GuusDoes anyone have experience with (XMPP-based) solutions that lets you add "chat" to existing web-based platforms?
ZashLike converse.js?
GuusI'm looking at stuff like CoBrowser and SmartSupp - those appear to be oriented towards "chat with one of our employees" - rather than allowing users to chat amongst themselves.
mathieuihas left
GuusConverse.JS is "simply" a web-based client. I'm wondering about a one-stope solution, of sorts, that includes server and client components
mathieuihas joined
vanitasvitaehas left
FlowGuus: isn't that what Jive's workgroup xep152 does?
GuusFlow: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0152.html "Reachability Address"? Are you referring to the Workgroup stuff (the FastPath implementation)?
FlowGuus: typo, sorry, xep142,
GuusFlow: that's more of the "ask our employee" stuff, for which I can find various service providers. I'm interested in providers that put more focus on the user-to-user / community aspect
Guus(Yeah, 142 is the FastPath XEP, indeed)
GuusI'm trying to find a list of pros and cons, to compare "run your own server + chat implementations" vs. "use some kind of online service provider that you can integrate with"
Ge0rGI wonder why Kaiwa requires a node.js server to run... can't it operate like converse as a client-only thing?
ZashYeah, why must all web clients require so much stuff nowdays?
danielGe0rG: I think it's just the webserver that serves the js files
edhelasZash, what is "so much stuff" for you ?
Guuswhy host things statically if you can make it overcomplicated, right? :)
ZashAnything besides a static file server and a browser
pep.has left
Ge0rGdaniel: it also seems to contain some crazy ldap frontend!? https://github.com/digicoop/kaiwa/blob/master/server.js
danielGe0rG: I think the fornever fork got rid of that
manchohas left
Ge0rGdaniel: "You'll need Node.js 4.0+ and npm 3+." from fornever...
danielGe0rG: afaik that's just packaging and dependency resolving and stuff like that. Not actually running it
Ge0rGdaniel: the README is rather short in that regard.
Ge0rGdaniel: I can imagine that the server component does the socket forwarding to the actual server as well, due to typical web browser cross-domain limitations
Ge0rGI'm looking for a web client that doesn't look ugly and supports at least a bunch of useful ("modern") things.
Ge0rGConverse is just a popup, not a full page, candy is not beautiful, and kaiwa requires nodejs
mathieuiGe0rG, movim?
mathieuiwell, it’s not all-"web" so it might not fit
narcodehas left
narcodehas joined
ZashIs there someone we can throw money at in exchange for a no-bullshit modern web client?
Ge0rGmathieui: what does 'not all-"web"' mean?
Guusyes. But it's likely going to be more money that you're willing to spend...
danielZash: I'm definitely willing to participate in the money throwing process
danielI've been unsuccessful in finding someone who is able to get kaiwa into a usable state though
mathieuiGe0rG, I mean, it’s an xmpp client, but it’s has a server and a client part too
mathieui-’s
KevSwift-Web is done with a server component, too.
ZashGe0rG: What's ugly about Candy btw?
Ge0rGZash: it's very minimalistic
ZashKev: Never heard of
ZashGe0rG: I like minimalistic
Guus(Kev: for what purpose?)
KevXMPP to the browser is a nice idea, but terminating on the server makes quite a lot of things easier and/or possible. I was clearly wrong when I objected to Lloyd doing this years ago.
mathieuicandy is also abandoned and has quite a number of issues, if I remember correctly
fippoge0rg: because bear had not been beating up lance enough at the point in time otalk.im was written and kaiwa is just a frontend fork? :-p
KevZash: You woludn't have, it's not shipped yet so I don't mention it.
GuusCandy is limited to MUC, isn't it?
ZashKev: MVC with the MC part serverside?
ZashGuus: Yes
Guus(no rosters, no direct chats other than MUC one-on-oneś)
KevGuus: It does nice things like supporting browser resets and things.
