XSF Discussion - 2017-11-21

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06:22:23 SouL Ge0rG said "Zash: Maybe. But maybe an "active" was just because you were switching tabs..." I do agree with that, that doesn't mean that you read the message or anything.
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11:21:19 pep. https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Maxime_Buquet_Application_2017 tada.
11:21:47 Ge0rG just in time
11:21:53 pep. :-°
11:24:59 Guus my business was already closed for the day!
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15:03:17 daniel > Did I mention my love to race conditions already? If yaxim receives a MUC message from my own nickname, it marks the MUC as read and removes pending notifications. Now this also happens if this is a message I sent from this yaxim instance, and it clears notifications that happened between me sending the message and receiving the reflection. Did you find a way to fix this Ge0rG?
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15:17:51 Ge0rG daniel: I could try to detect messages sent by this instance, using the message-ID or body-content heuristic, and then ignore this "outgoing" message for the sake of marking as read
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16:18:58 SamWhited Someone at work just started sharing this around and I hadn't seen it before; looks interesting though: http://archipelproject.org/
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16:20:39 Zash Looks dead tho
16:21:00 SamWhited yah, been a while since it was updated
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18:20:08 Arc SamWhited: wait, who wrote this?
18:20:35 SamWhited No idea
18:21:15 Arc there's a team list on their github, i recognize none of the names
18:21:23 Arc this looks pretty awesome actually.
18:23:22 Arc im eagerly waiting for the election results, mostly to see if I'm finally free :-P
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18:24:37 Arc SamWhited: dead or not, its AGPLv3 and looks ripe for someone to take it on
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18:38:09 SamWhited I was suprised that I didn't recognize any of the names
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18:47:56 SouL The same happened to me while ago when I discovered the project. A bit like a rollercoaster regarding my feelings, from "woah looks great, XMPP!" to "oh... It seems a bit dead..."
18:48:44 mathieui maybe it just works™
18:49:05 Zash maybe it was perfect, so nobody had any reason to get involved
18:49:29 Zash maybe it was so broken, everyone who even looked at it got burnt out instantly
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18:52:50 Guus SamWhited: how was this found by your coworker?
18:54:15 SamWhited Guus: No idea
18:55:53 Alex he guys, everybody ready for our annual meeting?
18:55:59 Arc yup
18:56:14 Guus what was he searching for? Why did he share this around? XMPP aficionado?
18:57:09 SamWhited No, we use HipChat so he wondered if we could plug it up to that
18:57:21 Arc they have a CLA, so unlikely to get a lot of 3rd party help
18:57:39 Arc unless you do a real fork
18:58:13 Guus Alex, don't let us keep you
18:58:59 Arc SamWhited: did you remind your coworker that hipchat doesnt federate?
18:59:05 Alex bangs the gavel
18:59:20 Alex here is our Agenda for today
18:59:22 Alex https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meeting-Minutes-2017-11-21
18:59:43 Alex 2) Call for Quorum
19:00:08 Alex as you can see 44 members already voted via memberbot, so we have a quorum for this election
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19:00:22 Alex 3) Items Subject to a Vote
19:00:51 Alex board and council elections, you can find all applicants here: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2017
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19:01:11 Alex 4) Opportunity for XSF members to Vote in the Meeting
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19:01:16 jonasw (oh I totally forgot about this despite it being in my calendar)
19:01:20 jonasw hi Alex, thanks for doing this :)
19:01:35 Alex anybody here who has not voted yet, and wants to do so in this meeting?
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19:02:46 Alex if not, I will shutdown memberbot and start counting
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19:03:37 Alex okay, looks like everybody voted
19:03:48 Alex so let me shutdown the bot and work on teh results
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19:10:46 Alex 5) Announcement of Voting Results
19:10:55 Zash *drumroll*
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19:11:11 Alex when you reload the page you can see the results:
19:11:13 Alex https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meeting-Minutes-2017-11-21#Announcement_of_Voting_Results
19:11:41 Arc oh shit, we have a tie
19:12:09 Alex oh ya, we have
19:12:27 jonasw Alex, could you sort the tables? (I don’t want to interfere with your editing of the article)
19:12:33 jonasw (by # of yes votes)
19:12:52 Alex yes, working on it
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19:13:08 Guus make the wiki table start with this: {| class="wikitable sortable"
19:13:12 jonasw or that
19:13:17 Guus that will give you sortable (clickable) columns.
