Tobiaswonder what the reason was for that restriction
ralphmThere was a lot of debate on this when we specced this, but consensus was that a single element made the most sense.
ralphmTreating a single thing is easier than multiple things that belong together somehow. If you need additional grouping, you can use a wrapper element.
Tobiasso the recommendation is to do <item><entry><x>here the two elements</x><entry></item>
ralphmYeah. Do you have a concrete use case for multiple elements?
ralphmActually, <entry/> is your wrapper, and x might appear twice.
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Tobiassee the conversation of goffi and myself yesterday...the idea was to attach info to a pubsub atom item about the images mentioned in the item https://q.zash.se/5e4d0b8702c3.txt
Tobiasso that a receiver would get further hints where to fetch the image ni:///sha3-256;wqfDv8OGw7jCvx7Dl2ZRw4FHVsKgYcOWYsO14oKsw79Nw6Q7ScO64oCaw5gKS-KCrMO4Q0o from
Tobiasbut since the new stanza isn't part of atom i'd have to create a new entry type, that allows atom and other children
goffiralphm: indeed the issue there is that entry is from atom namespace, while <reference> and <media-sharing> are XMPP
goffiand XEP-0277 already use <entry> as item child
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ralphmWhy not include the meta-data inside the Atom element document?
ralphmAtom allows for arbitrary child elements
Tobiasit does? that would work for me
Tobiasgoffi, what's your opionion on that?
goffiI didn't knew it allows arbitraty element, in this case it works for me to
Ge0rGI remember another usecase for multiple items was concurrent update of bookmarks
ralphmThe trouble with concurrent updates or batching is that error handling becomes more complex. This is why batch functionality has been removed in various parts of XEP-0060.
ralphmIf you still want that, you can handle it in your application-specific code.
Ge0rGit shouldn't be too hard to edit different items from different clients. but if everything is stored in the same item, race conditions have a more severe effect.
ralphmThat's more a problem with how bookmarks work, rather that PubSub itself
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goffiGe0rG, ralphm: we (with edehlas and chris deering) have started to work on a new protoXEP for bookmarks, which would actually be a general list of uri, you can check https://lite5.framapad.org/p/OlHwr5GBlY
goffione of the goal is to fix the one item for all issue
goffithe other is to have correct handling of non MUC uri
goffiand also nice things like tags
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goffiit cool be use not only for bookmark, but anywhere where a list or uris if useful
gofficould*
goffiis a bit stalled at the moment because we are all busy, be we could defenitely propose a first protoXEP quickly
ralphmgoffi: right. Cool
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edhelashey, I'm at the 33c3, if someone else is here, ping me, would be nice to meet :)
Ge0rGedhelas: Link Mauve and daniel should be there, somewhere
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Link Mauvemathieui, edhelas, daniel, Tobias, kalkin, I’m around Saal G, just finished eating.
Link MauveAnd you?
Tobiasjust on my way to the CCH
kalkinand Daniel are going too hall 2
kalkinWe are around saal g right now too
edhelasI'm in the hacker room, just in front of the TARDIS and the wooden dome
Link Mauvekalkin, where around Saal G?
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Link MauveHad a chat with koolfy, about OTR and OX and OMEMO and related as well as unrelated stuff. ^^
kalkinLink Mauve: I'm currently outside where in the direction of saal1
Link MauveFor hacking the world?
kalkinThe stairs down past the digital courage shop and right
mathieuithat threema talk was a bit disappointing, btw
mathieuialthough there are some nice ideas on trust that could work even without their central server
kalkinLink Mauve: Welcome to the Anthropocene?
Wednesday, December 28, 2016 1:00 PM, Saal2
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Tobiasedhelas: so where are you about?
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edhelasTobias, I'm at the Raumzeit Labor table in the dev room
Tobiasedhelas: let me see if I can find that
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Tobiasgoffi, so the example would look something like this http://ayena.de/files/xeps/sims.xhtml#usecases-microblogging