KevZash: Something not a million miles away from that.
Ge0rGKev: can't you have all the nice things with HTML5+JS SPAs?
GuusKev: is there any info on it online?
KevGuus: None, sorry.
GuusKev: ETA?
Guus(ballpark)
KevI don't have one, sorry. I hate giving dates and being wrong. It's unlikely to be Free, though, so I suspect that means it's not interesting to you.
Ge0rGfippo: pardon?
GuusKev: you might be wrong there. I mentioned above that i'm interested in paid versions of 'chat service' implementations - especially when they're more than the "click here to chat with one of our support members" types of propositions that I've found so far.
Sonnyhas left
Sonnyhas joined
fippoge0rg: there is a lot of backstory behind kaiwa and otalk.im...
Ge0rGfippo: what I'm wondering is if it would work when served from apache, without nodejs, or if it makes sense to make a feature request for that
fippoge0rg: kaiwa is still developed? the reason for a node server was that webpack wasn't available back when this stuff was written and webpack makes it very easy to generate a static file that you can upload
Ge0rGfippo: I don't know if it is still developed.
xyzhas joined
SamWhitedhas left
SamWhitedhas joined
Yagizahas left
mhterreshas joined
Sonnyhas left
Sonnyhas joined
bjchas left
ralphmhas left
SamWhitedhas left
SamWhitedhas joined
HolgerThe ForNeVeR fork (<https://github.com/ForNeVeR/Kaiwa>) is still somewhat alive.
Ge0rGBut also requires nodejs.
Ge0rGAll I want is a nice web frontend to xmpp :>
ZashIf you want something done, you usually have to do it yourself.
HolgerGe0rG: I think there was a way to serve the ForNeVeR fork statically. But it might be undocumented. Or nonexistent.
Tobiashas joined
SamWhitedhas left
SamWhitedhas joined
Ge0rGZash: I can't do everything myself.
MattJMe neither
Ge0rGMattJ: which reminds me... we have a new week now! :P
MattJ:/
Yagizahas joined
ZashIs the XSF ical file being update properly now? poke SamWhited?
Zashfiles* maybe?
ZashLooks like
Ge0rGMattJ: I've been hunting a MUC joining bug in yaxim for half a year or so, and I'm pretty sure it is caused by mod_throttle_presence. But essentially I can't prove it until the latter is fixed :(
ZashGe0rG: Try the other one I published recently?
TobiasZash, just would nee a nice JS based display widget on xmpp.org website :)
Valerianhas left
SamWhitedZash: we have an ical file?
SamWhited(actually, someone told me about this, but I have no idea where it is or where it comes from)
ZashApparnently
ZashAnd it has recent XEPs in it
Ge0rGNow we only need an RSS feed! Let's bring 2000ies tech back to live
Ge0rGNow we only need an RSS feed! Let's bring 2000ies tech back to life
ZashSamWhited: whatever this is http://xmpp.org/calendar/xsf-all.ics
SamWhitedBe careful, it's been years but I still disolve into pools of tears at the mention of Google Reader… I miss my feeds.
Ge0rGSamWhited: I'm using tt-rss for many years now. Sometimes it pays off to pick a decentralized crappy solution over a Google property.
SamWhitedI looked into that one, and vaguely remember thinking it was a security disaster waiting to happen, but that was a while ago, don't remember why. Possibly just because it's all written in PHP.
Ge0rGSamWhited: yeah, you can't deploy PHP without http auth.
