XSF Discussion - 2017-03-09


  1. vurpo has left

  2. vurpo has joined

  3. nicolas.verite has joined

  4. Mancho has left

  5. efrit has joined

  6. kaboom has left

  7. kaboom has left

  8. vurpo has left

  9. vurpo has joined

  10. kaboom has left

  11. kaboom has left

  12. kaboom has left

  13. moparisthebest has joined

  14. nicolas.verite has left

  15. kaboom has left

  16. moparisthebest has joined

  17. sezuan has left

  18. jere has joined

  19. kalkin has left

  20. kalkin has joined

  21. nicolas.verite has joined

  22. vurpo has left

  23. vurpo has joined

  24. kaboom has left

  25. Tobias has joined

  26. Tobias has joined

  27. nicolas.verite has left

  28. moparisthebest has joined

  29. moparisthebest has joined

  30. Tobias has joined

  31. kaboom has left

  32. vurpo has left

  33. arc has left

  34. vurpo has left

  35. kaboom has left

  36. vurpo has joined

  37. kaboom has left

  38. kaboom has left

  39. kaboom has left

  40. kalkin has left

  41. Tobias has joined

  42. Lance has left

  43. Steve Kille has joined

  44. lonerz has joined

  45. lonerz has left

  46. arc has left

  47. Tobias has joined

  48. kaboom has left

  49. uc has left

  50. moparisthebest has left

  51. moparisthebest has joined

  52. kaboom has left

  53. Tobias has joined

  54. Steve Kille has left

  55. Yagiza has joined

  56. Steve Kille has joined

  57. jere has left

  58. jere has joined

  59. Steve Kille has left

  60. kalkin has left

  61. kalkin has left

  62. daniel has left

  63. daniel has joined

  64. kalkin has joined

  65. uc has joined

  66. moparisthebest has joined

  67. jere has left

  68. jere has joined

  69. vurpo has left

  70. vurpo has joined

  71. Zash has joined

  72. Mancho has joined

  73. vurpo has left

  74. vurpo has joined

  75. vurpo has left

  76. vurpo has joined

  77. jere has left

  78. Zash has joined

  79. vurpo has left

  80. vurpo has joined

  81. vurpo has left

  82. vurpo has joined

  83. jere has joined

  84. suzyo has joined

  85. Ge0rG has left

  86. Guus has left

  87. Guus has joined

  88. Steve Kille has joined

  89. Guus has left

  90. Guus has joined

  91. mimi89999 has left

  92. mimi89999 has left

  93. suzyo has left

  94. mimi89999 has joined

  95. vurpo has left

  96. vurpo has joined

  97. jere has left

  98. vurpo has left

  99. vurpo has joined

  100. suzyo has joined

  101. vurpo has left

  102. Valerian has joined

  103. vurpo has joined

  104. vurpo has left

  105. vurpo has joined

  106. Guus has left

  107. Guus has joined

  108. vurpo has left

  109. vurpo has joined

  110. Guus has left

  111. Guus has joined

  112. suzyo has left

  113. SamWhited has left

  114. kalkin has left

  115. Guus has left

  116. Guus has joined

  117. vurpo has left

  118. vurpo has joined

  119. vurpo has left

  120. vurpo has joined

  121. vurpo has left

  122. Steve Kille has left

  123. efrit has joined

  124. kalkin has joined

  125. vurpo has joined

  126. vurpo has left

  127. vurpo has joined

  128. vurpo has left

  129. kalkin has left

  130. nicolas.verite has joined

  131. vurpo has joined

  132. suzyo has joined

  133. Ge0rG has left

  134. vurpo has left

  135. nyco has left

  136. nicolas.verite has left

  137. kalkin has joined

  138. Guus has left

  139. Guus has joined

  140. jonasw has left

  141. daniel has left

  142. vurpo has joined

  143. nicolas.verite has joined

