XSF Discussion - 2017-11-21


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  120. SouL

    Ge0rG said "Zash: Maybe. But maybe an "active" was just because you were switching tabs..." I do agree with that, that doesn't mean that you read the message or anything.

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  197. pep.

    https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Maxime_Buquet_Application_2017 tada.

  198. Ge0rG

    just in time

  199. pep.

    :-°

  200. Guus

    my business was already closed for the day!

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  310. daniel

    > Did I mention my love to race conditions already? If yaxim receives a MUC message from my own nickname, it marks the MUC as read and removes pending notifications. Now this also happens if this is a message I sent from this yaxim instance, and it clears notifications that happened between me sending the message and receiving the reflection. Did you find a way to fix this Ge0rG?

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  320. Ge0rG

    daniel: I could try to detect messages sent by this instance, using the message-ID or body-content heuristic, and then ignore this "outgoing" message for the sake of marking as read

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  363. SamWhited

    Someone at work just started sharing this around and I hadn't seen it before; looks interesting though: http://archipelproject.org/

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  367. Zash

    Looks dead tho

  368. SamWhited

    yah, been a while since it was updated

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  469. Arc

    SamWhited: wait, who wrote this?

  470. SamWhited

    No idea

  471. Arc

    there's a team list on their github, i recognize none of the names

  472. Arc

    this looks pretty awesome actually.

  473. Arc

    im eagerly waiting for the election results, mostly to see if I'm finally free :-P

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  475. Arc

    SamWhited: dead or not, its AGPLv3 and looks ripe for someone to take it on

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  482. SamWhited

    I was suprised that I didn't recognize any of the names

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  488. SouL

    The same happened to me while ago when I discovered the project. A bit like a rollercoaster regarding my feelings, from "woah looks great, XMPP!" to "oh... It seems a bit dead..."

  489. mathieui

    maybe it just works™

  490. Zash

    maybe it was perfect, so nobody had any reason to get involved

  491. Zash

    maybe it was so broken, everyone who even looked at it got burnt out instantly

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  498. Guus

    SamWhited: how was this found by your coworker?

  499. SamWhited

    Guus: No idea

  500. Alex

    he guys, everybody ready for our annual meeting?

  501. Arc

    yup

  502. Guus

    what was he searching for? Why did he share this around? XMPP aficionado?

  503. SamWhited

    No, we use HipChat so he wondered if we could plug it up to that

  504. Arc

    they have a CLA, so unlikely to get a lot of 3rd party help

  505. Arc

    unless you do a real fork

  506. Guus

    Alex, don't let us keep you

  507. Arc

    SamWhited: did you remind your coworker that hipchat doesnt federate?

  508. Alex bangs the gavel

  509. Alex

    here is our Agenda for today

  510. Alex

    https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meeting-Minutes-2017-11-21

  511. Alex

    2) Call for Quorum

  512. Alex

    as you can see 44 members already voted via memberbot, so we have a quorum for this election

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  514. Alex

    3) Items Subject to a Vote

  515. Alex

    board and council elections, you can find all applicants here: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Board_and_Council_Elections_2017

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  517. Alex

    4) Opportunity for XSF members to Vote in the Meeting

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  519. jonasw

    (oh I totally forgot about this despite it being in my calendar)

  520. jonasw

    hi Alex, thanks for doing this :)

  521. Alex

    anybody here who has not voted yet, and wants to do so in this meeting?

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  524. Alex

    if not, I will shutdown memberbot and start counting

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  526. Alex

    okay, looks like everybody voted

  527. Alex

    so let me shutdown the bot and work on teh results

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  530. Alex

    still counting...

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  534. Alex

    5) Announcement of Voting Results

  535. Zash

    *drumroll*

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  537. Alex

    when you reload the page you can see the results:

  538. Alex

    https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Meeting-Minutes-2017-11-21#Announcement_of_Voting_Results

  539. Arc

    oh shit, we have a tie

  540. Alex

    oh ya, we have

  541. jonasw

    Alex, could you sort the tables? (I don’t want to interfere with your editing of the article)

  542. jonasw

    (by # of yes votes)

  543. Alex

    yes, working on it

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  545. Guus

    make the wiki table start with this: {| class="wikitable sortable"

  546. jonasw

    or that

  547. Guus

    that will give you sortable (clickable) columns.

