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good morning
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Morning all.
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Ge0rG
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Hm. Even quoting of messages (with attribution) is a science. Should one use "$nickname wrote:\n> $message" (i18n-nightmare on multi-language MUCs), "$nickname:\n> $message" (i18n-neutral but does not properly indicate attribution), or maybe "$nickname (HH:MM):\n> $message" (the HH:MM is a hint that this is a quote and not a mention, but exposes local time)
Ge0rG
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Ge0rG (11:55):
> Hm. Even quoting of messages [...]
Ge0rG
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doesn't look too bad, does it?
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Is this something that should be part of IM Usability Guidelines or should every client implement their own common sense understanding of what's the problem and the solution?
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Ge0rG
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Of course there is also "$nickname> $message" but it looks strange on multi-line messages.
dwd
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Format-flowed in IM? Use <thread/> and an in-reply-to SHIM to indicate the provenence?
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dwd: that works in theory if you stay in the same MUC. Sometimes you also want to cross-quote ;) And then there is the Usability challenge of properly displaying <thread> relations
dwd
11:04:09
Ge0rG, Does this *need* a standard?
Ge0rG
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dwd: this is part of my question
dwd
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Ge0rG, Yeah. I think I don't care (enough). At least not yet.
Ge0rG
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dwd: it's lower on my needs-a-standard priority list than having the same color scheme for MUC participant nicknames.
Ge0rG
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...over clients
Kev
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References? :)
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-1 why?
dwd
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Kev, References does everything.
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Everything to do with referencing other messages, at least :)
dwd
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And referencing other things.
dwd
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We reference pubsub nodes.
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And all I wanted to do is simple string manipulations.
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Is there any way to let your contacts know why you are offline? A kind of 'extended-away' status, but explicitly while offline? ("I'm travelling until <somedate> and won't be back online before")
Kev
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Just set the reason same as any other statutus.
Kev
12:20:34
On sending unavailable.
Guus
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is there any client that actually displays that?
Kev
12:22:03
I think most will, but probably only if they receive it live.
Kev
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So probably not that useful, sorry.
Ge0rG
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it could be stored in PEP :>
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or in the vCard
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Some servers did store this, maybe jabberd14/2
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and it was answered in response to probes
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that would be the expected behavior
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https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0318.html requires that :)
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kev: well, the other client (or its server) could send a probe and the server that has the "I am travelling" last presence could return it. now i dont think many servers return the last unavailable presence anymore these days
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returning the last unavailable presence, with a delay element, would also allow to implement a kind of "last seen"
Flow
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hmm, not sure if I like the name *delay* element in this context
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there’s even an example of delayed presence in 203: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0203.html (Example 2)
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