  144. winfried has joined

  145. winfried has joined

  146. daniel has joined

  147. Guus has left

  148. Guus has joined

  149. Valerian has left

  150. nicolas.verite has left

  151. daniel has left

  152. daniel has joined

  153. Guus has left

  154. Guus has joined

  155. Guus has left

  156. Guus has joined

  157. nicolas.verite has joined

  158. moparisthebest has left

  159. vurpo has left

  160. lonerz has joined

  161. lonerz has left

  162. moparisthebest has joined

  163. vurpo has joined

  164. Steve Kille has joined

  165. kalkin has left

  166. Guus has left

  167. Guus has joined

  168. Guus has left

  169. Guus has joined

  170. Ge0rG has left

  171. Valerian has joined

  172. kalkin has joined

  173. daniel has left

  174. daniel has joined

  175. jubalh has joined

  176. suzyo has left

  177. jubalh has left

  178. jubalh has joined

  179. jubalh has left

  180. daniel has left

  181. daniel has joined

  182. Laura has joined

  183. goffi has joined

  184. sonny has joined

  185. Guus has left

  186. Laura has left

  187. intosi has joined

  188. Guus has joined

  189. Ge0rG has joined

  190. suzyo has joined

  191. Kev has joined

  192. Martin has joined

  193. dwd has joined

  194. Valerian has left

  195. Valerian has joined

  196. jonasw has left

  197. Alex has joined

  198. suzyo has left

  199. jonasw has left

  200. suzyo has joined

  201. Ge0rG has left

  202. Valerian has left

  203. Valerian has joined

  204. Mancho has left

  205. jere has joined

  206. daniel has left

  207. daniel has joined

  208. blipp has left

  209. blipp has joined

  210. nicolas.verite has left

  211. Alex has left

  212. vurpo has left

  213. vurpo has joined

  214. jubalh has joined

  215. jubalh has left

  216. vurpo has left

  217. sonny has left

  218. vurpo has joined

  219. vurpo has left

  220. vurpo has joined

  221. vurpo has left

  222. vurpo has joined

  223. vurpo has left

  224. vurpo has joined

  225. vurpo has left

  226. vurpo has joined

  227. vurpo has left

  228. vurpo has joined

  229. vurpo has left

  230. vurpo has joined

  231. tim@boese-ban.de has left

  232. tim@boese-ban.de has joined

  233. Mancho has left

  234. vurpo has left

  235. vurpo has joined

  236. vurpo has left

  237. vurpo has joined

  238. vurpo has left

  239. vurpo has joined

  240. Yagiza has left

  241. vurpo has left

  242. vurpo has joined

  243. vurpo has left

  244. vurpo has joined

  245. vurpo has left

  246. Mancho has left

  247. vurpo has joined

  248. vurpo has left

  249. vurpo has joined

  250. mhterres has joined

  251. blipp has left

  252. blipp has joined

  253. nicolas.verite has joined

  254. vurpo has left

  255. vurpo has joined

  256. Steve Kille has left

  257. nicolas.verite has left

  258. nicolas.verite has joined

  259. vurpo has left

  260. vurpo has joined

  261. Valerian has left

  262. mimi89999 has joined

  263. nicolas.verite has left

  264. nicolas.verite has joined

  265. kaboom has joined

  266. vurpo has left

  267. vurpo has joined

  268. nicolas.verite has left

  269. nyco has joined

  270. nicolas.verite has joined

  271. vurpo has left

  272. vurpo has joined

  273. nicolas.verite has left

  274. Alex has joined

  275. mimi89999 has joined

  276. nicolas.verite has joined

  277. jonasw

    good day, XSF

  278. Tobias

    ahoy

  279. Valerian has joined

  280. Ge0rG

    A good day indeed.