TobiasSamWhited, back in the old days we used https://github.com/buddycloud/buddycloud-xep/blob/master/xmpp/calgen.py to generate calendars
Tobiasbut that script seems to be in none of our repos today
jubalhhas joined
Tobiaswho knows what other fancy tools are there in the past :)
ralphmhas joined
Yagizahas left
SamWhitedhas left
jubalhhas left
bjchas joined
jubalhhas joined
danielhas left
danielhas joined
Ge0rGhas left
Lancehas joined
jubalhhas left
danielhas left
danielhas joined
Yagizahas joined
danielhas left
danielhas joined
Yagizahas left
ralphmhas left
Yagizahas joined
Yagizahas left
Ge0rGhas joined
vanitasvitaehas left
Guushas left
tim@boese-ban.dehas left
Lancehas left
Flowhas left
Yagizahas joined
tim@boese-ban.dehas left
Guushas left
Yagizahas left
Yagizahas joined
xyzhas left
xyzhas joined
waqashas joined
Valerianhas joined
xyzhas left
Yagizahas left
Yagizahas joined
Yagizahas left
Yagizahas joined
xyzhas joined
Yagizahas left
xyzhas left
xyzhas joined
xyzhas left
xyzhas joined
daurnimatorhas left
xyzhas left
Yagizahas joined
Sonnyhas left
Sonnyhas joined
Tobiashas left
Yagizahas left
Guushas left
Steve Killehas left
Steve Killehas left
Sonnyhas left
Sonnyhas joined
Yagizahas joined
Yagizahas left
Steve Killehas joined
liebrehas joined
danielhas left
danielhas joined
Sonnyhas left
Sonnyhas joined
danielhas left
danielhas joined
nycohas left
nycohas joined
Steve Killehas left
SamWhitedhas left
danielhas left
danielhas joined
danielhas left
danielhas joined
xyzhas joined
Sonnyhas left
Sonnyhas joined
waqashas left
waqashas joined
waqashas left
waqashas joined
waqashas left
waqashas joined
waqashas left
waqashas joined
Guushas left
waqashas left
waqashas joined
waqashas left
Yagizahas joined
SamWhitedhas left
Sonnyhas left
Sonnyhas joined
Guushas left
GuusI tried this half a day ago, but since the other side of the world is awake now, I'll rephrase my question one more time:
GuusI'm looking for an IM-as-a-service type of solution, (integration with web, possibly also mobile/desktop), that is not limited to "chat with one of our support staff" type of solutions. An alternative to something that you'd roll on your own as a combination of Converse/Candy et.al., a couple of desktop and mobile clients, and a server of choice. I am aware of the existence of services like smartsupp.com and cobrowser.nl, but those are very support-oriented (and limited to a web integration only, as far as I can tell). I'm looking for something that allows users the communicate amongst themselves.
GuusThoughts?
edhelasGuus, Movim
manchohas left
Guusedhelas: Perhaps. I was under the impression that Movim was more of a complete social network in itself (instead of somethign that you'd easily integrate with an existing platform)?
manchohas left
manchohas joined
Alexhas left
Alexhas joined
waqashas joined
edhelaswell you can tune it, depends what you say about "integration"
edhelasbut if you want a mini-chat on the bottom-right of your website, no it doesn't fit
Valerianhas left
xyzhas left
pep.has left
Ge0rGhas left
xyzhas joined
Ge0rGhas joined
Ge0rGhas left
vanitasvitaehas left
McKaelhas left
danielhas left
danielhas joined
danielhas left
Ge0rGhas left
danielhas joined
goffihas left
Guushas left
McKaelhas joined
mimi89999Is XEP-0066 obsolete?
Guushas left
SamWhitedNo, but if you're using it for media then xep-0385 may be a better choice (although I don't think many people have had a chance to implement it yet)
Alexhas left
Ge0rGhas left
Guushas left
Alexhas joined
Tobiashas joined
Ge0rGhas left
danielhas left
danielhas joined
xyzhas left
dwdhas left
boothj5has joined
tim@boese-ban.dehas joined
boothj5has left
Flowhas left
xyzhas joined
Alexhas left
Alexhas joined
winfriedhas left
winfriedhas joined
manchohas left
moparisthebestGuus: owncloud had a client only xmpp client plugin but now it can run a server too, whole xmpp server in PHP as plugin
XSF Discussion - 2017-01-23