XSF Discussion - 2017-11-05

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08:57:17 daniel What process do I have to go through to get an account on the wiki?
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09:00:19 Kev Find an admin, give them a mail address and ask nicely.
09:00:28 Kev (I can do it Right Now)
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09:02:36 Kev But only if you give me a mail address :)
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09:07:29 Kev Or not. AFK.
09:07:55 jonasw but Ge0rG can do it too, daniel.
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09:18:09 Ge0rG True
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09:32:29 Ge0rG jonasw: re MIX, the section in https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0369.html#usecase-server-presence-update is pretty clear
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09:33:22 jonasw I think they could just send a refresh request whenever a user joins, too.
09:33:54 Ge0rG jonasw: this is about after-the-join
09:34:10 jonasw it doesn’t need that information, except for joins, does it?
09:34:45 jonasw okay, wait, do you mean "join" like "joining a channel for the first time" or "join" like "a reconnecting client activiating MIX support"?
09:34:46 Ge0rG "In normal operation a MIX participant's server will hold accurate presence status for the channel which it provides to clients when they are activated." - so my server will receive and cache (in RAM?) presence from all participants of all MIXes that all the abandoned user accounts on my server ever joined.
09:34:49 jonasw because I meant the latter, sorry for being unclear
09:34:56 jonasw it doesn’t have to.
09:35:11 Ge0rG but that's what the XEP says.
09:35:17 jonasw there’s no MUST in there
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09:35:21 jonasw or even SHOULD
09:35:25 jonasw I see this as suggestion
09:35:36 jonasw (can be useful to reduce the delay when activating clients)
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09:37:21 Kev I'm not sure this is right.
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09:46:26 Ge0rG Kev: "this"?
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10:05:50 Ge0rG So can somebody elaborate please?
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11:56:49 Ge0rG 😐
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13:42:57 zinid Server tracking presences from whole world, what a great idea
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13:59:43 Ge0rG Maybe my reading of the xep is wrong?
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14:02:37 Kev Sorry Ge0rG; I'm busy here. No, I mean that the subscriber's server shouldn't be needing to cache the presence of all occupants, so we need to look at taht.
14:05:01 Ge0rG Kev: thanks. I'll write another large pile of feedback soon, not yet sure whether to the list or just to Steve
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14:08:30 jonasw Ge0rG, to the list if it’s not editorial, please
14:09:17 Ge0rG jonasw: 👍
14:12:21 Ge0rG So I've finally read and understood the relevant parts of 313
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14:21:09 Flow Ge0rG, looking forward to your feedback on MAM
14:23:16 Ge0rG Flow: pretty well written, except for my pet peeve on what exactly to archive
14:32:14 Alex Reminder: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2017
14:33:49 Flow Ge0rG, are you asking for precise rules on what to archive? Do we need that (now)?
14:36:27 Ge0rG Flow: yes I am. I think we need them as part of message routing 2.0, which can be done after advancing 313
14:36:59 Flow I'm not sure why those rules are important, besides optimizing the archives size
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14:41:33 Ge0rG Consistency of what will be seen by your client
14:41:38 jonasw *clients
14:42:32 Ge0rG Try to debug a user's "messages are lost sometimes" issue and you will understand
14:44:18 jonasw Flow, the archive rules are inconsistent with the carbon rules, which leads to interesting differences between what’s seen by devices depending on the time ranges in which they’re online
14:44:34 Ge0rG I'd like to see error responses to archived messages in the archive as well, so I can see on my other/ reconnected client that a message was bounced
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14:45:49 Ge0rG You need to ask the user half a dozen questions about their exact deployment before even guessing the possible cause...
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15:03:59 Flow got ir
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18:48:17 Guus We're short on xsf board candidates for next yeat! No one else interested? Know anyone that might be interested?
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18:49:02 Guus Only a few more hours until the application deadline expires.
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20:09:47 moparisthebest Memberbot will have to be modified to accept write in candidates then we'll have to conscript someone
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21:35:37 MattJ Anyone free to last-minute recreate my wiki account? (MattJ - mwild1@gmail.com)
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21:43:38 Kev Done.
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21:48:24 Link Mauve For anyone who thought I would procrastinate too much, I made it!
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21:49:26 Zash Successful procrastination?
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21:58:16 Link Mauve I’d say more successful fight against it. ^^
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22:29:27 Ge0rG Wow, we've got more candidates for council than slots. This will be an interesting time
22:30:22 moparisthebest Aw no conscription...
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22:40:17 Ge0rG Do we need to run an electron rally now? 😀
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23:33:49 Holger I'd also appreciate a new wiki account (I guess that got lost during the crash?) ... holger - holger@zedat.fu-berlin.de
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