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Ge0rG said "Zash: Maybe. But maybe an "active" was just because you were switching tabs..." I do agree with that, that doesn't mean that you read the message or anything.
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https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Maxime_Buquet_Application_2017 tada.
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just in time
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:-°
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my business was already closed for the day!
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> Did I mention my love to race conditions already? If yaxim receives a MUC message from my own nickname, it marks the MUC as read and removes pending notifications. Now this also happens if this is a message I sent from this yaxim instance, and it clears notifications that happened between me sending the message and receiving the reflection.
Did you find a way to fix this Ge0rG?
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daniel: I could try to detect messages sent by this instance, using the message-ID or body-content heuristic, and then ignore this "outgoing" message for the sake of marking as read
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Someone at work just started sharing this around and I hadn't seen it before; looks interesting though: http://archipelproject.org/
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Looks dead tho
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yah, been a while since it was updated
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SamWhited: wait, who wrote this?
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No idea
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there's a team list on their github, i recognize none of the names
Arc
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this looks pretty awesome actually.
Arc
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im eagerly waiting for the election results, mostly to see if I'm finally free :-P
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SamWhited: dead or not, its AGPLv3 and looks ripe for someone to take it on
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I was suprised that I didn't recognize any of the names
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The same happened to me while ago when I discovered the project. A bit like a rollercoaster regarding my feelings, from "woah looks great, XMPP!" to "oh... It seems a bit dead..."
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maybe it just works™
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maybe it was perfect, so nobody had any reason to get involved
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maybe it was so broken, everyone who even looked at it got burnt out instantly
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SamWhited: how was this found by your coworker?
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Guus: No idea
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he guys, everybody ready for our annual meeting?
Arc
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yup
Guus
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what was he searching for? Why did he share this around? XMPP aficionado?
SamWhited
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No, we use HipChat so he wondered if we could plug it up to that
Arc
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they have a CLA, so unlikely to get a lot of 3rd party help
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unless you do a real fork
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Alex, don't let us keep you
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SamWhited: did you remind your coworker that hipchat doesnt federate?
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Alex
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here is our Agenda for today
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https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meeting-Minutes-2017-11-21
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2) Call for Quorum
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as you can see 44 members already voted via memberbot, so we have a quorum for this election
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3) Items Subject to a Vote
Alex
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board and council elections, you can find all applicants here:
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2017
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4) Opportunity for XSF members to Vote in the Meeting
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(oh I totally forgot about this despite it being in my calendar)
jonasw
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hi Alex, thanks for doing this :)
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anybody here who has not voted yet, and wants to do so in this meeting?
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if not, I will shutdown memberbot and start counting
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okay, looks like everybody voted
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so let me shutdown the bot and work on teh results
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still counting...
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5) Announcement of Voting Results
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*drumroll*
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when you reload the page you can see the results:
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https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meeting-Minutes-2017-11-21#Announcement_of_Voting_Results
Arc
19:11:41
oh shit, we have a tie
Alex
19:12:09
oh ya, we have
jonasw
19:12:27
Alex, could you sort the tables? (I don’t want to interfere with your editing of the article)
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(by # of yes votes)
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yes, working on it
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make the wiki table start with this: {| class="wikitable sortable"
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or that
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that will give you sortable (clickable) columns.
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Council:
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Dave Cridland 35 9
Kevin Smith 33 11
Daniel Gultsch 33 11
Georg Lukas 32 12
Sam Whited 29 15
Emmanuel Gil Peyrot 23 21
Arc Riley 19 25
Board:
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Matthew Wild 38 6
Guus der Kinderen 37 7
Ralph Meijer 33 11
Martin Hewitt 32 12
Arc Riley 29 15
Nicolas Vérité 29 15
Alex
19:13:28
those are the sorted results
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Congrats to the new board and council!
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Arc
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we need to resolve the tie first
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Do we have procedures for ties?
Alex
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table is also sortable now
SamWhited
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Do Arc and Nico get to have a fight to the death now?
mathieui
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:D
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Let's see if I can click that link without my tablet dying this time...
mathieui
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do we have to re-vote between Arc and nyco?
Arc
19:14:31
council has a tie too but it doesn't matter
Alex
19:15:16
yes, top 5 in council are:
Dave Cridland
Kevin Smith
Daniel Gultsch
Georg Lukas
Sam Whited
Kev
19:15:23
Oh, that's interesting. A point of order that I have no clue what the right thing to do is.
Arc
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Kev: unprecidented
Kev
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Congrats Arc and Nyco, you've broken me :D
Alex
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we did not have a tie in the last 12 years IIRC, so lets look at the bylaws, its covered somewhere there
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"Fourth, in the case of a tie for the final remaining position, the final individual shall be chosen in accordance with the procedures defined in “RFC 3797: Publicly Verifiable Nominations Committee (NomCom) Random Selection” published by the Internet Engineering Task Force."
Guus
19:16:21
from Section 3.13 Voting Procedure for Election of Board and Council.
mathieui
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no fight to the death then
SamWhited
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random.org?
Kev
19:17:05
Nomcom. Delightful :)
jonasw
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Kev, since you know points of orders, what happens to open votes from people who now leave council? ✎
jonasw
19:17:37
Kev, since you know points of orders, what happens to pending votes from people who now leave council? ✏
SouL
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What a great time to be alive!
