Kev: The <unread/> thing in bind2 won't work for MUC right? The idea is to wait for MIX?
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Holger
Or won't it work with MIX MAM either?
Kev
Open question how best to sort out that interaction.
Kev
But it's certainly my intention to make it work.
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Holger
I see.
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Martin
Let me guess…although the UK's clocks have changed back to GMT, there's something different in the US/Europe and I'm an hour early for the Board meeting?
Guus
oh, that's entirely possible
Guus
I was waiting for the board meeting to happen as well
jonasw
in US they switch on the 5th
Martin
D'oh
Guus
but then again ... Arc is the only one that's still in DST I think?
jonasw
and people laugh when I say everything shall be scheduled in UTC!!k
Guus
let us check our handy calendar
Guus
ah, the board meeting was an hour ago :)
jonasw
lovely
Martin
Doesn't look like much happened an hour ago, though, ironically, that's a much better time for me!
Guus
Yeah, so basically, only Arc is late, and the rest of the board neglected to account for the DST change? :D
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peter
timezones!!
Guus
a recurring theme.
moparisthebest
recurring exactly 2 times a year :)
Guus
4
Guus
EU-to-DST, US-to-DST, EU-from-DST, US-from-DST
Zash
Did anyone ever successfully schedule a meeting across timezones during DST switchover?
Guus
people in Iceland?
Guus
(which is always at UTC, doesn't do DST afaik)
moparisthebest
timezones/DST etc is awful now, imagine when people live on mars and converting time for that :/
SamWhited
I need to move to Iceland.
moparisthebest
there's a private info 3-people-use-the-same-server leak :)
Ge0rG
SamWhited: awesome idea to rename compliance suite to 2018! I'd comment on list but my infrastructure had a power failure and I can't yet send mail.
SamWhited
Ge0rG: Thanks, I was planning on trying to push new ones through really quick but I just realized that we're so close anyways I might as well just rename the current ones since the recommendations aren't likely to change.
jonasw
SamWhited, +1
SamWhited
Also, every time people ask me "why don't you run your own email?" I'm going to start quoting Ge0rG :)
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Ge0rG
SamWhited: hey, I have a fallback server, but it's too cumbersome to set it up on my mobile. And the power failure happened while I was on holiday 300km away. It also ruined most of the fridge content, so the MTA doesn't have priority
SamWhited
Ge0rG: You are giving me further material to quote when people ask
Ge0rG
SamWhited: okay, I shut up now.
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SamWhited
heh, but yah, this is why I don't host my own email.
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moparisthebest
like 'cloud' doesn't go down too?
Ge0rG
I'm also a paranoid freak running it on real physical hardware in a place with limited access to third parties.
moparisthebest
I recall not too long ago half the web being broken because an amazon engineer fat fingered a command, while my services worked fine :)
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Ge0rG
moparisthebest: "cloud" is just other people's computers...
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moparisthebest
exactly
SamWhited
No one ever said it never went down, but most cloud providers have SLAs that have to be met. I never had gmail go down in many years of using them, and so far haven't had FastMail go down (though I'm told they have slightly fewer 9's of uptime)
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moparisthebest
Ge0rG has an SLA too, he gets it back up as soon as he wants to :)
Link Mauve
In some ten years I’ve hosted my emails, I haven’t had a single time I couldn’t use it.
Zash
Email at least retries, so there's not that much of an hurry
Link Mauve
Yeah.
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Link Mauve
But if I was on another network while that happened and I absolutely needed to send an email right now, I could just ssh into my secondary and send it from there.
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Ge0rG
I could send it as well, in theory. I just prefer to do more useful things right now than working around the failure.
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Ge0rG
SamWhited: typical cloud SLAs are worthless. They guarantee something like 99.5% availability per month, but the only thing you get if they stay down longer is a fraction of your service fee. That doesn't work for businesses and they don't go down for so long often anyway
SamWhited
They still try to hit them, and I would be willing to bet money FastMail goes down less than what would happen if I hosted myself
Ge0rG
SamWhited: probably so, because most redundancy and recovery mechanisms profit from scale
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dwd
I don't have the original messages for the Last Calls for 286, 313, 387, or 352 in my mailbox. I don't (knowingly) filter or delete mail. I'll investigate futher, but I wonder if that might explain the paucity of comments?
Link Mauve
Maybe the DKIM?
Link Mauve
I don’t validate that.
moparisthebest
hmm yes jonasw 's DKIM failed
moparisthebest
dkim=fail reason="key not found in DNS" (0-bit key) header.d=wielicki.name header.i=@wielicki.name header.b=auTm/D1f
SamWhited
Not that you mention it, I think I'm missing some of the originals too (assuming the extension emails were all sent in response to the originals, it only threaded properly on some of them)
SamWhited
and by "some of them" I mean "MAM"
moparisthebest
including failing DKIM sigs will cause it to get spammed most places
moparisthebest
rightly
dwd
Right... So quite possibly people have spam-trapped them. Might be worth resending (from XSF Editor address, perhaps)?
Ge0rG
And this is why I run my own email infrastructure
SamWhited
I never could figure out how to send from the xsf editor address; is that possible?
SamWhited
This is why I don't run my own email infrastructure…
SamWhited
(again)
dwd
SamWhited, I run my own email infrastructure, I just don't use it.
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Zash
This is why I don't do DKIM
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bjc
google doesn't flag your mail as spam?
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bjc
they were the only reason i set it up, but when you house half of the world's email...
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Zash
I don't remember DKIM becoming mandatory
Zash
Surely they'll flag my email as spam regardless
Ge0rG
Me neither. I have SPF and TLS and Google is happy
moparisthebest
oh also if you don't have DKIM it's more likely to be spam
moparisthebest
DKIM is one of those de-facto mandatory things email has
moparisthebest
I think it's mandatory to have matching RDNS, then DKIM+SPF+DMARC if you want good delivery
Link Mauve
Never set that up, never got my email flagged as spam AFAIK.
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Link Mauve
Neither DMARC.
moparisthebest
DMARC might not be, it's just a way to get feedback
Zash
I don't have matching RDNS.
Zash
Or, what does that even mean?
moparisthebest
I don't expect you can send any mail at all without matching reverse DNS
moparisthebest
most mail servers reject your connection right away
Zash
There's RDNS, but it points to a series of CNAMEs that point back to my IP, and I'm having no problems.
moparisthebest
not really sure but I'd think as long as it points back to your IP it'd be fine