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jonasw
good morning
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Tobias
moin
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dwd
Morning all.
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Guus
o/
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Ge0rG
Hm. Even quoting of messages (with attribution) is a science. Should one use "$nickname wrote:\n> $message" (i18n-nightmare on multi-language MUCs), "$nickname:\n> $message" (i18n-neutral but does not properly indicate attribution), or maybe "$nickname (HH:MM):\n> $message" (the HH:MM is a hint that this is a quote and not a mention, but exposes local time)
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Ge0rG
Ge0rG (11:55): > Hm. Even quoting of messages [...]
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Ge0rG
doesn't look too bad, does it?
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Ge0rG
Is this something that should be part of IM Usability Guidelines or should every client implement their own common sense understanding of what's the problem and the solution?
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Ge0rG
Of course there is also "$nickname> $message" but it looks strange on multi-line messages.
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dwd
Format-flowed in IM? Use <thread/> and an in-reply-to SHIM to indicate the provenence?
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Ge0rG
dwd: that works in theory if you stay in the same MUC. Sometimes you also want to cross-quote ;) And then there is the Usability challenge of properly displaying <thread> relations
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dwd
Ge0rG, Does this *need* a standard?
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Ge0rG
dwd: this is part of my question
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dwd
Ge0rG, Yeah. I think I don't care (enough). At least not yet.
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Ge0rG
dwd: it's lower on my needs-a-standard priority list than having the same color scheme for MUC participant nicknames.
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Ge0rG
...over clients
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Kev
References? :)
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intosi
-1 why?
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dwd
Kev, References does everything.
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Kev
Everything to do with referencing other messages, at least :)
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dwd
And referencing other things.
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dwd
We reference pubsub nodes.
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Ge0rG
And all I wanted to do is simple string manipulations.
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Guus
Is there any way to let your contacts know why you are offline? A kind of 'extended-away' status, but explicitly while offline? ("I'm travelling until <somedate> and won't be back online before")
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Kev
Just set the reason same as any other statutus.
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Kev
On sending unavailable.
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Guus
is there any client that actually displays that?
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Kev
I think most will, but probably only if they receive it live.
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Kev
So probably not that useful, sorry.
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Ge0rG
it could be stored in PEP :>
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Tobias
or in the vCard
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MattJ
Some servers did store this, maybe jabberd14/2
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MattJ
and it was answered in response to probes
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Tobias
that would be the expected behavior
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Tobias
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0318.html requires that :)
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fippo
kev: well, the other client (or its server) could send a probe and the server that has the "I am travelling" last presence could return it. now i dont think many servers return the last unavailable presence anymore these days
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Ge0rG
returning the last unavailable presence, with a delay element, would also allow to implement a kind of "last seen"
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Flow
hmm, not sure if I like the name *delay* element in this context
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jonasw
there’s even an example of delayed presence in 203: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0203.html (Example 2)