  548. Alex

    Council: ======== Dave Cridland 35 9 Kevin Smith 33 11 Daniel Gultsch 33 11 Georg Lukas 32 12 Sam Whited 29 15 Emmanuel Gil Peyrot 23 21 Arc Riley 19 25 Board: ====== Matthew Wild 38 6 Guus der Kinderen 37 7 Ralph Meijer 33 11 Martin Hewitt 32 12 Arc Riley 29 15 Nicolas Vérité 29 15

  549. Alex

    those are the sorted results

  550. mathieui

    Congrats to the new board and council!

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  552. Arc

    we need to resolve the tie first

  553. Zash

    Do we have procedures for ties?

  554. Alex

    table is also sortable now

  555. SamWhited

    Do Arc and Nico get to have a fight to the death now?

  556. mathieui

    :D

  557. Kev

    Let's see if I can click that link without my tablet dying this time...

  558. mathieui

    do we have to re-vote between Arc and nyco?

  559. Arc

    council has a tie too but it doesn't matter

  560. Alex

    yes, top 5 in council are: Dave Cridland Kevin Smith Daniel Gultsch Georg Lukas Sam Whited

  561. Kev

    Oh, that's interesting. A point of order that I have no clue what the right thing to do is.

  562. Arc

    Kev: unprecidented

  563. Kev

    Congrats Arc and Nyco, you've broken me :D

  564. Alex

    we did not have a tie in the last 12 years IIRC, so lets look at the bylaws, its covered somewhere there

  565. Guus

    "Fourth, in the case of a tie for the final remaining position, the final individual shall be chosen in accordance with the procedures defined in “RFC 3797: Publicly Verifiable Nominations Committee (NomCom) Random Selection” published by the Internet Engineering Task Force."

  566. Guus

    from Section 3.13 Voting Procedure for Election of Board and Council.

  567. mathieui

    no fight to the death then

  568. SamWhited

    random.org?

  569. Kev

    Nomcom. Delightful :)

  570. jonasw

    Kev, since you know points of orders, what happens to open votes from people who now leave council?

  571. jonasw

    Kev, since you know points of orders, what happens to pending votes from people who now leave council?

  572. SouL

    What a great time to be alive!

  573. Kev

    Any open voting gets restarted by new Council generally, but I don't think that's exactly stated.

  574. Kev

    I suggest that we don't need to resolve the tie right now, as the voting part has been completed, which is what's needed for the meeting.

  575. Kev

    And it'd be better to take our time and check we follow the nomcom rules properly than rush something and open ourselves up to someone complaining.

  576. Kev

    Better to resolve it out of meeting, e.g. tomorrow or whatever.

  577. Alex

    Kev: (Y)

  578. Kev

    So I motion to adjourn.

  579. SamWhited

    Seconded

  580. Zash

    +1

  581. Arc

    +1

  582. mathieui

    +1

  583. SouL

    Completely agree, yes.

  584. Alex

    7) Formal Adjournment

  585. Kev

    See above :D

  586. Alex

    / me bangs the gavel

  587. Kev

    Thanks again Alex.

  588. Kev

    And thanks to outgoing Council/Board, and to everyone who's stood this year.

  589. SamWhited

    Thanks all!

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  591. Kev

    And thanks to everyone from last term's council/board and everyone who stood this year.

  592. Kev

    And now I'm sat in a theatre with a show starting in 3 minutes, so I'm vanishing :D

  593. Guus

    (what he said)

  594. mathieui

    Alex, your gavel banging wasn’t xep-0245-valid therefore I consider this meeting moot

  595. Guus

    (minus the theatre bit, but do enjoy, Kev)

  596. SouL

    Thank you very much guys. So excited about what is to come and very thankful for what has been done. Congratulation to the ones that know the result and best wishes to the ones that will have to wait for a final result.

  597. Zash

    ... {xep 245}?

  598. Bunneh

    Zash: The /me Command (Informational, Active, 2009-01-21) See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0245.html

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  600. Zash

    mathieui: you may file a formal complaint

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  610. Ge0rG

    Wow, so my power failed right in time to completely miss the meeting. Congratulations, everyone!

