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Kev
Right, voted!
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Alex
(Y)
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Ge0rG
it's awesome to see how diverse our crowd is
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goffi
hi, I have submitted a protoxep last week-end, can I have a confirmation that it was well received by somebody subscribed on editor@ please ? Thanks :)
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thorsten
goffi: which protoxep?
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goffi
thorsten: jid mention
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thorsten
Cool
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goffi
thorsten: there is a rendered version there: http://www.goffi.org/public/xmpp/xep/xep-proto-jid-mention.html
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thorsten
goffi: let me check
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thorsten
And it has been acknowledged by xmpp.org?
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SouL
Interesting
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goffi
thorsten: I have sent id last week-end, but no response and didn't see it proposed on standard@, that's why I'm asking here
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goffi
it*
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ThUnD3r|Gr33n
that's a shame! it sounds fine so far for me :)
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goffi
editor@ are probably busy, it's not a big deal if it takes a couple of days, I just want to be sure is was received...
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Kev
Did you send in the appropriate way? Email to editor@ with 'XEP' in the subject?
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SamWhited
goffi: it was received.
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goffi
Kev: yes
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goffi
SamWhited: oki perfect, thanks
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edhelas
hello everyone, I'm having a look at https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0369.html it's quite interesting but I'm wondering how all theses subscriptions will be listed for the clients
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edhelas
to display the "subscribed rooms"
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Kev
edhelas: You'd combine it with the pubsub-account stuff that dwd's working on.
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edhelas
Kev, you have a link for it ?
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Kev
Dave wrote a mail to standards@ with an outline, but there's no XEP yet.
- edhelas will search the email
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Kev
The 'how do you tell what you're subscribed to' is a generic pubsub problem without the pubsub-account stuff, but MIX combined with pubsub-account is going to be rather nice.
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Flow
What should one use for an namespace not related to an XEP? xmlns='http://projectname.org'? xmlns='projectname.org'?
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MattJ
You can do, yes
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MattJ
You might want to use "http://projectname.org/something"
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MattJ
so you can have different values for different protocols
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Flow
MattJ: I do wonder how important the scheme is
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Flow
especially in times of https everywhere
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Zash
Flow: It's an opaque string
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Flow
Zash: i wonder how opaque it is, there is http://www.iana.org/assignments/xml-registry/xml-registry.xhtml
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Flow
but I can't find any rules or an registration for "urn:xmpp" which is used by todays XEPs
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Flow
nor any saying that all strings with the "urn:xmpp:" belong to the XSF
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Zash
That seems to be the IETFs namespaces
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Flow
so I assume it's just convention and a requirement
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Flow
*and not a requirement
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Zash
Aha
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Zash
-rfc 4854✎ -
Zash
-rfc 4854 ✏
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Bunneh
Zash: A Uniform Resource Name (URN) Namespace for Extensions to the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP). P. Saint-Andre. April 2007. (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC4854) https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4854
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Zash
http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-namespaces/urn-namespaces.xhtml#urn-namespaces-1
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Flow
aaahhh
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Flow
Zash: ta :)
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Zash
What's the implementation status of the latest MAM?
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Zash
in clients
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Flow
Zash: Why do you ask?
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Zash
I've had a patch for a version bump laying around since forever and wonder when would be a good time to update
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Flow
I personally wait for https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/82 to get merged until I continue Smack's MAM impl
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intosi
Server-side?
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Zash
Yes
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intosi
It was fairly easy to support both, I found.
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Zash
Our Carbons and 198 impl already do that
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Zash
Still don't really like ti✎ -
Zash
Still don't really like it ✏
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Tobias
are there any news regarding the planned group booking for the summit hotel?
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Kev
Tobias: I believe everyone's just been booking it themselves.
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Tobias
ok...would be nice if it would have been communicated
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Kev
Yeah.
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Tobias
but still the same hotel, right?
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Kev
Yes.
