscribed on editor@ please ? Thanks :)
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thorsten
goffi: which protoxep?
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thorsten: jid mention
thorsten
Cool
goffi
thorsten: there is a rendered version there: http://www.goffi.org/public/xmpp/xep/xep-proto-jid-mention.html
thorsten
goffi: let me check
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thorsten
And it has been acknowledged by xmpp.org?
SouL
Interesting
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thorsten: I have sent id last week-end, but no response and didn't see it proposed on standard@, that's why I'm asking here
goffi
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ThUnD3r|Gr33n
that's a shame! it sounds fine so far for me :)
goffi
editor@ are probably busy, it's not a big deal if it takes a couple of days, I just want to be sure is was received...
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Kev
Did you send in the appropriate way? Email to editor@ with 'XEP' in the subject?
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SamWhited
goffi: it was received.
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Kev: yes
goffi
SamWhited: oki perfect, thanks
edhelas
hello everyone, I'm having a look at https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0369.html it's quite interesting but I'm wondering how all theses subscriptions will be listed for the clients
edhelas
to display the "subscribed rooms"
Kev
edhelas: You'd combine it with the pubsub-account stuff that dwd's working on.
edhelas
Kev, you have a link for it ?
Kev
Dave wrote a mail to standards@ with an outline, but there's no XEP yet.
edhelaswill search the email
Kev
The 'how do you tell what you're subscribed to' is a generic pubsub problem without the pubsub-account stuff, but MIX combined with pubsub-account is going to be rather nice.
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Flow
What should one use for an namespace not related to an XEP? xmlns='http://projectname.org'? xmlns='projectname.org'?
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You can do, yes
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You might want to use "http://projectname.org/something"
MattJ
so you can have different values for different protocols
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MattJ: I do wonder how important the scheme is
Flow
especially in times of https everywhere
Zash
Flow: It's an opaque string
Flow
Zash: i wonder how opaque it is, there is http://www.iana.org/assignments/xml-registry/xml-registry.xhtml
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but I can't find any rules or an registration for "urn:xmpp" which is used by todays XEPs
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nor any saying that all strings with the "urn:xmpp:" belong to the XSF
Zash
That seems to be the IETFs namespaces
Flow
so I assume it's just convention and a requirement
Zash: A Uniform Resource Name (URN) Namespace for Extensions to the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP).
P. Saint-Andre. April 2007. (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC4854)
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4854
are there any news regarding the planned group booking for the summit hotel?
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Kev
Tobias: I believe everyone's just been booking it themselves.
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Tobias
ok...would be nice if it would have been communicated
Kev
Yeah.
Tobias
but still the same hotel, right?
Kev
Yes.
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seems to be sold out for wendsday to sunday..then i'll look for something else
Kev
:/
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re: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/content-types.html
I don’t like it much, but if this is required for something, it would be nice to have a disco that actually tells which content-types are supported
mathieui
instead of sending useless data that will be discarded by the other party
intosi: The change to update is small but the change needed to do both would be large and ugly :(
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Zash, yeah
MattJ
I really don't like it
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'it' suddenly became ambiguos
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goffi
I don't like it neither, it will bring more fragmentation
goffi
we use markdown and we convert to XHTML, but what should I do if somebody use markdown as text? Use XHTML version or text?
goffi
and probably other formats will come, other flavour of markdown
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MattJ
Indeed
Zash
MattJ: What about the JSON container XEP?
MattJ
Machine-to-machine, not IM
MattJ
Humans are good at interpreting the same data, in different formats, in the same way
MattJ
i.e. XHTML-IM vs Markdown vs plain text with no markdown, are all going to be slightly different but still readable
MattJ
The user's client does not need to know the difference
Zash
I kinda thougt they wanted XHTML-IM without XHTML-IM, by having the receiving client render it from Markdown
MattJ
I think so
MattJ
Which implies having multiple formats for conveying formatted text on the wire
MattJ
> 17:38:33 MattJ> I really don't like it
Zash
Same could be said about XHTML-IM :)
Zash
Or well, sorta
MattJ
We have plain, and we have formatted
Zash
Weirdness happens if they have different actual content
MattJ
Markdown can be both, but it's not a third category
xnyhps
> Every XMPP Extension Protocol specification must contain a section entitled "Security Considerations"
moparisthebest
add to that no 2 clients would use the same parser and would end up with wildly different displayed representations
Zash
There can be only Pandoc!
MattJ
(Zash is currently in love with pandoc)
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that'd be my preference but someone would complain that it's not a standard and has a license they don't like :)
moparisthebest
personally I don't want instant messages long enough to require formatting, but I understand there are different use cases
Zash
msnmessenger.jpg
MattJ
Booked for Brussels (Aloft)
MattJ
Note I won't be arriving until late on Thursday, so will miss summit day 1
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mathieui: I do believe that would be against the idea of conent hints: <body> content is always human readable, the hint is just to indicate a particular encoding
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so I would simply remove § 2.2 and § 2.3 from the content-types xep
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SamWhited
Memberbot really needs an "Aprove all" button
Zash
yes yes | xmppsend memberbot
SamWhited
"yes " * 17
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MattJ
Memberbot really does not need an "approve all" button :)
SamWhited
*shrug* If people care enough to take the time to apply for membership that's pretty much all I'm looking for
MattJ
You are entitled to your own acceptance criteria, but I'm not comfortable with accepting without reading the application they submitted
SamWhited
That's fair
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Kev
Particularly that there was one ineligible application this year ;)
Kev
So, if the Aloft doesn't have any rooms left for XSF people, should we be thinking of being elsewhere?
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What makes someone ineligible?
SamWhited
I don't even understand the point of membership except to prevent someone from skewing a vote by having all their friends vote
Kev
SamWhited: Dave didn't include email address/JID. Presumably deliberately because the XEP didn't get advanced, or such.
Kev
According to the wiki, almost no-one has booked the Aloft, which suggests, given there were no rooms when Tobi just tried to book, that the majority of people won't be able to be there.
Zash
Or, the majority of people haven't updated that page
Kev
Or that.
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Tobias
Kev, if the wiki page represents the reality, that is :)
intosi
Wed - Thu isn't available, but Thu - Sun is.
Tobias
intosi, yup..thu - sun is...but who knows how many :) but at the current time it'll probably be the same everywhere
intosi
Brussels in that weekend can be a bit of a challenge this late.