19:13:21 Alex Council: ======== Dave Cridland 35 9 Kevin Smith 33 11 Daniel Gultsch 33 11 Georg Lukas 32 12 Sam Whited 29 15 Emmanuel Gil Peyrot 23 21 Arc Riley 19 25 Board: ====== Matthew Wild 38 6 Guus der Kinderen 37 7 Ralph Meijer 33 11 Martin Hewitt 32 12 Arc Riley 29 15 Nicolas Vérité 29 15
19:13:28 Alex those are the sorted results
19:13:28 mathieui Congrats to the new board and council!
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19:13:45 Arc we need to resolve the tie first
19:13:55 Zash Do we have procedures for ties?
19:14:00 Alex table is also sortable now
19:14:04 SamWhited Do Arc and Nico get to have a fight to the death now?
19:14:08 mathieui :D
19:14:11 Kev Let's see if I can click that link without my tablet dying this time...
19:14:28 mathieui do we have to re-vote between Arc and nyco?
19:14:31 Arc council has a tie too but it doesn't matter
19:15:16 Alex yes, top 5 in council are: Dave Cridland Kevin Smith Daniel Gultsch Georg Lukas Sam Whited
19:15:23 Kev Oh, that's interesting. A point of order that I have no clue what the right thing to do is.
19:15:43 Arc Kev: unprecidented
19:15:47 Kev Congrats Arc and Nyco, you've broken me :D
19:15:52 Alex we did not have a tie in the last 12 years IIRC, so lets look at the bylaws, its covered somewhere there
19:16:02 Guus "Fourth, in the case of a tie for the final remaining position, the final individual shall be chosen in accordance with the procedures defined in “RFC 3797: Publicly Verifiable Nominations Committee (NomCom) Random Selection” published by the Internet Engineering Task Force."
19:16:21 Guus from Section 3.13 Voting Procedure for Election of Board and Council.
19:16:34 mathieui no fight to the death then
19:16:49 SamWhited random.org?
19:17:05 Kev Nomcom. Delightful :)
19:17:30 jonasw Kev, since you know points of orders, what happens to open votes from people who now leave council?
19:17:37 jonasw Kev, since you know points of orders, what happens to pending votes from people who now leave council?
19:18:15 SouL What a great time to be alive!
19:18:47 Kev Any open voting gets restarted by new Council generally, but I don't think that's exactly stated.
19:19:03 Kev I suggest that we don't need to resolve the tie right now, as the voting part has been completed, which is what's needed for the meeting.
19:19:24 Kev And it'd be better to take our time and check we follow the nomcom rules properly than rush something and open ourselves up to someone complaining.
19:19:44 Kev Better to resolve it out of meeting, e.g. tomorrow or whatever.
19:19:47 Alex Kev: (Y)
19:20:15 Kev So I motion to adjourn.
19:20:21 SamWhited Seconded
19:20:23 Zash +1
19:20:29 Arc +1
19:20:31 mathieui +1
19:20:51 SouL Completely agree, yes.
19:20:58 Alex 7) Formal Adjournment
19:21:03 Kev See above :D
19:21:05 Alex / me bangs the gavel
19:21:10 Kev Thanks again Alex.
19:21:21 Kev And thanks to outgoing Council/Board, and to everyone who's stood this year.
19:21:28 SamWhited Thanks all!
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19:22:08 Kev And thanks to everyone from last term's council/board and everyone who stood this year.
19:22:23 Kev And now I'm sat in a theatre with a show starting in 3 minutes, so I'm vanishing :D
19:22:29 Guus (what he said)
19:22:29 mathieui Alex, your gavel banging wasn’t xep-0245-valid therefore I consider this meeting moot
19:22:42 Guus (minus the theatre bit, but do enjoy, Kev)
19:22:43 SouL Thank you very much guys. So excited about what is to come and very thankful for what has been done. Congratulation to the ones that know the result and best wishes to the ones that will have to wait for a final result.
19:22:45 Zash ... {xep 245}?
19:22:50 Bunneh Zash: The /me Command (Informational, Active, 2009-01-21) See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0245.html
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19:23:16 Zash mathieui: you may file a formal complaint
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19:40:47 Ge0rG Wow, so my power failed right in time to completely miss the meeting. Congratulations, everyone!
