XSF Discussion - 2018-01-18

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  181. Guus jonasw: "ERROR: entry 'UWPX': should be placed behind 'Zom' (all entries must be ordered alphabetically by case-folded name)"
  182. Guus U > Z ?
  183. Guus https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/396
  184. jonasw fascinating
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  191. intosi You write Zom, but it's probably pronounced as Aaahhh.
  192. Guus and Jonas' parser picks up on that? Impressive.
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  195. Kev Do you have a better explanation?
  196. jonasw I for sure don’t
  197. Guus Leprechauns.
  198. jonasw no unicode magic going on here
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  201. Guus I think it's just the error message being wrong
  202. Guus as in the commit, UWPX was placed after Zom
  203. jonasw yeah, but why
  204. jonasw I don’t understand that
  205. jonasw ah
  206. jonasw wait
  207. Guus I thnk you just mistyped the error message?
  208. jonasw yeah
  209. jonasw that makes sense
  210. jonasw yeah
  211. jonasw thanks
  212. jonasw that would’ve taken a while to figure out
  213. jonasw made a PR, waiting to see if CI passes on it
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  215. Guus tx
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  258. jonasw Guus, "feature complete" is a can of worms.
  259. jonasw Is dino feature complete?
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  263. Guus "not alpha"
  264. Guus I've reworded it as "non-complete"
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  281. Guus board meeting time
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  284. Guus who's here?
  285. Martin I’m here
  286. Martin (Though I’m on a train, so may lose coverage randomly, apologies in advance)
  287. MattJ Here
  288. Guus ralphm sends apologies.
  289. Guus nyco?
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  291. Guus with Ralph missing, who wants to act as chair?
  292. Guus shall I give it a try?
  293. Martin I’d offer, but I really don’t trust this connection, sorry
  294. Martin Please do Guus
  295. MattJ wfm, thanks Guus
  296. Guus bangs gavel
  297. Guus the agenda, as usual, is in https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
  298. Guus does anyone want to add something last-minute?
  299. Martin Nothing from me
  300. MattJ Nor me
  301. Guus Would someone be so kind and take minutes?
  302. MattJ I can
  303. Kev I'll be vanishing in a couple of minutes, so I can't offer, sorry.
  304. MattJ I think we're also missing minutes from the last meeting - I can go back through the logs and write some up
  305. Guus thanks MattJ, Kev
  306. Guus MattJ, if you'd do that, that would be great, thanks!
  307. MattJ I don't recall what actions came out of the last meeting
  308. Guus nor do I - hopefully you'll find them in the log?
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  310. Guus I suggest that we work down the trello list, see what we come up with.
  311. Guus 3. Topics for decisions
  312. Guus first item there is Summit / FOSDEM
  313. Kev Unless anything involves me, in which case pop it to the top please. I ran out of the meeting last week just as I was being spoken to.
  314. Guus let's first do GSoC then
  315. Guus as you're more likely to have something to say on that, I think.
  316. Kev Stranger things have happened.
  317. Guus GSoC: the deadline for registration (as an organisation) is upon us (Jan 23rd)
  318. Guus Do we want to participate as an umbrella org again, like previous years?
  319. Kev I think it's nice when we do. Although there is plenty of precedent for us taking years off when we've not had the personpower.
  320. Kev I can't put the time in to more-or-less solo-admin, this year.
  321. Kev If there's one, or ideally two, other people who're willing to admin (and likely not mentor), I'm happy to assist them as long as they're willing to do the legwork.
  322. Guus Flow offered to act as an org admin, provided that he can also be a mentor.
  323. nyco here, sorry
  324. Kev That seems like a Bad Idea for a first-time admin.
  325. nyco yes for GSoC
  326. Kev Even as a not-first-time-admin, I've taken to not doing both because the time involved gets silly.
  327. MattJ Kev, how much time is involved?
  328. Kev MattJ: Assume it's about the same as mentoring, so allow an hour a day or so, but on a good year it'll be much less.
  329. Kev It's much more front-loaded than mentoring, though, with preparing the wiki page and the application and stuff.
  330. Kev Day-to-day, it's mostly just keeping on top of the students and the mentors, making sure everyone turns up to the meetings, running the meetings, etc.