  281. Flow has joined

  282. vurpo has left

  283. vurpo has joined

  284. sonny has joined

  285. daniel has left

  286. daniel has joined

  287. kaboom has left

  288. daniel has left

  289. daniel has joined

  290. Guus has left

  291. Guus has joined

  292. moparisthebest has joined

  293. Steve Kille has joined

  294. vurpo has left

  295. moparisthebest has joined

  296. Tobias has left

  297. vurpo has joined

  298. Zash has joined

  299. Guus has left

  300. Guus has joined

  301. Steve Kille has left

  302. daniel has left

  303. daniel has joined

  304. jere has left

  305. jere has joined

  306. daniel has left

  307. daniel has joined

  308. kaboom has left

  309. kaboom has joined

  310. vurpo has left

  311. kalkin has left

  312. Alex has left

  313. kalkin has joined

  314. kaboom has left

  315. kaboom has left

  316. Mancho has left

  317. blipp has left

  318. blipp has joined

  319. Steve Kille has joined

  320. Alex has joined

  321. bjc has left

  322. bjc has joined

  323. kaboom has left

  324. vurpo has left

  325. vurpo has joined

  326. tobias has joined

  327. bjc has left

  328. kaboom has left

  329. suzyo has left

  330. Mancho has left

  331. suzyo has joined

  332. winfried has left

  333. winfried has joined

  334. kaboom has left

  335. kaboom has left

  336. mimi89999 has joined

  337. waqas has joined

  338. kalkin has left

  339. mimi89999 has joined

  340. kaboom has left

  341. Yagiza has joined

  342. kaboom has left

  343. vurpo has left

  344. vurpo has joined

  345. efrit has joined

  346. vurpo has left

  347. vurpo has joined

  348. vurpo has left

  349. vurpo has joined

  350. Zash has joined

  351. efrit has joined

  352. SouL has left

  353. Bunneh has left

  354. Bunneh has joined

  355. vurpo has left

  356. vurpo has joined

  357. nicolas.verite has left

  358. vurpo has left

  359. vurpo has joined

  360. vurpo has left

  361. vurpo has joined

  362. vurpo has left

  363. vurpo has joined

  364. uc has left

  365. SamWhited

    moparisthebest: When you get a second, could you glance over my PR and give a final thumbs up or thumbs down? I just made minor editorial changes (making sure things were linked properly) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/445

  366. kaboom has left

  367. bjc has joined

  368. uc has joined

  369. lskdjf has joined

  370. vurpo has left

  371. lskdjf has left

  372. lskdjf has joined

  373. vurpo has joined

  374. vurpo has left

  375. suzyo has left

  376. suzyo has joined

  377. nicolas.verite has joined

  378. nicolas.verite has left

  379. vurpo has joined

  380. vurpo has left

  381. vurpo has joined

  382. vurpo has left

  383. nyco has joined

  384. vurpo has joined

  385. Kev has left

  386. nicolas.verite has joined

  387. nicolas.verite has left

  388. lskdjf has left

  389. Tobias has joined

  390. goffi has left

  391. Valerian has left

  392. lskdjf has joined

  393. nicolas.verite has joined

  394. nicolas.verite has left

  395. nicolas.verite has joined

  396. nicolas.verite has left

  397. nicolas.verite has joined

  398. nicolas.verite has left

  399. jonasw has left

  400. nicolas.verite has joined

  401. nicolas.verite has left

  402. nicolas.verite has joined

  403. nicolas.verite has left

  404. vurpo has left

  405. tobias has left

  406. tobias has left

  407. vurpo has joined

  408. vurpo has left

  409. Valerian has joined

  410. lskdjf has left

  411. vurpo has joined

  412. vurpo has left

  413. vurpo has joined

  414. jubalh has joined

  415. jubalh has left

  416. vurpo has left

  417. Valerian has left

  418. vurpo has joined

  419. vurpo has left

  420. vurpo has joined

  421. Valerian has joined

  422. vurpo has left

  423. vurpo has joined

  424. sezuan has left

  425. nicolas.verite has joined

  426. Steve Kille has left

  427. xnyhps has left

  428. nyco has joined

  429. nicolas.verite has left

  430. kalkin has joined

  431. moparisthebest

    SamWhited, gave it my thumbs up

  432. nicolas.verite has joined

  433. nicolas.verite has left

  434. Steve Kille has left

  435. SamWhited

    awesome; will merge in a bit and then figure out who I need to ping at IANA to get everything registered properly.

