danielWhat process do I have to go through to get an account on the wiki?
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KevFind an admin, give them a mail address and ask nicely.
Kev(I can do it Right Now)
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KevBut only if you give me a mail address :)
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KevOr not. AFK.
jonaswbut Ge0rG can do it too, daniel.
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Ge0rGTrue
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Ge0rGjonasw: re MIX, the section in https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0369.html#usecase-server-presence-update is pretty clear
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jonaswI think they could just send a refresh request whenever a user joins, too.
Ge0rGjonasw: this is about after-the-join
jonaswit doesn’t need that information, except for joins, does it?
jonaswokay, wait, do you mean "join" like "joining a channel for the first time" or "join" like "a reconnecting client activiating MIX support"?
Ge0rG"In normal operation a MIX participant's server will hold accurate presence status for the channel which it provides to clients when they are activated." - so my server will receive and cache (in RAM?) presence from all participants of all MIXes that all the abandoned user accounts on my server ever joined.
jonaswbecause I meant the latter, sorry for being unclear
jonaswit doesn’t have to.
Ge0rGbut that's what the XEP says.
jonaswthere’s no MUST in there
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jonaswor even SHOULD
jonaswI see this as suggestion
jonasw(can be useful to reduce the delay when activating clients)
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KevI'm not sure this is right.
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Ge0rGKev: "this"?
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Ge0rGSo can somebody elaborate please?
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Ge0rG😐
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zinidServer tracking presences from whole world, what a great idea
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Ge0rGMaybe my reading of the xep is wrong?
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KevSorry Ge0rG; I'm busy here. No, I mean that the subscriber's server shouldn't be needing to cache the presence of all occupants, so we need to look at taht.
Ge0rGKev: thanks. I'll write another large pile of feedback soon, not yet sure whether to the list or just to Steve
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jonaswGe0rG, to the list if it’s not editorial, please
Ge0rGjonasw: 👍
Ge0rGSo I've finally read and understood the relevant parts of 313
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FlowGe0rG, looking forward to your feedback on MAM
Ge0rGFlow: pretty well written, except for my pet peeve on what exactly to archive
FlowGe0rG, are you asking for precise rules on what to archive? Do we need that (now)?
Ge0rGFlow: yes I am. I think we need them as part of message routing 2.0, which can be done after advancing 313
FlowI'm not sure why those rules are important, besides optimizing the archives size
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Ge0rGConsistency of what will be seen by your client
jonasw*clients
Ge0rGTry to debug a user's "messages are lost sometimes" issue and you will understand
jonaswFlow, the archive rules are inconsistent with the carbon rules, which leads to interesting differences between what’s seen by devices depending on the time ranges in which they’re online
Ge0rGI'd like to see error responses to archived messages in the archive as well, so I can see on my other/ reconnected client that a message was bounced
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Ge0rGYou need to ask the user half a dozen questions about their exact deployment before even guessing the possible cause...
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Flowgot ir
Flow*it
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GuusWe're short on xsf board candidates for next yeat! No one else interested? Know anyone that might be interested?
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GuusOnly a few more hours until the application deadline expires.
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moparisthebestMemberbot will have to be modified to accept write in candidates then we'll have to conscript someone
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MattJAnyone free to last-minute recreate my wiki account? (MattJ - mwild1@gmail.com)
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KevDone.
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Link MauveFor anyone who thought I would procrastinate too much, I made it!
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ZashSuccessful procrastination?
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Link MauveI’d say more successful fight against it. ^^
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Ge0rGWow, we've got more candidates for council than slots. This will be an interesting time
moparisthebestAw no conscription...
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Ge0rGDo we need to run an electron rally now? 😀
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HolgerI'd also appreciate a new wiki account (I guess that got lost during the crash?) ... holger - holger@zedat.fu-berlin.de