XSF Discussion - 2017-11-01

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  112. jonasw

    dwd, FYI, your contact info should be fixed

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  124. dwd

    jonasw, Thanks!

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  322. Holger

    Kev: The <unread/> thing in bind2 won't work for MUC right? The idea is to wait for MIX?

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  326. Holger

    Or won't it work with MIX MAM either?

  327. Kev

    Open question how best to sort out that interaction.

  328. Kev

    But it's certainly my intention to make it work.

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  339. Holger

    I see.

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  344. Martin

    Let me guess…although the UK's clocks have changed back to GMT, there's something different in the US/Europe and I'm an hour early for the Board meeting?

  345. Guus

    oh, that's entirely possible

  346. Guus

    I was waiting for the board meeting to happen as well

  347. jonasw

    in US they switch on the 5th

  348. Martin


  349. Guus

    but then again ... Arc is the only one that's still in DST I think?

  350. jonasw

    and people laugh when I say everything shall be scheduled in UTC!!k

  351. Guus

    let us check our handy calendar

  352. Guus

    ah, the board meeting was an hour ago :)

  353. jonasw


  354. Martin

    Doesn't look like much happened an hour ago, though, ironically, that's a much better time for me!

  355. Guus

    Yeah, so basically, only Arc is late, and the rest of the board neglected to account for the DST change? :D

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  358. Guus

    a recurring theme.

  359. moparisthebest

    recurring exactly 2 times a year :)

  360. Guus


  361. Guus

    EU-to-DST, US-to-DST, EU-from-DST, US-from-DST

  362. Zash

    Did anyone ever successfully schedule a meeting across timezones during DST switchover?

  363. Guus

    people in Iceland?

  364. Guus

    (which is always at UTC, doesn't do DST afaik)

  365. moparisthebest

    timezones/DST etc is awful now, imagine when people live on mars and converting time for that :/

  366. SamWhited

    I need to move to Iceland.

  367. moparisthebest

    there's a private info 3-people-use-the-same-server leak :)

  368. Ge0rG

    SamWhited: awesome idea to rename compliance suite to 2018! I'd comment on list but my infrastructure had a power failure and I can't yet send mail.

  369. SamWhited

    Ge0rG: Thanks, I was planning on trying to push new ones through really quick but I just realized that we're so close anyways I might as well just rename the current ones since the recommendations aren't likely to change.

  370. jonasw

    SamWhited, +1

  371. SamWhited

    Also, every time people ask me "why don't you run your own email?" I'm going to start quoting Ge0rG :)

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  374. Ge0rG

    SamWhited: hey, I have a fallback server, but it's too cumbersome to set it up on my mobile. And the power failure happened while I was on holiday 300km away. It also ruined most of the fridge content, so the MTA doesn't have priority

  375. SamWhited

    Ge0rG: You are giving me further material to quote when people ask

  376. Ge0rG

    SamWhited: okay, I shut up now.

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  378. SamWhited

    heh, but yah, this is why I don't host my own email.

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  380. moparisthebest

    like 'cloud' doesn't go down too?

  381. Ge0rG

    I'm also a paranoid freak running it on real physical hardware in a place with limited access to third parties.

  382. moparisthebest

    I recall not too long ago half the web being broken because an amazon engineer fat fingered a command, while my services worked fine :)

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  384. Ge0rG

    moparisthebest: "cloud" is just other people's computers...

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  386. moparisthebest


  387. SamWhited

    No one ever said it never went down, but most cloud providers have SLAs that have to be met. I never had gmail go down in many years of using them, and so far haven't had FastMail go down (though I'm told they have slightly fewer 9's of uptime)

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  390. moparisthebest

    Ge0rG has an SLA too, he gets it back up as soon as he wants to :)

  391. Link Mauve

    In some ten years I’ve hosted my emails, I haven’t had a single time I couldn’t use it.

  392. Zash

    Email at least retries, so there's not that much of an hurry

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  395. Link Mauve

    But if I was on another network while that happened and I absolutely needed to send an email right now, I could just ssh into my secondary and send it from there.

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  397. Ge0rG

    I could send it as well, in theory. I just prefer to do more useful things right now than working around the failure.

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  401. Ge0rG

    SamWhited: typical cloud SLAs are worthless. They guarantee something like 99.5% availability per month, but the only thing you get if they stay down longer is a fraction of your service fee. That doesn't work for businesses and they don't go down for so long often anyway

  402. SamWhited

    They still try to hit them, and I would be willing to bet money FastMail goes down less than what would happen if I hosted myself

  403. Ge0rG

    SamWhited: probably so, because most redundancy and recovery mechanisms profit from scale

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  406. dwd

    I don't have the original messages for the Last Calls for 286, 313, 387, or 352 in my mailbox. I don't (knowingly) filter or delete mail. I'll investigate futher, but I wonder if that might explain the paucity of comments?

  407. Link Mauve

    Maybe the DKIM?

  408. Link Mauve

    I don’t validate that.

  409. moparisthebest

    hmm yes jonasw 's DKIM failed

  410. moparisthebest

    dkim=fail reason="key not found in DNS" (0-bit key) header.d=wielicki.name header.i=@wielicki.name header.b=auTm/D1f

  411. SamWhited

    Not that you mention it, I think I'm missing some of the originals too (assuming the extension emails were all sent in response to the originals, it only threaded properly on some of them)

  412. SamWhited

    and by "some of them" I mean "MAM"

  413. moparisthebest

    including failing DKIM sigs will cause it to get spammed most places

  414. moparisthebest


  415. dwd

    Right... So quite possibly people have spam-trapped them. Might be worth resending (from XSF Editor address, perhaps)?

  416. Ge0rG

    And this is why I run my own email infrastructure

  417. SamWhited

    I never could figure out how to send from the xsf editor address; is that possible?

  418. SamWhited

    This is why I don't run my own email infrastructure…

  419. SamWhited


  420. dwd

    SamWhited, I run my own email infrastructure, I just don't use it.

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  429. Zash

    This is why I don't do DKIM

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  431. bjc

    google doesn't flag your mail as spam?

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  433. bjc

    they were the only reason i set it up, but when you house half of the world's email...

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  436. Zash

    I don't remember DKIM becoming mandatory

  437. Zash

    Surely they'll flag my email as spam regardless

  438. Ge0rG

    Me neither. I have SPF and TLS and Google is happy

  439. moparisthebest

    oh also if you don't have DKIM it's more likely to be spam

  440. moparisthebest

    DKIM is one of those de-facto mandatory things email has

  441. moparisthebest

    I think it's mandatory to have matching RDNS, then DKIM+SPF+DMARC if you want good delivery

  442. Link Mauve

    Never set that up, never got my email flagged as spam AFAIK.

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  444. Link Mauve

    Neither DMARC.

  445. moparisthebest

    DMARC might not be, it's just a way to get feedback

  446. Zash

    I don't have matching RDNS.

  447. Zash

    Or, what does that even mean?

  448. moparisthebest

    I don't expect you can send any mail at all without matching reverse DNS

  449. moparisthebest

    most mail servers reject your connection right away

  450. Zash

    There's RDNS, but it points to a series of CNAMEs that point back to my IP, and I'm having no problems.

  451. moparisthebest

    not really sure but I'd think as long as it points back to your IP it'd be fine

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