  436. nicolas.verite has joined

  437. moparisthebest

    SamWhited, https://www.iana.org/assignments/tls-extensiontype-values/tls-extensiontype-values.xhtml#alpn-protocol-ids says to contact 'Joe Salowey' if I read it right

  438. nicolas.verite has left

  439. moparisthebest

    for ALPN protocols anyway

  440. SamWhited

    yah, I'm not actually sure how their expert review process works; I'll double check.

  441. xnyhps has joined

  442. moparisthebest

    I also have no idea

  443. moparisthebest

    also SamWhited someone said you should register SRV service names, but also have no idea about that

  444. Steve Kille has joined

  445. SamWhited

    moparisthebest: Thanks, I'll look into it and update the IANA considerations section if anything else needs to be registered.

  446. moparisthebest

    thanks!

  447. kaboom has left

  448. nicolas.verite has joined

  449. Guus has left

  450. Guus has joined

  451. vurpo has left

  452. moparisthebest

    somewhat related question, I recall when I first proposed this someone (maybe dwd?) said it should eventually be an RFC instead of a XEP but we'd cross that bridge when we came to it, is that still true? and is XEP Draft status where that bridge lies?

  453. kaboom has left

  454. vurpo has joined

  455. kaboom has left

  456. vurpo has left

  457. vurpo has joined

  458. nyco has left

  459. nicolas.verite has left

  460. nicolas.verite has joined

  461. nicolas.verite has left

  462. nicolas.verite has joined

  463. nicolas.verite has left

  464. nicolas.verite has joined

  465. nicolas.verite has left

  466. nicolas.verite has joined

  467. nicolas.verite has left

  468. kalkin has left

  469. nicolas.verite has joined

  470. vurpo has left

  471. nicolas.verite has left

  472. kalkin has joined

  473. nyco has left

  474. nicolas.verite has joined

  475. nicolas.verite has left

  476. Tobias has joined

  477. vurpo has joined

  478. Flow has left

  479. mhterres has left

  480. suzyo has left

  481. nicolas.verite has joined

  482. suzyo has joined

  483. nicolas.verite has left

  484. goffi has left

  485. Mancho has left

  486. vurpo has left

  487. vurpo has joined

  488. vurpo has left

  489. vurpo has joined

  490. vurpo has left

  491. vurpo has joined

  492. vurpo has left

  493. vurpo has joined

  494. nicolas.verite has joined

  495. vurpo has left

  496. vurpo has joined

  497. Valerian has left

  498. vurpo has left

  499. vurpo has joined

  500. vurpo has left

  501. vurpo has joined

  502. vurpo has left

  503. jere has left

  504. jere has joined

  505. Lance has joined

  506. vurpo has joined

  507. vurpo has left

  508. vurpo has joined

  509. suzyo has left

  510. Guus has left

  511. vurpo has left

  512. Guus has joined

  513. vurpo has joined

  514. vurpo has left

  515. vurpo has joined

  516. Tobias has joined

  517. Martin has left

  518. lskdjf has joined

  519. goffi has joined

  520. Guus has left

  521. Guus has joined

  522. Guus has left

  523. Valerian has joined

  524. Guus has joined

  525. Ge0rG

    Is it possible to find out when a contact was last online? Something like https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/last-seen-online.html maybe?

  526. SouL has left

  527. Mancho has left

  528. Ge0rG

    [xep 256]? [xep 319]?

  529. fippo

    ge0rg: xep 12?

  530. Zash

    > This is merly a description since the protocol is already described in RFC 6121

  531. Ge0rG

    So what is actually used by im clients and servers in the wild?

  532. Yagiza has left

  533. Steve Kille has left

  534. Zash has joined

  535. Zash

    http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2013-02-27/#16:05:17

  536. kalkin has left

  537. kalkin has joined

  538. blipp has left

  539. blipp has joined

  540. waqas has left

  541. ralphm has left

  542. vurpo has left

  543. vurpo has joined

  544. Guus has left

  545. Guus has joined

  546. vurpo has left

  547. vurpo has joined

  548. Tobias has joined

  549. vurpo has left

  550. vurpo has joined

  551. kalkin has left

  552. kalkin has joined

  553. efrit has joined

  554. nyco has left

  555. nicolas.verite has left

  556. Guus

    who here can help me figure out how to fix the site?

