instead of providing a simple pseudo-code there are 40 pages of stupid definitions
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fippo
feel free to submit a draft doing so.
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lskdjf no, please no, it's like saying that you don't need proper validation in HTML/JS because the database can handle that
edhelas
SamWhited that would be nice yes :)
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pep., XEP-0392 offers a way to adapt the colors to a given background.
jonasw
or overall theme tint
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Is "Remko" here, the dude that wrote a mail about OMEMO key agreement recently?
jonasw
Syndace, sometimes
jonasw
yesterday or on saturday he was
jonasw
why are you asking?
Syndace
I read a lot about OMEMO recently and I want to discuss his question a little while not spamming the mailing list with probably unqualified comments :D
Syndace
is his nick in here remko aswell?
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yupp
jonasw
Syndace, there’s always the option of replying only to him
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pep.
jonasw: re color generation, nice
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jonasw, I decided to risk it and answered the list ^^
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Syndace, good question you posted :)
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edhelas: the little tool I use isn't actually on this machine, but here's a quick one that just checks if the first argument is a valid JID: https://gist.github.com/SamWhited/faaa24d72e06903122152a5a17984fe7
SamWhited
Note that by default that will be using the newer version of PRECIS from RFC 8264 and Unicode 10, but there shouldn't be any major differences.
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pep.
https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bmh.html Is that Flow? What happens if a client doesn't announce any supported markup? will the other client send non-formatted plaintext? Or the same but untagged?
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jonasw
MattJ, lovetox is having issues joining the channel, possibly the stalled s2s bug. he’s in jdev. Care to debug?
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Flow
pep.,: what do you think would be best?
pep.
Is there a need for the XEP?
Flow
pep I obviously think so, as otherwhise I wouldn't have go through the effort writting it
pep.
Well the example I showed above kind of defeats the point
Flow
pep., your question?
pep.
yes
Flow
pep., I don't see how it defates the point
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The markup is going to make it _as is_ to the other side in any case
Zash
With MAM, carbons and whatever, you have no way of knowing if all the clients that receive it supports it.
Flow
Ok, so maybe it's time to provide some motivation for BMH
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I was going to wait until the offical editor annoucement, but it looks like people get into the wrong direction about what it's about
Zash
It would let those who understand it know for sure that it is what the sender intended.
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Zash, that!
pep.
And why not xhtml-im?
pep.
You're assuming it's already out, right?
Flow
So BMH does not try to be a successor of XHTML-IM
Flow
It's not even meant as intermediate solution
Flow
The case for BMH is bridges which take Markup formated text, and send it via XMPP to an XMPP client
Flow
For example a Stackoverflow bot, which sends you an question and a answer
Flow
Or a discourse interface
Zash
Thing could in theory have serverside translation into XHTML-IM or XEP-future-markup-thing
Flow
Or a Bot which sends you status information with headings and sections and stuff
pep.
well the gateway/bridge would know markups the other side sends, and could translate it into XHTML-IM
pep.
I'm not sure more is needed
Flow
If you client doesn't know the markup language, fine, it will still display the text more or less nicely
Flow
If it does understand the markup hinted markup language, it can throw it into a converter and show it in a richful way
Zash
So it's equivalent to the Content-Type header in email
Flow
pep., Not every client supports XHTML-IM
Zash
Which is fine.
pep.
Flow, the more reasons to implement it
pep.
Not every client supports $MARKUP
Zash
Flow: pep.s point of the discovery section being fairly pointless stands tho
Zash
OTOH it is mandatory in XEPs
Flow
Zash, yep, the discovery was just a goodie I wanted to take along
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pep.
I'm still not sure I see the point. This can be totally covered with xhtml-im
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pep.
Flow, please do add some more details on the XEP so we can comment on it before it's accepted
pep.
:)
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pep: I've responded on the editor announcement
Flow
Also the latest snapshot of the xep may contains more backstory: http://geekplace.eu/xeps/xep-bmh/xep-bmh.html
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Meh, a 2 week last call for so important cornerstones like MAM feels a little bit to short
pep.
thanks
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pep.
I'd like to make motivation the first requirement of a protoXEP :x
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Isn't that usually supposed to be covered in the first section?
pep.
Well apparently not enough
Zash
Like, a problem statement or somesuch
pep.
"Why is this needed", "Are there existing XEPs trying to solve the same issue or similar/related ones", "How does that compare to these XEPs", etc.
Flow
please direct blame to the lazy me :)
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pep.
Flow, I can see a point for your XEP here, just that it doesn't really come at a good time, with the latest events around XHTML-IM and people trying to kill it
pep.
Also I fear people are going to abuse it
pep.
And give up on xhtml-im for this
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Zash
Was there an easy way to get schemas out of XEPs?
waqas
Zash: Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V.
waqas
Zash: You can probably use one of the xpath CLI tools to grab this: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/blob/master/xep-0016.xml#L856
waqas
No idea if this stuff is consistent across XEPs
Zash
In this specific instance I'm interested in getting schemas out of XEP60
Zash
And I seem to have repressed^W forgotten how XPath works
Oh, it uses <xs:import /> to reference an external 'http://xmpp.org/schemas/x-data.xsd' too
Zash
Hm, I have this strange memory of fighting xpath or xml search tools in order to get them to spit out bare text, and giving up beacuse it's impossible.
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Zash
Why is {pubsub#errors}unsupported a MUST?
Zash
Why does the implementation need to know all the things it doesn't do?