XSF Discussion - 2017-03-09

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11:59:41 jonasw good day, XSF
12:00:21 Tobias ahoy
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12:01:45 Ge0rG A good day indeed.
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15:28:34 SamWhited moparisthebest: When you get a second, could you glance over my PR and give a final thumbs up or thumbs down? I just made minor editorial changes (making sure things were linked properly) https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/445
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16:49:26 moparisthebest SamWhited, gave it my thumbs up
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16:52:26 SamWhited awesome; will merge in a bit and then figure out who I need to ping at IANA to get everything registered properly.
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16:53:38 moparisthebest SamWhited, https://www.iana.org/assignments/tls-extensiontype-values/tls-extensiontype-values.xhtml#alpn-protocol-ids says to contact 'Joe Salowey' if I read it right
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16:53:45 moparisthebest for ALPN protocols anyway
16:54:11 SamWhited yah, I'm not actually sure how their expert review process works; I'll double check.
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16:58:02 moparisthebest I also have no idea
16:58:34 moparisthebest also SamWhited someone said you should register SRV service names, but also have no idea about that
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17:00:05 SamWhited moparisthebest: Thanks, I'll look into it and update the IANA considerations section if anything else needs to be registered.
17:00:33 moparisthebest thanks!
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17:06:00 moparisthebest somewhat related question, I recall when I first proposed this someone (maybe dwd?) said it should eventually be an RFC instead of a XEP but we'd cross that bridge when we came to it, is that still true? and is XEP Draft status where that bridge lies?
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18:08:11 Ge0rG Is it possible to find out when a contact was last online? Something like https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/last-seen-online.html maybe?
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18:15:55 Ge0rG [xep 256]? [xep 319]?
18:21:26 fippo ge0rg: xep 12?
18:22:07 Zash > This is merly a description since the protocol is already described in RFC 6121
18:22:46 Ge0rG So what is actually used by im clients and servers in the wild?
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18:25:50 Zash http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2013-02-27/#16:05:17
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19:00:28 Guus who here can help me figure out how to fix the site?
19:00:35 Zash Is the site broken?
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19:00:52 Guus the automatic deployment to it
19:01:35 Guus I checked in a change, which locally works. Travis agrees with it too, but at the server, something stagnates
19:02:17 Guus I don't have access there, so I'm not sure of the details. Best I can figure is that my local environment nor Travis is a good representation of our production environment.
19:02:34 Guus I'd like to fix that (and resolve the issue causing the stagnation in the process)
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19:03:17 Guus this might relate to the same problem: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/247
19:03:46 Ge0rG Zash: so that proto XEP is in the inbox for over four years now? Awesome.
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19:04:42 moparisthebest they said protoxeps never get removed Ge0rG
19:04:46 moparisthebest cause it'd break links
19:05:47 Zash I didn't see any definite rejection in that log, but I didn't look further.
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19:09:22 Lance That protoxep became https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0318.html
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19:09:55 Zash No redirect in place?
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19:12:57 Guus intosi, kev, tobias - you're the only people that I'm aware that can help me out (with access to the webserver) so unless you redirect my efforts elsewhere, I'll keep poking you for help
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19:46:03 Ge0rG Looks like somebody else had exactly the same problems with counting smileys as I did yesterday... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13830177
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19:54:50 Ge0rG https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13832787 http://homebrewserver.club/have-you-considered-the-alternative.html - longish article about federated and encrypted messaging
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19:57:05 daniel >developed by Open Whisper Systems, a non-profit Lol
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20:03:08 kaboom it depends on the definition of non-profit 😉
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20:15:14 daniel kaboom, non-profit is actually pretty well defined
20:15:47 daniel it doesn't mean mean "does not return any profit" because in that case Uber would be a non-profit as well
20:16:08 Zash "non-profit" or "not for profit"?
20:16:33 kaboom return any profit to whom? most organisations often called non-profits have paid employees
20:16:45 Zash Share holders?
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20:17:15 kaboom if (one of) the share holder(s) is such an employee?
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20:29:09 Zash I'm sure share holder payouts and employee salaries have different tax rates.
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20:32:10 kaboom true, here in germany they're usually less then salaries
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21:00:49 Guus I think I figured out what is wrong with the website, and why Travis didn't pick up on that change. Travis uses the latest vesion of Pelican, while our webserver uses an older one.
21:00:51 Guus https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/273/commits/35a9f81e60a5f6e945c7851534b93be492616126
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