  557. Zash

    Is the site broken?

  558. nicolas.verite has joined

  559. nicolas.verite has left

  560. Guus

    the automatic deployment to it

  561. Guus

    I checked in a change, which locally works. Travis agrees with it too, but at the server, something stagnates

  562. Guus

    I don't have access there, so I'm not sure of the details. Best I can figure is that my local environment nor Travis is a good representation of our production environment.

  563. Guus

    I'd like to fix that (and resolve the issue causing the stagnation in the process)

  564. jubalh has joined

  565. Guus

    this might relate to the same problem: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/247

  566. Ge0rG

    Zash: so that proto XEP is in the inbox for over four years now? Awesome.

  567. kalkin has left

  568. kalkin has joined

  569. moparisthebest

    they said protoxeps never get removed Ge0rG

  570. moparisthebest

    cause it'd break links

  571. Zash

    I didn't see any definite rejection in that log, but I didn't look further.

  572. nicolas.verite has joined

  573. nicolas.verite has left

  574. nicolas.verite has joined

  575. nicolas.verite has left

  576. nicolas.verite has joined

  577. nicolas.verite has left

  578. nicolas.verite has joined

  579. nicolas.verite has left

  580. Lance

    That protoxep became https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0318.html

  581. vurpo has left

  582. Zash

    No redirect in place?

  583. nicolas.verite has joined

  584. nicolas.verite has left

  585. vurpo has left

  586. Guus

    intosi, kev, tobias - you're the only people that I'm aware that can help me out (with access to the webserver) so unless you redirect my efforts elsewhere, I'll keep poking you for help

  587. nicolas.verite has joined

  588. nicolas.verite has left

  589. nicolas.verite has joined

  590. nicolas.verite has left

  591. nicolas.verite has joined

  592. nicolas.verite has left

  593. nicolas.verite has joined

  594. nicolas.verite has left

  595. nicolas.verite has joined

  596. nicolas.verite has left

  597. nicolas.verite has joined

  598. lskdjf has left

  599. Kev has joined

  600. nicolas.verite has left

  601. vurpo has left

  602. vurpo has left

  603. jubalh has left

  604. vurpo has left

  605. vurpo has joined

  606. nicolas.verite has joined

  607. jere has joined

  608. Guus has left

  609. sezuan has left

  610. SamWhited has left

  611. daniel has left

  612. daniel has joined

  613. Valerian has left

  614. nicolas.verite has left

  615. nicolas.verite has joined

  616. nicolas.verite has left

  617. daniel has left

  618. daniel has joined

  619. Tobias has joined

  620. sonny has left

  621. nicolas.verite has joined

  622. vurpo has left

  623. vurpo has joined

  624. nicolas.verite has left

  625. vurpo has left

  626. vurpo has joined

  627. Ge0rG

    Looks like somebody else had exactly the same problems with counting smileys as I did yesterday... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13830177

  628. Valerian has joined

  629. vurpo has left

  630. vurpo has joined

  631. waqas has joined

  632. nicolas.verite has joined

  633. nicolas.verite has left

  634. intosi has left

  635. Flow has joined

  636. Ge0rG

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13832787 http://homebrewserver.club/have-you-considered-the-alternative.html - longish article about federated and encrypted messaging

  637. Lance has left

  638. daniel

    >developed by Open Whisper Systems, a non-profit Lol

  639. kaboom has left

  640. Lance has joined

  641. bjc has left

  642. kaboom

    it depends on the definition of non-profit 😉

  643. nicolas.verite has joined

  644. nicolas.verite has left

  645. nicolas.verite has joined

  646. nicolas.verite has left

  647. Zash has joined

  648. kaboom has left

  649. daniel

    kaboom, non-profit is actually pretty well defined

  650. daniel

    it doesn't mean mean "does not return any profit" because in that case Uber would be a non-profit as well

  651. Zash

    "non-profit" or "not for profit"?

  652. kaboom

    return any profit to whom? most organisations often called non-profits have paid employees

  653. Zash

    Share holders?

