zinidinstead of providing a simple pseudo-code there are 40 pages of stupid definitions
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fippofeel free to submit a draft doing so.
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edhelaslskdjf no, please no, it's like saying that you don't need proper validation in HTML/JS because the database can handle that
edhelasSamWhited that would be nice yes :)
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jonaswpep., XEP-0392 offers a way to adapt the colors to a given background.
jonaswor overall theme tint
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SyndaceIs "Remko" here, the dude that wrote a mail about OMEMO key agreement recently?
jonaswSyndace, sometimes
jonaswyesterday or on saturday he was
jonaswwhy are you asking?
SyndaceI read a lot about OMEMO recently and I want to discuss his question a little while not spamming the mailing list with probably unqualified comments :D
Syndaceis his nick in here remko aswell?
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jonaswSyndace, there’s always the option of replying only to him
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pep.jonasw: re color generation, nice
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Syndacejonasw, I decided to risk it and answered the list ^^
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FlowSyndace, good question you posted :)
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SamWhitededhelas: the little tool I use isn't actually on this machine, but here's a quick one that just checks if the first argument is a valid JID: https://gist.github.com/SamWhited/faaa24d72e06903122152a5a17984fe7
SamWhitedNote that by default that will be using the newer version of PRECIS from RFC 8264 and Unicode 10, but there shouldn't be any major differences.
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pep.https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bmh.html Is that Flow? What happens if a client doesn't announce any supported markup? will the other client send non-formatted plaintext? Or the same but untagged?
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jonaswMattJ, lovetox is having issues joining the channel, possibly the stalled s2s bug. he’s in jdev. Care to debug?
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Flowpep.,: what do you think would be best?
pep.Is there a need for the XEP?
Flowpep I obviously think so, as otherwhise I wouldn't have go through the effort writting it
pep.Well the example I showed above kind of defeats the point
Flowpep., your question?
pep.yes
Flowpep., I don't see how it defates the point
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pep.The markup is going to make it _as is_ to the other side in any case
ZashWith MAM, carbons and whatever, you have no way of knowing if all the clients that receive it supports it.
FlowOk, so maybe it's time to provide some motivation for BMH
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FlowI was going to wait until the offical editor annoucement, but it looks like people get into the wrong direction about what it's about
ZashIt would let those who understand it know for sure that it is what the sender intended.
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FlowZash, that!
pep.And why not xhtml-im?
pep.You're assuming it's already out, right?
FlowSo BMH does not try to be a successor of XHTML-IM
FlowIt's not even meant as intermediate solution
FlowThe case for BMH is bridges which take Markup formated text, and send it via XMPP to an XMPP client
FlowFor example a Stackoverflow bot, which sends you an question and a answer
FlowOr a discourse interface
ZashThing could in theory have serverside translation into XHTML-IM or XEP-future-markup-thing
FlowOr a Bot which sends you status information with headings and sections and stuff
pep.well the gateway/bridge would know markups the other side sends, and could translate it into XHTML-IM
pep.I'm not sure more is needed
FlowIf you client doesn't know the markup language, fine, it will still display the text more or less nicely
FlowIf it does understand the markup hinted markup language, it can throw it into a converter and show it in a richful way
ZashSo it's equivalent to the Content-Type header in email
Flowpep., Not every client supports XHTML-IM
ZashWhich is fine.
pep.Flow, the more reasons to implement it
pep.Not every client supports $MARKUP
ZashFlow: pep.s point of the discovery section being fairly pointless stands tho
ZashOTOH it is mandatory in XEPs
FlowZash, yep, the discovery was just a goodie I wanted to take along
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pep.I'm still not sure I see the point. This can be totally covered with xhtml-im
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pep.Flow, please do add some more details on the XEP so we can comment on it before it's accepted
pep.:)
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Flowpep: I've responded on the editor announcement
FlowAlso the latest snapshot of the xep may contains more backstory: http://geekplace.eu/xeps/xep-bmh/xep-bmh.html
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FlowMeh, a 2 week last call for so important cornerstones like MAM feels a little bit to short
pep.thanks
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pep.I'd like to make motivation the first requirement of a protoXEP :x
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ZashIsn't that usually supposed to be covered in the first section?
pep.Well apparently not enough
ZashLike, a problem statement or somesuch
pep."Why is this needed", "Are there existing XEPs trying to solve the same issue or similar/related ones", "How does that compare to these XEPs", etc.
Flowplease direct blame to the lazy me :)
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pep.Flow, I can see a point for your XEP here, just that it doesn't really come at a good time, with the latest events around XHTML-IM and people trying to kill it
pep.Also I fear people are going to abuse it
pep.And give up on xhtml-im for this
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ZashWas there an easy way to get schemas out of XEPs?
waqasZash: Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V.
waqasZash: You can probably use one of the xpath CLI tools to grab this: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/blob/master/xep-0016.xml#L856
waqasNo idea if this stuff is consistent across XEPs
ZashIn this specific instance I'm interested in getting schemas out of XEP60
ZashAnd I seem to have repressed^W forgotten how XPath works
waqasOh, it uses <xs:import /> to reference an external 'http://xmpp.org/schemas/x-data.xsd' too
ZashHm, I have this strange memory of fighting xpath or xml search tools in order to get them to spit out bare text, and giving up beacuse it's impossible.
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ZashWhy is {pubsub#errors}unsupported a MUST?
ZashWhy does the implementation need to know all the things it doesn't do?