XSF Discussion - 2017-03-17

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09:08:58 jonasw good morning
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09:45:34 dwd Morning all.
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09:48:30 Guus o/
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10:55:46 Ge0rG Hm. Even quoting of messages (with attribution) is a science. Should one use "$nickname wrote:\n> $message" (i18n-nightmare on multi-language MUCs), "$nickname:\n> $message" (i18n-neutral but does not properly indicate attribution), or maybe "$nickname (HH:MM):\n> $message" (the HH:MM is a hint that this is a quote and not a mention, but exposes local time)
10:56:06 Ge0rG Ge0rG (11:55): > Hm. Even quoting of messages [...]
10:56:10 Ge0rG doesn't look too bad, does it?
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10:57:40 Ge0rG Is this something that should be part of IM Usability Guidelines or should every client implement their own common sense understanding of what's the problem and the solution?
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11:02:04 Ge0rG Of course there is also "$nickname> $message" but it looks strange on multi-line messages.
11:02:09 dwd Format-flowed in IM? Use <thread/> and an in-reply-to SHIM to indicate the provenence?
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11:03:21 Ge0rG dwd: that works in theory if you stay in the same MUC. Sometimes you also want to cross-quote ;) And then there is the Usability challenge of properly displaying <thread> relations
11:04:09 dwd Ge0rG, Does this *need* a standard?
11:04:41 Ge0rG dwd: this is part of my question
11:04:59 dwd Ge0rG, Yeah. I think I don't care (enough). At least not yet.
11:05:27 Ge0rG dwd: it's lower on my needs-a-standard priority list than having the same color scheme for MUC participant nicknames.
11:05:32 Ge0rG ...over clients
11:05:50 Kev References? :)
11:05:55 intosi -1 why?
11:06:03 dwd Kev, References does everything.
11:06:26 Kev Everything to do with referencing other messages, at least :)
11:07:47 dwd And referencing other things.
11:07:54 dwd We reference pubsub nodes.
11:08:07 Ge0rG And all I wanted to do is simple string manipulations.
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12:18:50 Guus Is there any way to let your contacts know why you are offline? A kind of 'extended-away' status, but explicitly while offline? ("I'm travelling until <somedate> and won't be back online before")
12:20:26 Kev Just set the reason same as any other statutus.
12:20:34 Kev On sending unavailable.
12:21:31 Guus is there any client that actually displays that?
12:22:03 Kev I think most will, but probably only if they receive it live.
12:22:21 Kev So probably not that useful, sorry.
12:22:49 Ge0rG it could be stored in PEP :>
12:25:33 Tobias or in the vCard
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12:46:30 MattJ Some servers did store this, maybe jabberd14/2
12:46:49 MattJ and it was answered in response to probes
12:47:41 Tobias that would be the expected behavior
12:47:59 Tobias https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0318.html requires that :)
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12:57:21 fippo kev: well, the other client (or its server) could send a probe and the server that has the "I am travelling" last presence could return it. now i dont think many servers return the last unavailable presence anymore these days
12:58:18 Ge0rG returning the last unavailable presence, with a delay element, would also allow to implement a kind of "last seen"
12:59:14 Flow hmm, not sure if I like the name *delay* element in this context
13:01:05 jonasw there’s even an example of delayed presence in 203: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0203.html (Example 2)
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