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19:41:40 mathieui Ge0rG, congratulations, you
19:46:08 Ge0rG 🙇
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19:50:09 Ge0rG mathieui: would now be the appropriate time to complain that you broke my poezio logging patch that replaced the incorrect 'narrow non-BREAK SPACE' (U+202F) with the proper 'NO-BREAK SPACE' (U+00A0) by replacing the 'NO-BREAK SPACE' (U+00A0) with a 'SPACE' (U+0020)?
19:50:36 mathieui why don’t you like the narrow non-break space?
19:51:20 Ge0rG Because that's not what the log file parser expects, and everybody would have to rewrite all their log files
19:51:34 SamWhited Ge0rG: Indeed; congrats! We have a meeting tomorrow at the usual time (which I would tell you except that I always forget what that is) if you want to show up and observe!
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19:55:24 Ge0rG SamWhited: I hope I can make it, I need to travel 1100km and attend a multi hour meeting tomorrow
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20:56:26 Kev Sam - actually, I don't think there's a new Council meeting until new Council agree on a time.
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20:56:42 Kev We don't automatically do one at the time agreed by previous Council.
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20:56:44 SamWhited Kev: Oh? I thought there was a week or two of overlap before the old council was actually done, is that not true?
20:57:20 Kev Not unless my memory is failing. Once the elections are done, new Council/Board come in.
20:57:30 SamWhited *nods* thanks
20:58:13 Ge0rG Fire up the memberbot! We need to elect a meeting time!
20:58:29 Kev I think we can probably do without memberbot for this.
20:59:05 Kev I can't do anything tonight, but tomorrow I can make sure the Council list is updated (please mail me to let me know what address all of New Council want to use) and we can sort a time out there.
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20:59:43 Ge0rG Kev: what kind of address do you need?
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20:59:59 Kev email please.
21:00:17 Ge0rG Kev: georg@op-co.de
21:00:36 Kev Sam - as the only person for whom normal meeting time is 'early', is the normal time convenient for you? So if we had a thread tomorrow and could agree to do that, would you be able to make it?
21:00:47 Kev Thanks Georg.
21:01:19 SamWhited Kev: The normal time works great for me
21:01:37 Kev I'll try to remember to sort out the list first thing, and start a thread.
21:01:47 Kev Unless someone beats me to it.
21:01:49 Ge0rG Sorry for my ignorance, but what is the Official Last Time?
21:01:50 SamWhited I thought we voted to have a normal meeting next-week-same-time last week which is why I thought there was another meeting or two with the old council left
21:02:13 Kev Sam: I suspect people forgot when the election was (I did).
21:02:23 Kev Georg: 4PM UTC, I think.
21:03:17 Kev Although I think this year's Council might have done something odd, so I'm not sure (where something odd is not anchoring to UK winter/summer time)
21:04:02 Ge0rG 4PM UTC WFM, irregardless of how much daylight gets saved
21:05:27 Ge0rG At least in general, tomorrow will be a close call because my appointment ends at 4 and I need to take a taxi and a train right after
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21:06:07 SamWhited Ge0rG: I forget, where are you located?
21:06:34 Ge0rG SamWhited: Germany
21:06:57 SamWhited Ah, right
21:07:33 Kev Georg - so 4 tomorrow wouldn't work for you?
21:07:58 Kev I think the second act's about to start, so I might vanish suddenly.
21:08:11 SamWhited Kev: what are you seeing?
21:08:18 Ge0rG Kev: I don't know yet, it really depends on the appointment.
21:08:25 Kev Tiger Bay. You won't have heard of it :)
21:09:10 SamWhited I've seen the movie… not sure if related.
21:09:15 Ge0rG Kev: I know for sure I can't make anything earlier than 4
21:09:51 Kev Sam: What's your window, and we can try to arrange something within that for tomorrow, I guess.
21:10:16 Kev Once Dave and Daniel are around.
21:10:27 Ge0rG With some luck I'll be sitting in the train station lounge with good wifi, and not on the train with bad mobile data
21:12:03 SamWhited 1300 to 2100 UTC with some leeway on either side
21:12:17 Kev 2nd act. o7
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23:39:13 dwd Kev, Ge0rG, SamWhited, daniel - I'm free all afternoon tomorrow. Also congratulations.
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