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Ge0rG
I just realized that the old and the new Carbons rules fail to address 0184 and 0333.
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Guus
wiki-maintainers, could we have basic wiki markup functionality and templates?
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Guus
simple references do not appear to work, even the ones that do not use templats.
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Guus
It appears to be a matter of installing extensions: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite#Installation
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MattJ
Maybe we should bundle the roster into bind2
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waqas
MattJ: Clearly a better idea would be a transaction construct ^^
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waqas
<transaction> … stanzas … </transaction> :)
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Zash
<iq type=set><transaction>...</transaction></iq>
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Ge0rG
What would be the implications of allowing carbonation of body-less "normal" messages? Wasn't this recently discussed in the context of MAM?
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Tobias
hmmm..carbonated messages
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Tobias
sprinkling presences
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Ge0rG
Tobias: 0% sugar, 100% copy.
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Zash
Ge0rG: What kind of messages are you thinking of?
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Ge0rG
Zash: specifically 0184, 0333. But it will probably affect many more.
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Tobias
CSN?
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Zash
Don't those two use type=chat?
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Zash
Ge0rG: In the context of MAM, aren't the result messages type=normal with no <body>?
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Ge0rG
'The default value of the 'type' attribute is "normal".' and I see no type= in 0184 nor 0333
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Zash
-xep 184
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Bunneh
Zash: XEP-0184: Message Delivery Receipts is (Draft, 2011-03-01) See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0184.html
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Ge0rG
there is a value in cc'ing 0184 acks.
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Ge0rG
like in cc'ing errors.
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Zash
CC all the things
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Ge0rG
if I sent a "hey, I'm on my way" from $desktop, I can see on $mobile whether it was delivered/bounced
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Ge0rG
Zash: that's exactly why I'm asking.
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Zash
Ge0rG: Doesn't look like 184 says anything about the type.
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Zash
I'd find it sane to use the same type as the message being ack'd
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Ge0rG
Zash: but you are no client developer.
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Ge0rG
and I can't imagine client developers out there listening to The Word of Zash and therefore doing The Right Thing. At least I didn't.
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Zash
Ge0rG: I am not. I think that's something mentioned in another XEP, which I think should be applied in more contexts.
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Ge0rG
Zash: and then we'll end up with error-acks :>
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Ge0rG
what other XEPs are using type=normal and have no body?
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mathieui
W 13
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Tobias
Zash, did you implement xep-0233 in prosody?
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Zash
"implement"
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Tobias
you reported people being happy :P
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Zash
I made https://modules.prosody.im/mod_saslname.html
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Zash
Whoever I made it for was happy.
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Zash
Don't remember much else.
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Ge0rG
so, which other protocols do use message type=normal without a body?
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MattJ
KIND: message TYPE: normal NOT INSPECT: body LOG=This one: $(stanza:top_tag())
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Zash
xeps-hg$ hg extdiff -r 'last(file("xep-0313.xml"))' -p $PWD/xepdiff | q https://q.zash.se/8629a78c4a3c.txt
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Zash
Best part is that it produces a MIX diff
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Zash
Earlier version was using wdiff, which doesn't like directories, so it picks one file to diff.
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Zash
ah nm
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Ge0rG
MattJ: can I apply that rule to the XEPs repository?
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Zash
grep the examples
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Ge0rG
Zash: for "<message"?
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Zash
what
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Zash
the
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Zash
https://q.zash.se/3f91f5ba68e7.txt
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Ge0rG
Not quite the answer I hoped for, but thanks
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Zash
https://q.zash.se/d07ea0aae5bc.txt
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Zash
Why isn't 'chat' the default anyways?
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Flow
Zash: because it's not normal
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Zash
Messages of type chat are not normal. But in XMPP they are.
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Zash
XMPP. Not even once.