Kev
19:18:47
Any open voting gets restarted by new Council generally, but I don't think that's exactly stated.
Kev
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I suggest that we don't need to resolve the tie right now, as the voting part has been completed, which is what's needed for the meeting.
Kev
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And it'd be better to take our time and check we follow the nomcom rules properly than rush something and open ourselves up to someone complaining.
Kev
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Better to resolve it out of meeting, e.g. tomorrow or whatever.
Alex
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Kev: (Y)
Kev
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So I motion to adjourn.
SamWhited
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Seconded
Zash
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+1
Arc
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+1
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+1
SouL
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Completely agree, yes.
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7) Formal Adjournment
Kev
19:21:03
See above :D
Alex
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/ me bangs the gavel
Kev
19:21:10
Thanks again Alex.
Kev
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And thanks to outgoing Council/Board, and to everyone who's stood this year.
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Thanks all!
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Kev
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And thanks to everyone from last term's council/board and everyone who stood this year.
Kev
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And now I'm sat in a theatre with a show starting in 3 minutes, so I'm vanishing :D
Guus
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(what he said)
mathieui
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Alex, your gavel banging wasn’t xep-0245-valid therefore I consider this meeting moot
Guus
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(minus the theatre bit, but do enjoy, Kev)
SouL
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Thank you very much guys. So excited about what is to come and very thankful for what has been done. Congratulation to the ones that know the result and best wishes to the ones that will have to wait for a final result.
Zash
19:22:45
... {xep 245}?
Bunneh
19:22:50
Zash: The /me Command (Informational, Active, 2009-01-21)
See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0245.html
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mathieui: you may file a formal complaint
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Ge0rG
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Wow, so my power failed right in time to completely miss the meeting. Congratulations, everyone!
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Ge0rG, congratulations, you
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🙇
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mathieui: would now be the appropriate time to complain that you broke my poezio logging patch that replaced the incorrect 'narrow non-BREAK SPACE' (U+202F) with the proper 'NO-BREAK SPACE' (U+00A0) by replacing the 'NO-BREAK SPACE' (U+00A0) with a 'SPACE' (U+0020)?
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why don’t you like the narrow non-break space?
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Because that's not what the log file parser expects, and everybody would have to rewrite all their log files
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Ge0rG: Indeed; congrats! We have a meeting tomorrow at the usual time (which I would tell you except that I always forget what that is) if you want to show up and observe!
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SamWhited: I hope I can make it, I need to travel 1100km and attend a multi hour meeting tomorrow
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Sam - actually, I don't think there's a new Council meeting until new Council agree on a time.
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We don't automatically do one at the time agreed by previous Council.
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Kev: Oh? I thought there was a week or two of overlap before the old council was actually done, is that not true?
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Not unless my memory is failing. Once the elections are done, new Council/Board come in.
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*nods* thanks
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Fire up the memberbot! We need to elect a meeting time!
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I think we can probably do without memberbot for this.
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I can't do anything tonight, but tomorrow I can make sure the Council list is updated (please mail me to let me know what address all of New Council want to use) and we can sort a time out there.
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Kev: what kind of address do you need?
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email please.
Ge0rG
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Kev: georg@op-co.de
Kev
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Sam - as the only person for whom normal meeting time is 'early', is the normal time convenient for you? So if we had a thread tomorrow and could agree to do that, would you be able to make it?
Kev
21:00:47
Thanks Georg.
SamWhited
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Kev: The normal time works great for me
Kev
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I'll try to remember to sort out the list first thing, and start a thread.
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Unless someone beats me to it.
Ge0rG
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Sorry for my ignorance, but what is the Official Last Time?
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I thought we voted to have a normal meeting next-week-same-time last week which is why I thought there was another meeting or two with the old council left
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Sam: I suspect people forgot when the election was (I did).
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Georg: 4PM UTC, I think.
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Although I think this year's Council might have done something odd, so I'm not sure (where something odd is not anchoring to UK winter/summer time)
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21:04:02
4PM UTC WFM, irregardless of how much daylight gets saved
Ge0rG
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At least in general, tomorrow will be a close call because my appointment ends at 4 and I need to take a taxi and a train right after
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Ge0rG: I forget, where are you located?
Ge0rG
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SamWhited: Germany
SamWhited
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Ah, right
Kev
21:07:33
Georg - so 4 tomorrow wouldn't work for you?
Kev
21:07:58
I think the second act's about to start, so I might vanish suddenly.
SamWhited
21:08:11
Kev: what are you seeing?
Ge0rG
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Kev: I don't know yet, it really depends on the appointment.
Kev
21:08:25
Tiger Bay. You won't have heard of it :)
SamWhited
21:09:10
I've seen the movie… not sure if related.
Ge0rG
21:09:15
Kev: I know for sure I can't make anything earlier than 4
Kev
21:09:51
Sam: What's your window, and we can try to arrange something within that for tomorrow, I guess.
Kev
21:10:16
Once Dave and Daniel are around.
Ge0rG
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With some luck I'll be sitting in the train station lounge with good wifi, and not on the train with bad mobile data
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1300 to 2100 UTC with some leeway on either side
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2nd act. o7
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Kev, Ge0rG, SamWhited, daniel - I'm free all afternoon tomorrow. Also congratulations.
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