XSF Discussion - 2017-09-29

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  155. jonasw moparisthebest, there’s always git commit --allow-empty
  156. jonasw Guus, merge the new favicon? :)
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  169. Guus jonasw: wilco
  170. Guus was giving others some time to react
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  181. jonasw \o/
  182. jonasw hm, firefox doesn’t show a favicon anymore
  183. jonasw ah, now it does
  184. edhelas you can see the difference on the favicon ? :D
  185. jonasw sure
  186. jonasw my tabs have dark background
  187. jonasw the new favicon has transparent background
  188. jonasw instead of white
  189. edhelas :)
  190. mathieui indeed
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  195. Guus Yeah, the missing white square is quite visible
  196. Guus (as is the alignment change)
  197. Guus Supposedly, this now looks good if you drag/drop the address as a tile in your favorite brand of touchscreen device.
  198. Guus (but I didn't check for that)
  199. Zash I get 404 on https://xmpp.org/favicon-16x16.png and https://xmpp.org/favicon-32x32.png
  200. Zash but https://xmpp.org/favicon.ico seems to exist
  201. Guus ah, those are likely missing redirects
  202. Guus we keep those in https://xmpp.org/icons/favicon-16x16.png etc
  203. Guus (unsure why)
  204. Guus that's odd. It appears to be a pelican-based redirect?
  205. Guus Simply fixing the template to have the correct paths seems more sensible to me.
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  207. Guus https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/371 should fix it
  208. Guus anyone want to have a quick look?
  209. Guus hmmm, I might've jumped the gun there
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  211. jonasw I don’t think that’ll work with pelican
  212. jonasw you need to declare static directories
  213. jonasw and declaring content as static won’t work/blow up everything
  214. jonasw now all we need to do is to find out why the XEP list is incomplete
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  217. Guus jonasw: Yeah, i found that myself. I've revoked that PR, and created (and merged) another
  218. Guus I'll need to leave in 25 minutes, with many things to do until then.
  219. Guus I'm afraid you're on your own for the XEP list for today
  220. jonasw I see
  221. jonasw meh, I was hoping it would magically work
  222. jonasw that XEP list still frightens me
  223. Guus I can imagine
  224. jonasw I do not understand how that is run in docker at all. the docker build never invokes buildCompleteWebsite.sh
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  226. Guus jonasw: I'm finding that the extensions root points to a temp dir
  227. Guus where the initial crash recovery took place
  228. Guus want me to remove that real quick?
  229. jonasw dooont
  230. jonasw I bet that file isn’t built
  231. jonasw that’d explain what I’m (not) seeing in the xmpp.org repository
  232. jonasw the built script is not invoked at all, if you remove that we won’t have any list
  233. jonasw the build script is not invoked at all, if you remove that we won’t have any list
  234. jonasw (now at least it makes sense that I don’t find the invocation of the build script, thanks for taking a look)
  235. jonasw I’ll then figure out a cheap way to generate the XEP table with the docker things
  236. Guus ok. it's line 83-85 in the xmpp.org nginx config file on eos. Any iteamer should be able to help you
  237. jonasw thanks
  238. Guus I'll be offline during the weekend
  239. jonasw okay
  240. jonasw have fun
  241. Guus well, on mobile
  242. Guus tx
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  264. Flow Tobias: ping about https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/508#issuecomment-331070510
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  338. Flow Ge0rG: How is "Battery saving (CSI) and push have different rules again" a problem?
  339. Ge0rG Flow: it's a matter of consistency
  340. Ge0rG Flow: also, nobody quite knows which rules to apply for push and csi
  341. Flow What would be better if they had consisten rules? Besides CSI deliberately specifies no strict rules at all (which is a good thing IMHO)
  342. MattJ Glad someone agrees with me :)
  343. Flow I mean it's not an easy thing to answer. It's one of the fields where experience from running code really matters
  344. Flow And something we eventually don't have to solve together with all the other more important and relevant issues you mention
  345. dwd Agreed. It's also not an easy thing to specify, and unclear what the interop failure by not doing so might be.
  346. dwd ie, it's a QoI issue. Some servers might be "better" (or at least more suitable for the client application), but everything should work one way or another eventually.
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  348. Ge0rG Flow: https://prosody.im/issues/issue/973 and check mod_csi_battery_saver source code for the many exceptions
  349. Flow Ge0rG: I fully aggree that it's important that we research working rules for CSI and Push. I just wanted to say that I don't think that those rules are necessarly the same, and that it's not an issue we should focus on right now
  350. MattJ Ge0rG, a couple of notes on that: it's still experimental code, and that report from you is good and healthy so we can improve the rules
  351. Ge0rG Flow: I never claimed I have the solutions
  352. MattJ The alternative would have been encoding all these rules into the XEP without prior experience
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  354. Flow Ge0rG: I would never insinuate you to have solutions ;)
  355. MattJ and once encoded, never being able to iterate on them and innovate
  356. Flow I do wonder if Session 2.0 and Bind2/SASL2 are two distinct steps into the right direction
  357. Flow (but maybe I should read the slides to the end)
  358. Ge0rG Flow: I'm pretty sure that CSI and push have the same underlying principles
  359. Flow Maybe, maybe not
  360. Flow Hrm, Message Routing 2.0 sounds a lot like XMPP 2.0
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  362. Ge0rG Flow: we decided to rename XMPP 2 into MR 2 to show it's not a complete reinvention of everything
  363. Flow Probably a good idea
  364. Ge0rG dwd: "everything should work one way or another eventually." is something I'd rather like to avoid, because then we'll end up with even more hairy corner cases.
  365. Flow Ge0rG: What happens in MR 2.0 with messages send to a full JID which is unavailable?
  366. Flow And is MR 2.0 also signled on s2s links?
  367. Flow *signaled
  368. Ge0rG Flow: MR2 should be also signalled on s2s, yeah. And messages are errored back
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  370. Ge0rG s2s MR2 will just follow the same semantics, and convert to MR1 clients
  371. dwd Ge0rG, CSI explicitly is not allowed to change the semantics of the stream, only introduce delay.
  372. Ge0rG dwd: I'm not sure what you are talking of
  373. Flow dwd: BTW I've published a new version of compare-and-publish and send a mail to standards@, not sure if you saw it yet. As always, your feedback is appreciated.
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  377. Ge0rG MattJ: I'm okay with the rules being worded as MAY everywhere, as long as they are comprehensive according to current state of the art, and not the mess we have in 0280 now
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  379. Flow I don't think the CSI and Carbons situation is comparable
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  381. Ge0rG Flow: I'm talking about bad wording.
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  383. Ge0rG Flow: and yeah, session2 and bind2 are distinct steps
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