XSF Discussion - 2017-09-18

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  77. emxp Zash: no
  78. emxp at least not in countries who sort trash
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  84. Guus oh, we do a lot of software listing here: https://xmpp.org/about/technology-overview.html. Wasn't aware of that.
  85. Guus Not sure if this works well with the software listing we do under the 'software' menu
  86. Guus also not sure if we should change it, and if so, how.
  87. jonasw we can do more magic like I did for the team pages, but I feel a bit bad about what I did there already
  88. jonasw Guus, can you take a look from where https://xmpp.org/extensions/xmpp.css comes and make sure it comes from within the container? (or delegate to someone who knows how to in iteam)
  89. Guus not sure if we should do that here, but why did you feel bad about the tema stuff?
  90. jonasw Guus, because I did a | replace(...) on markup
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  92. Guus jonasw: any reason to think that the xmpp.css does not compe from the extensions container?
  93. Guus can't immediately find rewrite rules that would cause it to serve from anywhere else
  94. jonasw it has been updated in the docker
  95. jonasw cf. https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/511
  96. Guus dockerhub seems to have been triggered
  97. Guus perhaps it didn't deploy, let me check
  98. Guus hmm, it's set up to deploy automatically
  99. jonasw are you sure we don’t need explicit rewrite rules to get stuff from *inside* the container?
  100. jonasw I think I had to interact with iteam to get xeplist.xml to be visible outside the container
  101. Guus I'm quite new to this, so I'm not sure about anything :)
  102. Guus I just forced another update, which didn't seem to affect the output
  103. Guus so the issue does not appear to be caused by the github->dockerhub->server update mechanism.
  104. Guus the container config is here, by the way: https://github.com/xsf/xep-docker-base
  105. Guus most likely, there's a rewrite rule that I didn't find on my first check
  106. Guus (which was a simple grep)
  107. Guus let me check further
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  109. Guus oh, /extensions/ isn't mapped to that repo for every resource that's under that address
  110. Guus location ~ ^/extensions/((xep-[0-9]*|xeps|rss|atom|prettify)\.(html|pdf|xml|js|css)|xep\.(ent|xsl|dtd)|xeplist.xml|inbox.+)$
  111. Guus "just" for that
  112. jonasw right :)
  113. jonasw adding a |xmpp\.css sounds reasonable
  114. jonasw (after inbox.+)
  115. Guus that's what I just did :)
  116. Guus how's that?
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  118. jonasw yay \o/
  119. jonasw take a look yourself: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0001.html
  120. Guus this does suggest that we have a duplicate for that css file somewhere
  121. jonasw indeed
  122. Guus we should remove one of them
  123. jonasw kill it with fire
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  126. Guus confused. https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/102415da28cad2dac9a2bb4c651d95932fec5f86/buildCompleteWebsite.sh#L64
  127. jonasw don’t think about that too much
  128. jonasw especially not about that sed line a bit below
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  132. Guus Unsure wher the duplicate file is
  133. Guus I'm likely missing something obvious
  134. Guus but can't spend to much more time now.
  135. jonasw the duplicate file is most likely copied by that script
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  137. Guus perhaps that copy can be removed from the script then?
  138. jonasw I think so
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  141. Guus done
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  215. pep. Anybody knows is there's more than xmpp.jp in Japan?
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  260. jonasw Guus, did I come across as if I was surprised / critizising the discussion?
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  262. Guus no, just the venue :)
  263. jonasw yes, that was a bit my intention
  264. jonasw when you wrote to members@, I was surprised that you invited people to github actually
  265. Guus Well, that's where the various screenshots where. as well as a pre-existing discussion.
  266. Guus not that I've put a lot of thought behind it.
  267. Guus in retrospect, perhaps I shouldn't have assumed that everyone has a github account
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  269. jonasw yah, I woudl have suggested to suggest to read on github and continue discussion on members@ for inclusivity
  270. jonasw every member is on members@, but not every member is on github
  271. jonasw (on the other hand, nobody complained)
  272. Guus I'll do that next time. To be honest, I didn't expect much discussion in the first place.
  273. jonasw I did (after I read the discussion on the old logo in the archives, I was confident that people will have strong opinions)
  274. Guus I suspect that most people don't care to much - it's a pretty small change.
  275. jonasw (which is why I suggested to notify members@ in the first place, at least I recall to have done so, but maybe I only planned and then you did on your own, dunno)
  276. Guus someone did, might've been you :)
  277. Kev I think Board is the right place. They can ask members or not, as they wish.
  278. Kev It was Board who commissioned the current logo.
  279. Ge0rG But it was a previous board, not the current one.
  280. Guus it's the entity, not the persons, that matter. If not, we'd have to revisit everything each time a new board is installed.
  281. intosi Ge0rG: I'm not sure how that matters.
  282. Ge0rG On rereading, I try to understand what exactly Board is the right place to do? To design which of the three logo variants to use?
  283. Ge0rG On rereading, I try to understand what exactly Board is the right place to do? To decide which of the three logo variants to use?
