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Neustradamus
After a verification on xmpp.org, I found that the list has been changed, in the past when I managed the list, it will be more important. Psi and Psi+ have not in list, why? https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html
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Neustradamus
http://psi-im.org/ + http://psi-plus.com/
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Neustradamus
Really strange for historical XMPP clients
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Neustradamus
Metronome is not listed too on https://xmpp.org/software/servers.html https://metronome.im/
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Neustradamus
It was before ;)
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moparisthebest
Neustradamus: they adopted an annual renewal policy
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moparisthebest
And apparently those weren't renewed
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moparisthebest
edhelas, la|r|ma: FYI this is the conversations fork that does webrtc audio and video https://github.com/spreedbox/Spreedbox-Android
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moparisthebest
But requires this server for signaling https://github.com/strukturag/spreed-webrtc/
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moparisthebest
la|r|ma: also do you still have that dino audio code
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vanitasvitae
moparisthebest, interesting...
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zinid
edhelas, is it normal I see movim c2s connection on my server even though I closed movim yesterday?
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edhelas
zinid yes it stays open 12 or24h normally
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zinid
edhelas, ok
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edhelas
except if you disconnect
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zinid
disconnect? I have already disconnected 🙂
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zinid
disconnect what?
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zinid
I can only kill the session on the server
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edhelas
closing the tab != disconnect
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Ge0rG
It's awesome how the debates about avatar XEPs and bookmark XEPs got mixed up on standards@ now.
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Ge0rG
I'll just store my avatar in private XML from now on.
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SamWhited
I'm thinking about just retracting the compliance suites and letting someone else deal with it; it's all good discussion, and some of these changes need to be made, but we'll never have compliance suites if we keep bike shedding forever and don't just put *something* through every year. By the time we finally reach consensus the goal posts have shifted and there are newer things that need to be added (like the avatar crossover XEP, which is fantastic, but didn't exist when the compliance suites should have been voted on)
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SamWhited
*grumble, grumble*
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SamWhited
There's basically no point to compliance suites if they can't be published in a timely manner, even if they're not perfect.
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Ge0rG
SamWhited: it was a very unfortunate timing, both with the council election and the holiday season. It's really great that you have kept up pushing this, and I'm really sorry that it didn't work out as intended. I think you are doing a really good job despite all the setbacks you encountered.
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SamWhited
I appreciate it; thanks.
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jonasw
I fully agree with Ge0rG.
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jonasw
but I’d like to mention that as the timings currently are, this will affect all compliance suites
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jonasw
if anything, it’s going to get worse for the next few years if elections continue to shift
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Ge0rG
jonasw: what direction do they shift in?
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jonasw
laterness
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jonasw
IIRC
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jonasw
(I haven’t checked; I just thought that someone mentioned that during last election season)
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Ge0rG
jonasw: that's making things better, as soon as the election happens after new year's eve.
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jonasw
yeah, but that’ll take some time
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Ge0rG
Maybe it would just be better to have the next Compliance Suite ready by Dec 1st.
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jonasw
by the end of council term?
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Ge0rG
Hm.
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SamWhited
I think I had these ready and was trying to get a vote before that, but yah, apparently it needs to be even earlier
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SamWhited
Doesn't matter though; earlier next year is easy, this year is my concern.
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Ge0rG
And then there are the moments where the gremium can't meet due to unforeseen events.
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jonasw
SamWhited, as mentioned in council@, if you and kev can agree, it doesn’t matter what the community thinks (even if that seems harsh). If it’s councils decision that vcard/avatar/private-xml/pep things shall be resolved in the next suites and for now we say "you’ll need both" (or whatever solution you come up with), it can be voted on next meeting I think
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Ge0rG
Yeah, just let the list discussion go on and merge Kev's PR <https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/569>
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daniel
should i mention that you can't implement 223 right now?
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daniel
because it will just get rejected by the server
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daniel
because of the unregistered publish-option
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moparisthebest
What if some new xep0001 changes were voted in just for compliance suites, they are published as is on Jan 1st regardless or something
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Zash
force-accepting it at the end of each council term?
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Flow
Simply don't restart votes?
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jonasw
Flow, you mean we should remove the passage from XEP-0001 which states that outstanding votes by outgoing council are to be re-voted on by incoming council?
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Flow
jonasw, yep, that's what causing trouble again and again. Simply announce the voting, and the council at the time of the announcement has X days time to vote
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jonasw
that seems reasonable
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jonasw
maybe bring that up with board?
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Flow
jonasw, unlikely, not a top priority for me, but I would support it
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moparisthebest
Zash: yes if not accepted before, Jan 1st is drop dead date