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Ge0rG said "Zash: Maybe. But maybe an "active" was just because you were switching tabs..." I do agree with that, that doesn't mean that you read the message or anything.
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https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Maxime_Buquet_Application_2017 tada.
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just in time
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:-°
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my business was already closed for the day!
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> Did I mention my love to race conditions already? If yaxim receives a MUC message from my own nickname, it marks the MUC as read and removes pending notifications. Now this also happens if this is a message I sent from this yaxim instance, and it clears notifications that happened between me sending the message and receiving the reflection.
Did you find a way to fix this Ge0rG?
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daniel: I could try to detect messages sent by this instance, using the message-ID or body-content heuristic, and then ignore this "outgoing" message for the sake of marking as read
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SamWhited
Someone at work just started sharing this around and I hadn't seen it before; looks interesting though: http://archipelproject.org/
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Looks dead tho
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yah, been a while since it was updated
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SamWhited: wait, who wrote this?
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SamWhited
No idea
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Arc
there's a team list on their github, i recognize none of the names
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Arc
this looks pretty awesome actually.
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Arc
im eagerly waiting for the election results, mostly to see if I'm finally free :-P
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SamWhited: dead or not, its AGPLv3 and looks ripe for someone to take it on
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I was suprised that I didn't recognize any of the names
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SouL
The same happened to me while ago when I discovered the project. A bit like a rollercoaster regarding my feelings, from "woah looks great, XMPP!" to "oh... It seems a bit dead..."
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mathieui
maybe it just works™
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maybe it was perfect, so nobody had any reason to get involved
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maybe it was so broken, everyone who even looked at it got burnt out instantly
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SamWhited: how was this found by your coworker?
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Guus: No idea
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Alex
he guys, everybody ready for our annual meeting?
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Arc
yup
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Guus
what was he searching for? Why did he share this around? XMPP aficionado?
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SamWhited
No, we use HipChat so he wondered if we could plug it up to that
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Arc
they have a CLA, so unlikely to get a lot of 3rd party help
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Arc
unless you do a real fork
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Guus
Alex, don't let us keep you
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Arc
SamWhited: did you remind your coworker that hipchat doesnt federate?
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Alex
bangs the gavel
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Alex
here is our Agenda for today
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Alex
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meeting-Minutes-2017-11-21
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2) Call for Quorum
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Alex
as you can see 44 members already voted via memberbot, so we have a quorum for this election
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3) Items Subject to a Vote
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Alex
board and council elections, you can find all applicants here:
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2017
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4) Opportunity for XSF members to Vote in the Meeting
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jonasw
(oh I totally forgot about this despite it being in my calendar)
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jonasw
hi Alex, thanks for doing this :)
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Alex
anybody here who has not voted yet, and wants to do so in this meeting?
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if not, I will shutdown memberbot and start counting
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okay, looks like everybody voted
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so let me shutdown the bot and work on teh results
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starts counting
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still counting...
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5) Announcement of Voting Results
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Zash
*drumroll*
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when you reload the page you can see the results:
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Alex
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meeting-Minutes-2017-11-21#Announcement_of_Voting_Results
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Arc
oh shit, we have a tie
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Alex
oh ya, we have
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jonasw
Alex, could you sort the tables? (I don’t want to interfere with your editing of the article)
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jonasw
(by # of yes votes)
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Alex
yes, working on it
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Guus
make the wiki table start with this: {| class="wikitable sortable"
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jonasw
or that
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Guus
that will give you sortable (clickable) columns.
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Alex
Council:
========
Dave Cridland 35 9
Kevin Smith 33 11
Daniel Gultsch 33 11
Georg Lukas 32 12
Sam Whited 29 15
Emmanuel Gil Peyrot 23 21
Arc Riley 19 25
Board:
======
Matthew Wild 38 6
Guus der Kinderen 37 7
Ralph Meijer 33 11
Martin Hewitt 32 12
Arc Riley 29 15
Nicolas Vérité 29 15
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Alex
those are the sorted results
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mathieui
Congrats to the new board and council!
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Arc
we need to resolve the tie first
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Zash
Do we have procedures for ties?
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Alex
table is also sortable now
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SamWhited
Do Arc and Nico get to have a fight to the death now?
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mathieui
:D
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Kev
Let's see if I can click that link without my tablet dying this time...
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mathieui
do we have to re-vote between Arc and nyco?
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Arc
council has a tie too but it doesn't matter
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Alex
yes, top 5 in council are:
Dave Cridland
Kevin Smith
Daniel Gultsch
Georg Lukas
Sam Whited
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Kev
Oh, that's interesting. A point of order that I have no clue what the right thing to do is.
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Arc
Kev: unprecidented
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Kev
Congrats Arc and Nyco, you've broken me :D
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Alex
we did not have a tie in the last 12 years IIRC, so lets look at the bylaws, its covered somewhere there
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Guus
"Fourth, in the case of a tie for the final remaining position, the final individual shall be chosen in accordance with the procedures defined in “RFC 3797: Publicly Verifiable Nominations Committee (NomCom) Random Selection” published by the Internet Engineering Task Force."
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Guus
from Section 3.13 Voting Procedure for Election of Board and Council.
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mathieui
no fight to the death then
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SamWhited
random.org?
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Kev
Nomcom. Delightful :)
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jonasw
Kev, since you know points of orders, what happens to open votes from people who now leave council? ✎
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jonasw
Kev, since you know points of orders, what happens to pending votes from people who now leave council? ✏
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SouL
What a great time to be alive!
