XSF Discussion - 2018-01-02


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  152. Ge0rG

    daniel: what was the background of the "joining MUCs with bare JID" discussion at 34c3?

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  154. mathieui

    Ge0rG, what discussion?

  155. Steve Kille

    Travis seems slow this year

  156. mathieui

    it was about receiving presence updates from the bare JID of a MUC in order to have a room avatar

  157. mathieui

    and whether that would break clients or not

  158. jonasw

    Steve Kille, oh yes

  159. SouL

    Really nice to put logos and such

  160. jonasw

    a lot of my things on it time out

  161. jonasw

    it’s been slow-ish since somewhere between christmas and new years

  162. Ge0rG

    mathieui: ah, okay. It wasn't quite clear to me from the summary

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  170. Ge0rG

    marc: what's the status of your proto XEP?

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  172. marc

    Ge0rG, didn't work on it because of christmas days, 34c3 and new year's eve

  173. marc

    Ge0rG, but I'll work on it this week

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  175. Ge0rG

    marc: that's great!

  176. Ge0rG

    I'm pondering whether I should write an Informational XEP "Best Practices for operating a Public Server"

  177. jonasw

    seems like a useful document

  178. marc

    yes

  179. marc

    What will be the content? "Don't do this!!1!"? :D

  180. Ge0rG

    Any suggestions for what to write into it beyond what's in the last section of https://yaxim.org/blog/2017/12/22/spam-reduction-on-yax-dot-im/

  181. Ge0rG

    marc: yes

  182. SouL

    If Ge0rG is writing that, yes, it would be "Don't do it" haha

  183. marc

    Ge0rG, do you think it's a problem even if the capatch for IBR is strong enough to prevent account abuses?

  184. Ge0rG

    I have a hard time not quoting spiderman.

  185. jonasw

    Ge0rG, I’d suggest a few XEPs which are nice-to-have

  186. jonasw

    feature-wise

  187. Ge0rG

    jonasw: beyond 0387?

  188. marc

    s/capatch/captcha

  189. jonasw

    possibly not. buf referring to the "most recent compliance suite" is probably good

  190. Ge0rG

    jonasw: right.

  191. Ge0rG

    marc: I don't know if there is a captcha strong enough to prevent account abuse.

  192. marc

    Ge0rG, but automatic account abuse (and spam) is the main reason for not running a public server, right?

  193. jonasw

    Ge0rG, after further thought, your document should indeed focus on the operational side of things. Having another XEP which advocates implementation of XEPs (which are irrelevant to the operational side but merely provide features, so unlike XEP-0157) would be bad.

  194. Ge0rG

    jonasw: I'm glad you said that

  195. jonasw

    but "Keep up-to-date with recent compliance suites and evaluate their implementation" should be one point for operations.

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  209. Alex

    XSF member Application page for Q1-2018 https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Membership_Applications_Q1_2018

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  215. jonasw

    \/

  216. jonasw

    \o/

  217. MattJ

    I'll remind waqas :)

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  220. Alex

    MattJ: good idea

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  224. pep.

    Ge0rG, sorry I'm only getting started in the minute taking slavery business :P I might get better at it eventually

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  226. pep.

    Depends how long you'll be able to bear with me

  227. Ge0rG

    pep.: we could use a council minute taker ;)

  228. Ge0rG

    Admittedly, there are some great volunteers already.

  229. pep.

    tbh I don't like taking notes. I always lose track of what's going on when I start writing stuff down, plus I can't take part anymore :x

  230. pep.

    But it's a good exercise, maybe I should do it more often

  231. pep.

    Though taking minutes from a chatroom discussion is probably easier, as I don't have to remember what's been said

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  267. Steve Kille

    jonasw: THANKS! that was quick

  268. jonasw

    Steve Kille, np

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  274. Ge0rG

    jonasw: do you have a colored diff URL as well?

  275. jonasw

    Ge0rG, AFAIK the service doesn’t exist anymore

  276. Ge0rG

    jonasw: so sad.

  277. jonasw

    yeah

  278. jonasw

    feel free to set one up :)

  279. Ge0rG

    jonasw: I'd append that to my TODO list, but it's full already.

  280. Steve Kille

    Ge0rG: the PR is a well structured sequence of commits, so you can quite easily see the changes from them

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