XSF Discussion - 2017-02-27

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06:07:03 jonasw will there be anything interesting going on XSF-wise on the Chemitzer Linux Tage?
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08:07:15 Ge0rG Oh, it's that time again. I don't think there are any plans, but I'm going there
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08:09:26 jonasw I’ll be there too, I think. Not sure which day(s) yet, gotta check the schedule of the event and my own :)
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11:05:40 Flow Any BOSH experts in here who can/want comment on https://github.com/igniterealtime/jbosh/pull/4 ?
11:06:16 Zash jonasw: What where when?
11:07:53 Flow zash: CLT in Karl-Marx-Stadt, err, chemnitz: https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2017/de
11:08:07 Flow Ge0rG, daniel and I where there last year
11:08:46 mathieui §W 5
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11:11:36 MattJ Flow, the logic failure is that the client doesn't need to wait for an acknowledgement before it can send more requests (putting aside the normal BOSH rules about multiple open requests)
11:12:13 dwd Flow, What PR#4 is saying doesn't immediately seem wrong - that one could use HTTP responses as acks - but the code doesn't appear to do this, and also what MattJ says.
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11:16:19 Flow Thanks MattJ, dwd. I think OPs main problem is using BOSH with only one (processing) thread. That will always cause a delay in one of the directions (if I'm not mistaken).
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11:36:14 Zash Blocking HTTP requests?
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12:39:53 daniel Guus: re that openfire connection issue. Is there a chance that the the upgrade somehow caused sasl mechanisms to vanish
12:40:13 daniel Let's say sha1 disappearing for example
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12:52:17 Zash http://download.igniterealtime.org/openfire/docs/latest/changelog.html
13:04:21 Flow Zash: blocking http requests?
13:06:53 Zash daniel: some SCRAM changes there, maybe
13:11:44 Zash Flow: Send HTTP request, wait for response before continuing with processing, have a bad time.
13:12:10 Flow well that's what I think is happening in case only one thread is used with jbosh
13:12:48 Zash Oh it's a client side library?
13:13:03 Zash The coffee, it does nothing :|
13:15:38 Zash Hey, Guus or dwd, does Openfire still do DIGEST-MD5?
13:19:50 Zash Given the recent rush to hate on SHA-1, I'm impressed that nobody cares that DIGEST-MD5 is still around.
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13:28:08 daniel Zash: well the 24 hours news cycle and the general alarmism applies to it security news as well
13:38:00 Holger My university's server offers only PLAIN so I'm on the safe side.
13:39:47 Link Mauve <3
13:43:48 Flow PSA: Google announces today the accepted GSOC orgs
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13:44:31 Flow In 2 h 45 minutes
13:48:26 dwd Zash, DIGEST-MD5's security state hasn't really changed; the biggest weakness remains that you can churn through a lot of MD5's each second, and DIGEST-MD5 only uses three per cycle.
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13:48:38 dwd Zash, The fact it uses MD5 is *almost* irrelevant.
13:49:15 jonasw isn’t it with DIGEST-MD5 that, like with PLAIN, it is enough to listen in on the connection to be able to authenticate as that user later?
13:50:40 jonasw (I haven’t looked into it; it has been deprecated so I didn’t bother implementing it)
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13:55:24 Tobias not to forget the interop issues with digest-md5
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13:57:40 Zash dwd: I'm sure we'll receive bug reports about SCRAM-SHA-1 being terrible because SHA-1 is broken soon.
13:58:31 dwd Tobias, Oh, there are lots of problems. But using MD5 isn't really one of them.
13:58:50 dwd jonasw, No, it's not subject to replay.
13:59:10 Tobias dwd, reply with "Patches welcome!" :)
13:59:10 Zash What about active MITM?
13:59:39 dwd Zash, No channel binding, so yeah, an active MITM can work.
13:59:49 dwd Zash, But couldn't replay, still.
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14:00:29 Zash dwd: I remember there being issues with SCRAM if you could get a client to try to auth with you.
14:01:21 dwd Zash, Only in as much as you can potentially brute-force the SHA-1 and extract the plaintext equiv in a reasonable timeframe these days.
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16:12:35 Flow narf, google doesn't mention 17:00 UTC any more
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16:21:56 daniel Flow: the time line still says 1600Z
16:22:30 Flow daniel: here → https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/how-it-works/ ?
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16:23:15 jonasw How it works: 1. we freeze your browser because you’re not using chromium (jk)
16:23:25 daniel Flow, https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
16:23:50 Link Mauve jonasw, loaded quite fast here on Firefox nightly.
16:23:59 jonasw Link Mauve: it behaves oddly when XHR is forbidden :)
16:24:08 jonasw (it blocks instead of reacting on the error O_o)
16:24:17 Link Mauve Weird.
16:24:19 jonasw yes.
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17:01:40 Kev https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/6327289865306112/
17:02:14 intosi \o/
17:02:23 dwd \o/
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17:02:54 daniel Awesome
17:02:56 dwd Tobias, Want to tweet something from @xmpp?
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17:03:10 dwd (Assuming Tobias is an Approved Tweeter)
17:03:24 Kev I believe he is, yes. I need to get those credentials from Bear at some point.
17:03:24 Tobias sure
17:03:40 Tobias although i don't have any cerdentials
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17:03:54 intosi We won't hold it against you.
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17:11:25 arc Kev: did you get the email yet?
17:11:35 Kev arc: Nope.
17:11:43 Kev I just went straight to the source :)
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17:11:54 arc and?
17:12:38 Kev Kev 17:01 https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/6327289865306112/
17:12:45 arc nice
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17:18:04 arc copyleft games is in too
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17:20:50 arc i'll cross-link xsf on our ideas page for related organizations
17:20:57 dwd I got the email, came here, and Kev had already posted.
17:22:32 arc Kev: you should link xmpp related orgs on the ideas page. it helps steer students in the right direction while they're looking ;-)
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17:26:02 kaboom are there any restrictions which project/persons can become a gsoc mentor for xsf?
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17:34:33 Kev arc: If there's stuff you think I should do, can yo umail please?
17:34:47 Kev I'm in the office until Wed night, so my mind is highly lossy at the moment.
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17:34:53 Kev And now to dinner...
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18:42:52 Ge0rG Wow, the white house forbids staff to use Signal. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/sean-spicer-targets-own-staff-in-leak-crackdown-235413
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22:09:01 moparisthebest Ge0rG, as usual the media gets it wrong, the headline anyway, isn't it they were forbidden from leaking private info, meh
22:09:33 moparisthebest that's how I read it anyhow, either way no mention of xmpp/conversations/omemo in there and I don't know whether to be happy or sad about it lol
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22:48:22 mimi89999 I heart "fake news" more often in the last several months/year than during my entire life until the election crisis.
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23:06:07 mathieui because "fake news" were just called "lies" before then
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23:08:04 Link Mauve Or conspiracy theories.
23:08:11 Link Mauve Or “conspiracy theories”.
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