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  614. mathieui

    Ge0rG, congratulations, you

  615. Ge0rG

    🙇

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  618. Ge0rG

    mathieui: would now be the appropriate time to complain that you broke my poezio logging patch that replaced the incorrect 'narrow non-BREAK SPACE' (U+202F) with the proper 'NO-BREAK SPACE' (U+00A0) by replacing the 'NO-BREAK SPACE' (U+00A0) with a 'SPACE' (U+0020)?

  619. mathieui

    why don’t you like the narrow non-break space?

  620. Ge0rG

    Because that's not what the log file parser expects, and everybody would have to rewrite all their log files

  621. SamWhited

    Ge0rG: Indeed; congrats! We have a meeting tomorrow at the usual time (which I would tell you except that I always forget what that is) if you want to show up and observe!

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  626. Ge0rG

    SamWhited: I hope I can make it, I need to travel 1100km and attend a multi hour meeting tomorrow

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  674. Kev

    Sam - actually, I don't think there's a new Council meeting until new Council agree on a time.

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  676. Kev

    We don't automatically do one at the time agreed by previous Council.

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  678. SamWhited

    Kev: Oh? I thought there was a week or two of overlap before the old council was actually done, is that not true?

  679. Kev

    Not unless my memory is failing. Once the elections are done, new Council/Board come in.

  680. SamWhited

    *nods* thanks

  681. Ge0rG

    Fire up the memberbot! We need to elect a meeting time!

  682. Kev

    I think we can probably do without memberbot for this.

  683. Kev

    I can't do anything tonight, but tomorrow I can make sure the Council list is updated (please mail me to let me know what address all of New Council want to use) and we can sort a time out there.

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  686. Ge0rG

    Kev: what kind of address do you need?

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  688. Kev

    email please.

  689. Ge0rG

    Kev: georg@op-co.de

  690. Kev

    Sam - as the only person for whom normal meeting time is 'early', is the normal time convenient for you? So if we had a thread tomorrow and could agree to do that, would you be able to make it?

  691. Kev

    Thanks Georg.

  692. SamWhited

    Kev: The normal time works great for me

  693. Kev

    I'll try to remember to sort out the list first thing, and start a thread.

  694. Kev

    Unless someone beats me to it.

  695. Ge0rG

    Sorry for my ignorance, but what is the Official Last Time?

  696. SamWhited

    I thought we voted to have a normal meeting next-week-same-time last week which is why I thought there was another meeting or two with the old council left

  697. Kev

    Sam: I suspect people forgot when the election was (I did).

  698. Kev

    Georg: 4PM UTC, I think.

  699. Kev

    Although I think this year's Council might have done something odd, so I'm not sure (where something odd is not anchoring to UK winter/summer time)

  700. Ge0rG

    4PM UTC WFM, irregardless of how much daylight gets saved

  701. Ge0rG

    At least in general, tomorrow will be a close call because my appointment ends at 4 and I need to take a taxi and a train right after

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  703. SamWhited

    Ge0rG: I forget, where are you located?

  704. Ge0rG

    SamWhited: Germany

  705. SamWhited

    Ah, right

  706. Kev

    Georg - so 4 tomorrow wouldn't work for you?

  707. Kev

    I think the second act's about to start, so I might vanish suddenly.

  708. SamWhited

    Kev: what are you seeing?

  709. Ge0rG

    Kev: I don't know yet, it really depends on the appointment.

  710. Kev

    Tiger Bay. You won't have heard of it :)

  711. SamWhited

    I've seen the movie… not sure if related.

  712. Ge0rG

    Kev: I know for sure I can't make anything earlier than 4

  713. Kev

    Sam: What's your window, and we can try to arrange something within that for tomorrow, I guess.

  714. Kev

    Once Dave and Daniel are around.

  715. Ge0rG

    With some luck I'll be sitting in the train station lounge with good wifi, and not on the train with bad mobile data

  716. SamWhited

    1300 to 2100 UTC with some leeway on either side

  717. Kev

    2nd act. o7

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  831. dwd

    Kev, Ge0rG, SamWhited, daniel - I'm free all afternoon tomorrow. Also congratulations.

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