  654. nicolas.verite has joined

  655. kaboom

    if (one of) the share holder(s) is such an employee?

  656. SamWhited has joined

  657. nicolas.verite has left

  658. nicolas.verite has joined

  659. nicolas.verite has left

  660. nicolas.verite has joined

  661. nicolas.verite has left

  662. nicolas.verite has joined

  663. nicolas.verite has left

  664. nicolas.verite has joined

  665. nicolas.verite has left

  666. nicolas.verite has joined

  667. nicolas.verite has left

  668. Lance has left

  669. jonasw has left

  670. Zash

    I'm sure share holder payouts and employee salaries have different tax rates.

  671. jere has joined

  672. kaboom

    true, here in germany they're usually less then salaries

  673. waqas has left

  674. Guus has left

  675. kalkin has left

  676. nicolas.verite has joined

  677. nicolas.verite has left

  678. nicolas.verite has joined

  679. winfried has left

  680. kalkin has joined

  681. nicolas.verite has left

  682. nicolas.verite has joined

  683. nicolas.verite has left

  684. Guus has left

  685. nicolas.verite has joined

  686. winfried has joined

  687. nicolas.verite has left

  688. nicolas.verite has joined

  689. Alex has left

  690. nicolas.verite has left

  691. Alex has joined

  692. Steve Kille has left

  693. Steve Kille has joined

  694. nicolas.verite has joined

  695. jabberjocke has joined

  696. jabberjocke has left

  697. jabberjocke has joined

  698. Flow has left

  699. Guus

    I think I figured out what is wrong with the website, and why Travis didn't pick up on that change. Travis uses the latest vesion of Pelican, while our webserver uses an older one.

  700. Guus

    https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/273/commits/35a9f81e60a5f6e945c7851534b93be492616126

  701. Valerian has left

  702. nicolas.verite has left

  703. Lance has joined

  704. moparisthebest has left

  705. moparisthebest has joined

  706. Steve Kille has left

  707. moparisthebest has left

  708. moparisthebest has joined

  709. kalkin has left

  710. Guus has left

  711. kalkin has joined

  712. nicolas.verite has joined

  713. nicolas.verite has left

  714. bjc has joined

  715. jabberjocke has left

  716. nicolas.verite has joined

  717. jabberjocke has joined

  718. nicolas.verite has left

  719. moparisthebest has joined

  720. moparisthebest has joined

  721. jabberjocke has left

  722. efrit has left

  723. efrit has joined

  724. nicolas.verite has joined

  725. nicolas.verite has left

  726. efrit has left

  727. efrit has joined

  728. efrit has joined

  729. efrit has joined

  730. intosi has joined

  731. jere has left

  732. nicolas.verite has joined

  733. jere has joined

  734. tim@boese-ban.de has left

  735. nicolas.verite has left

  736. nicolas.verite has joined

  737. kaboom has left

  738. nicolas.verite has left

  739. kaboom has left

  740. moparisthebest has left

  741. moparisthebest has joined

  742. nicolas.verite has joined

  743. efrit has joined

  744. nicolas.verite has left

  745. jabberjocke has joined

  746. Alex has left

  747. nicolas.verite has joined

  748. bra has left

  749. bra has joined

  750. iiro.laiho has joined

  751. nicolas.verite has left

  752. iiro.laiho has left

  753. intosi has left

  754. kaboom has left

  755. vurpo has left

  756. kalkin has left

  757. arc has left

  758. kaboom has left

  759. daniel has left

  760. jere has left

  761. jere has joined

  762. kaboom has left

  763. kaboom has left

  764. kaboom has left

  765. kaboom has left

  766. kaboom has left

  767. moparisthebest has joined

  768. kaboom has left

  769. kaboom has left

  770. kaboom has left

  771. kaboom has left

  772. kaboom has left

  773. pep. has joined

  774. kaboom has left

  775. vurpo has left

  776. vurpo has joined

  777. kaboom has left

  778. vurpo has left

  779. vurpo has joined

  780. kaboom has left

  781. goffi has left