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Tobias
seems to be sold out for wendsday to sunday..then i'll look for something else
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Kev
:/
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mathieui
re: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/content-types.html I don’t like it much, but if this is required for something, it would be nice to have a disco that actually tells which content-types are supported
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mathieui
instead of sending useless data that will be discarded by the other party
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Zash
+1
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Zash
Eg <feature var="urn:xmpp:content#text/plain"/> etc?
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Zash
intosi: The change to update is small but the change needed to do both would be large and ugly :(
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mathieui
Zash, yeah
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MattJ
I really don't like it
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Zash
'it' suddenly became ambiguos
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goffi
I don't like it neither, it will bring more fragmentation
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goffi
we use markdown and we convert to XHTML, but what should I do if somebody use markdown as text? Use XHTML version or text?
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goffi
and probably other formats will come, other flavour of markdown
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MattJ
Indeed
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Zash
MattJ: What about the JSON container XEP?
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MattJ
Machine-to-machine, not IM
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MattJ
Humans are good at interpreting the same data, in different formats, in the same way
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MattJ
i.e. XHTML-IM vs Markdown vs plain text with no markdown, are all going to be slightly different but still readable
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MattJ
The user's client does not need to know the difference
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Zash
I kinda thougt they wanted XHTML-IM without XHTML-IM, by having the receiving client render it from Markdown
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MattJ
I think so
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MattJ
Which implies having multiple formats for conveying formatted text on the wire
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MattJ
> 17:38:33 MattJ> I really don't like it
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Zash
Same could be said about XHTML-IM :)
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Zash
Or well, sorta
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MattJ
We have plain, and we have formatted
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Zash
Weirdness happens if they have different actual content
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MattJ
Markdown can be both, but it's not a third category
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xnyhps
> Every XMPP Extension Protocol specification must contain a section entitled "Security Considerations"
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moparisthebest
add to that no 2 clients would use the same parser and would end up with wildly different displayed representations
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Zash
There can be only Pandoc!
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MattJ
(Zash is currently in love with pandoc)
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moparisthebest
that'd be my preference but someone would complain that it's not a standard and has a license they don't like :)
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moparisthebest
personally I don't want instant messages long enough to require formatting, but I understand there are different use cases
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Zash
msnmessenger.jpg
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MattJ
Booked for Brussels (Aloft)
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MattJ
Note I won't be arriving until late on Thursday, so will miss summit day 1
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Flow
mathieui: I do believe that would be against the idea of conent hints: <body> content is always human readable, the hint is just to indicate a particular encoding
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Flow
so I would simply remove § 2.2 and § 2.3 from the content-types xep
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SamWhited
Memberbot really needs an "Aprove all" button
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Zash
yes yes | xmppsend memberbot
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SamWhited
"yes " * 17
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MattJ
Memberbot really does not need an "approve all" button :)
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SamWhited
*shrug* If people care enough to take the time to apply for membership that's pretty much all I'm looking for
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MattJ
You are entitled to your own acceptance criteria, but I'm not comfortable with accepting without reading the application they submitted
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SamWhited
That's fair
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Kev
Particularly that there was one ineligible application this year ;)
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Kev
So, if the Aloft doesn't have any rooms left for XSF people, should we be thinking of being elsewhere?
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SamWhited
What makes someone ineligible?
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SamWhited
I don't even understand the point of membership except to prevent someone from skewing a vote by having all their friends vote
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Kev
SamWhited: Dave didn't include email address/JID. Presumably deliberately because the XEP didn't get advanced, or such.
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Kev
According to the wiki, almost no-one has booked the Aloft, which suggests, given there were no rooms when Tobi just tried to book, that the majority of people won't be able to be there.
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Zash
Or, the majority of people haven't updated that page
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Kev
Or that.
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Tobias
Kev, if the wiki page represents the reality, that is :)
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intosi
Wed - Thu isn't available, but Thu - Sun is.
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Tobias
intosi, yup..thu - sun is...but who knows how many :) but at the current time it'll probably be the same everywhere
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intosi
Brussels in that weekend can be a bit of a challenge this late.