XSF Discussion - 2017-11-05

What process do I have to go through to get an account on the wiki?

Find an admin, give them a mail address and ask nicely.

(I can do it Right Now)

But only if you give me a mail address :)

Or not. AFK.

but Ge0rG can do it too, daniel.

True

jonasw: re MIX, the section in https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0369.html#usecase-server-presence-update is pretty clear

I think they could just send a refresh request whenever a user joins, too.

jonasw: this is about after-the-join

it doesn’t need that information, except for joins, does it?

okay, wait, do you mean "join" like "joining a channel for the first time" or "join" like "a reconnecting client activiating MIX support"?

"In normal operation a MIX participant's server will hold accurate presence status for the channel which it provides to clients when they are activated." - so my server will receive and cache (in RAM?) presence from all participants of all MIXes that all the abandoned user accounts on my server ever joined.

because I meant the latter, sorry for being unclear

it doesn’t have to.

but that's what the XEP says.

there’s no MUST in there

or even SHOULD

I see this as suggestion

(can be useful to reduce the delay when activating clients)

I'm not sure this is right.

Kev: "this"?

So can somebody elaborate please?

😐

Server tracking presences from whole world, what a great idea

Maybe my reading of the xep is wrong?

Sorry Ge0rG; I'm busy here. No, I mean that the subscriber's server shouldn't be needing to cache the presence of all occupants, so we need to look at taht.

Kev: thanks. I'll write another large pile of feedback soon, not yet sure whether to the list or just to Steve

Ge0rG, to the list if it’s not editorial, please

jonasw: 👍

So I've finally read and understood the relevant parts of 313

Ge0rG, looking forward to your feedback on MAM

Flow: pretty well written, except for my pet peeve on what exactly to archive

Reminder: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2017

Ge0rG, are you asking for precise rules on what to archive? Do we need that (now)?

Flow: yes I am. I think we need them as part of message routing 2.0, which can be done after advancing 313

I'm not sure why those rules are important, besides optimizing the archives size

Consistency of what will be seen by your client

*clients

Try to debug a user's "messages are lost sometimes" issue and you will understand

Flow, the archive rules are inconsistent with the carbon rules, which leads to interesting differences between what’s seen by devices depending on the time ranges in which they’re online

I'd like to see error responses to archived messages in the archive as well, so I can see on my other/ reconnected client that a message was bounced

You need to ask the user half a dozen questions about their exact deployment before even guessing the possible cause...

got ir

*it

We're short on xsf board candidates for next yeat! No one else interested? Know anyone that might be interested?

Only a few more hours until the application deadline expires.

Memberbot will have to be modified to accept write in candidates then we'll have to conscript someone

Anyone free to last-minute recreate my wiki account? (MattJ - mwild1@gmail.com)

Done.

For anyone who thought I would procrastinate too much, I made it!

Successful procrastination?

I’d say more successful fight against it. ^^

Wow, we've got more candidates for council than slots. This will be an interesting time

Aw no conscription...

Do we need to run an electron rally now? 😀

I'd also appreciate a new wiki account (I guess that got lost during the crash?) ... holger - holger@zedat.fu-berlin.de