  284. Guus I'll suggest to Board to accept the logo improvement as suggested by me in the PR
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  286. SouL +1
  287. Guus actually, is anyone from Board here (or anyone that can add this to Trello)? The Board meetings are at a very inconvenient time for me.
  288. jonasw doesn’t have +w
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  291. Guus Martin, MattJ, nyco show 'available' in my presence list :) Can any of you please add a Trello card to the Board Trello collection: "Descide wether to accept logo improvement as provided in https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/363 "?
  292. Kev s/improvement/change/ :)
  293. Guus Hey, I went from 'fix' to 'improvement' :D
  294. Guus _just for you_ ;)
  295. SouL 😁
  296. Zash Can we go deeper? How neutral can you word that?
  297. Guus Zash: yes, we probably can. No, I won't.
  298. dwd "Are Board foolish enough to reject the magnificent improvement as provided in [...]"
  299. Guus dwd, :) and - do you still have access to the board trello thingy? I've given up on board picking up my topics from the mailing list.
  300. intosi dwd: an overwhelming majority of the people have...
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  302. Ge0rG Guus: having your item on the trello is not a guarantee for anything.
  303. tux "We, the people of XSF, hereby appeal to the Board to accept the sensible correction of our Logo as provided in... "
  304. Guus Ge0rG: for me, it's the only way that I had some success.
  305. tux Ge0rG: this could be a subtitle for a project management course
  306. Ge0rG Guus: IIRC the SCAM reference to your mail has been on trello for multiple weeks.
  307. Ge0rG tux for Board! :D
  308. Guus Ge0rG: Please note that I wrote: "some" success.
  309. MattJ Guus, https://trello.com/c/KMFd33fZ/285-approve-guuss-logo-amendments
  310. Guus (heart)
  311. Guus "amendments" nice. :)
  312. jonasw will that be the 1st amendment to our logo?
  313. Ge0rG Will the second amendment contain bear arms?
  314. MattJ The first time round I read "bear" as "beer"
  315. Guus (that was likely his intention)
  316. dwd Which'd be more apropos.
  317. Ge0rG I heard that the biggest proponents of the second amendment are also proponents of beer.
  318. Ge0rG Guus: not at all.
  319. Ge0rG But I think the association of bear arms to the second amendment is a purely US-American thing.
  320. jonasw oh dear
  321. jonasw that pun hurt me
  322. Ge0rG dear deer?
  323. Ge0rG In my opinion, that pun is the only positive thing about the second amendment.
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  347. edhelas intosi hey :)
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  371. Guus https://about.mattermost.com/blog/u-s-federal-agency-migrates-from-jabber-to-mattermost-the-open-source-way/
  372. Zash Wat
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  374. mathieui the cisco product, I assume
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  377. Guus yes
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  383. pep. I'm not sure why but I can't forget the fact that it's not XMPP. And I'm sure I'm not the only one, reading this article
  384. Zash What's not what?
  385. pep. cisco's jabber thing
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  387. Ge0rG Is it not? Maybe we need to pull their JABBER[tm] license, then?
  388. pep. Is it?
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  390. pep. "Not only did Mattermost support the Pidgin interface for hundreds of their internal users", from what I hear the gateway I really meh
  391. Zash gateways tend to be meh
  392. pep. sure
  393. Guus MUC doesn't provide a room creation date / age type of attribute out of the box, correct?
  394. Zash Lots of work to do it nicely
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  397. Zash Guus: Doesn't ring any bells, probably not.
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  444. SamWhited Does https://xmpp.org/community/events.html ever actually get updated? Someone just asked me when the summits were because there's not one on the calendar (they were looking at that page)
  445. SamWhited Maybe it should link to an up to date list?
  446. SamWhited or to the calendar
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  450. SamWhited I was going to recommend that they look at the calendar instead, but I can't actually find a link to it on the website
  451. jjrh Yeah - I can't find one.
  452. jjrh Thought it might be in the agenda somewhere but it's not.
  453. Zash That page could use some words about the annual Brussels summit
  454. SamWhited oh hi, I didn't see that you were also here :)
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  457. Guus SCAM needs to address that. Someone should kick those guys in action.
  458. Guus I saw that nyco recently added something to the wiki - but we've yet to organize ourselves
  459. Guus by-the-by: I'd welcome PRs that improve that page.
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  475. dwd Guus, FYI: SCAM is currently "only" a Work Team. The Board (on your request, probably) could spin up a SIG, which is just an open forum, no membership involved. I suspect you have something akin to this going on anyway, but it'd mean the Work Team itself would have the spend authorization, whereas the SIG can just get on with more general work like Wiki pages.
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  479. Guus dwd - I'm unsure what value the SIG would add, pragmatically. *everyone* can do pretty much anything that SCAM intends to do, apart from perhaps budgetting things, and interaction with the social media accounts. As summits, conferences and meetups are very topical, I'd expect the effecitve membership of a SIG to change between each event (well, I expect that that *wont* happen in reality).
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  481. dwd Well, yes. A SIG is, more or less, a mailing list.
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  484. Guus I can get that without formally defining a SIG
  485. Guus board already OK'd that.
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