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Kev
Any open voting gets restarted by new Council generally, but I don't think that's exactly stated.
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Kev
I suggest that we don't need to resolve the tie right now, as the voting part has been completed, which is what's needed for the meeting.
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Kev
And it'd be better to take our time and check we follow the nomcom rules properly than rush something and open ourselves up to someone complaining.
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Kev
Better to resolve it out of meeting, e.g. tomorrow or whatever.
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Alex
Kev: (Y)
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Kev
So I motion to adjourn.
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SamWhited
Seconded
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Zash
+1
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Arc
+1
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mathieui
+1
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SouL
Completely agree, yes.
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Alex
7) Formal Adjournment
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Kev
See above :D
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Alex
/ me bangs the gavel
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Kev
Thanks again Alex.
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Kev
And thanks to outgoing Council/Board, and to everyone who's stood this year.
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SamWhited
Thanks all!
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Kev
And thanks to everyone from last term's council/board and everyone who stood this year.
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Kev
And now I'm sat in a theatre with a show starting in 3 minutes, so I'm vanishing :D
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Guus
(what he said)
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mathieui
Alex, your gavel banging wasn’t xep-0245-valid therefore I consider this meeting moot
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Guus
(minus the theatre bit, but do enjoy, Kev)
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SouL
Thank you very much guys. So excited about what is to come and very thankful for what has been done. Congratulation to the ones that know the result and best wishes to the ones that will have to wait for a final result.
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Zash
... {xep 245}?
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Bunneh
Zash: The /me Command (Informational, Active, 2009-01-21)
See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0245.html
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mathieui: you may file a formal complaint
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Wow, so my power failed right in time to completely miss the meeting. Congratulations, everyone!
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Ge0rG, congratulations, you
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🙇
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mathieui: would now be the appropriate time to complain that you broke my poezio logging patch that replaced the incorrect 'narrow non-BREAK SPACE' (U+202F) with the proper 'NO-BREAK SPACE' (U+00A0) by replacing the 'NO-BREAK SPACE' (U+00A0) with a 'SPACE' (U+0020)?
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mathieui
why don’t you like the narrow non-break space?
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Ge0rG
Because that's not what the log file parser expects, and everybody would have to rewrite all their log files
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Ge0rG: Indeed; congrats! We have a meeting tomorrow at the usual time (which I would tell you except that I always forget what that is) if you want to show up and observe!
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SamWhited: I hope I can make it, I need to travel 1100km and attend a multi hour meeting tomorrow
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Kev
Sam - actually, I don't think there's a new Council meeting until new Council agree on a time.
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We don't automatically do one at the time agreed by previous Council.
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Kev: Oh? I thought there was a week or two of overlap before the old council was actually done, is that not true?
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Not unless my memory is failing. Once the elections are done, new Council/Board come in.
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*nods* thanks
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Ge0rG
Fire up the memberbot! We need to elect a meeting time!
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Kev
I think we can probably do without memberbot for this.
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Kev
I can't do anything tonight, but tomorrow I can make sure the Council list is updated (please mail me to let me know what address all of New Council want to use) and we can sort a time out there.
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Kev: what kind of address do you need?
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email please.
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Ge0rG
Kev: georg@op-co.de
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Kev
Sam - as the only person for whom normal meeting time is 'early', is the normal time convenient for you? So if we had a thread tomorrow and could agree to do that, would you be able to make it?
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Kev
Thanks Georg.
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SamWhited
Kev: The normal time works great for me
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Kev
I'll try to remember to sort out the list first thing, and start a thread.
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Kev
Unless someone beats me to it.
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Ge0rG
Sorry for my ignorance, but what is the Official Last Time?
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SamWhited
I thought we voted to have a normal meeting next-week-same-time last week which is why I thought there was another meeting or two with the old council left
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Kev
Sam: I suspect people forgot when the election was (I did).
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Kev
Georg: 4PM UTC, I think.
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Kev
Although I think this year's Council might have done something odd, so I'm not sure (where something odd is not anchoring to UK winter/summer time)
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Ge0rG
4PM UTC WFM, irregardless of how much daylight gets saved
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Ge0rG
At least in general, tomorrow will be a close call because my appointment ends at 4 and I need to take a taxi and a train right after
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SamWhited
Ge0rG: I forget, where are you located?
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Ge0rG
SamWhited: Germany
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SamWhited
Ah, right
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Kev
Georg - so 4 tomorrow wouldn't work for you?
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Kev
I think the second act's about to start, so I might vanish suddenly.
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SamWhited
Kev: what are you seeing?
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Ge0rG
Kev: I don't know yet, it really depends on the appointment.
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Kev
Tiger Bay. You won't have heard of it :)
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SamWhited
I've seen the movie… not sure if related.
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Ge0rG
Kev: I know for sure I can't make anything earlier than 4
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Kev
Sam: What's your window, and we can try to arrange something within that for tomorrow, I guess.
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Kev
Once Dave and Daniel are around.
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Ge0rG
With some luck I'll be sitting in the train station lounge with good wifi, and not on the train with bad mobile data
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SamWhited
1300 to 2100 UTC with some leeway on either side
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2nd act. o7
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dwd
Kev, Ge0rG, SamWhited, daniel - I'm free all afternoon tomorrow. Also congratulations.
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