  331. Kev And with no disrepsect to Flo, he was usually too busy (I assume) to turn up to the meetings last year. So if he couldn't manage to turn up as a mentor, assuming he'd be able to manage it as an admin seems over-optimistic.
  332. nyco Flow would be good, can be a mentor as well, depending on his capacity to invest time
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  334. MattJ I think we should put out a more explicit request for volunteers
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  336. nyco sure, but that would be sad to miss this
  337. Kev I think just getting volunteers might lead to a case of people volunteering, and not being suitable for it, which is a danger.
  338. MattJ I think it would be good to participate in GSoC if we can, and I think we need Kev to assist if possible
  339. Guus whatever we do, we must do so in a matter of days.
  340. MattJ That is true
  341. Kev It would be better to miss a year, than to do a year badly and damage our (good!) reputation with google.
  342. Guus do we have interest from orgs to be in gsoc under the XSF umbrella?
  343. MattJ Have we had any explicit interest from projects?
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  345. Guus I know that Ignite wants to do GSoC, but also considers running as its own Org (that's what Flow suggested initially - as I'm in both orgs .... )
  346. Kev None of which I'm aware.
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  348. Kev At this point, I think I would suggest just skipping a year, as we've done in the past, based on this. Some other org gets slots instead.
  349. Kev But if Board does find suitable admins I'll work with them.
  350. nyco let's try before abandoning
  351. Kev I have to run now, feel free to pull me in at another time.
  352. MattJ I think it's unlikely at this point
  353. MattJ Thanks Kev
  354. Martin Thanks Kev
  355. Guus nyco, we pretty much have to deside today
  356. Guus thanks Kev
  357. Kev I'll be back here in 90 or so.
  358. Guus MattJ, what is unlikely?
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  360. MattJ Getting volunteer admins and them performing the required actions in advance of the deadline
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  363. MattJ and iirc at least some initial project ideas are required in advance of the deadline also
  364. Guus right.
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  367. Guus I think it's doable, but if it's unclear if there's interest in joining under our umbrella, we might not want to bother this year.
  368. Guus From an IgniteRealtime perspective, I'm also fine with doing this using IgniteRealtime as a GSoC org.
  369. Guus I'm personally primarily trying to avoid doing both...
  370. MattJ Sensible :)
  371. Kev (Just ran back to say - even if we did decide today to do it, the odds of getting the ideas page in shape before the deadline are very limited. And I think we should not put in a half-arsed application)
  372. Guus I motion that we do _not_ apply as a GSoC umbrella organisation this year.
  373. nyco I'm sad, but I have to admit it
  374. Martin I agree with Kev, and the motion
  375. MattJ Guus, seconded
  376. Guus 3.2 - Summit/FOSDEM
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  378. Guus although listed under 'decisions' I don't think that there's any descions for board to make?
  379. MattJ Not that I'm aware of
  380. nyco let's archive the card then
  381. nyco GSoC as well
  382. Guus As SCAM, I can report that preparations are under way. There now have been 20 people that signed up to attend the summit. Cisco has agreed to act as the venue again. We have the realtime lounge again at FOSDEM.
  383. Guus the only thing that we're missing is sponsoring. So far, we have one sponsor (for transportation of items to/from fosdem)
  384. Guus Nyco, before we do - I'd like to discuss a bit on the finances.
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  387. Guus although XSF can cover the expenses, I'd really like to be able to raise money too - otherwise, our bank account will drain rapidly.
  388. MattJ Agreed
  389. Guus How did we do this before?
  390. nyco asked each company involved
  391. MattJ We didn't do it before (very well)
  392. MattJ Last year I agreed to seek sponsorship, but to the best of my knowledge we still haven't collected any money from most of them
  393. MattJ and of those I spoke to, that has been true in previous years also (to the extent that they questioned why they were even being asked)
  394. Guus As in, they agreed to sponsor, but we never billed them?
  395. MattJ Correct
  396. MattJ which is why I declined to volunteer for this role again, until we can solve this problem
  397. Guus meeting time is over - can we take this to a mail discussion, perhaps involve Peter?
  398. MattJ and it's a problem we really need to solve, or there is going to be a problem with the XSF funding anything
  399. MattJ Sure
  400. Guus I agree - it's silly to put in effort to find sponsors, but not actually obtain resources from them.
  401. Guus right - we're out of time for today
  402. MattJ So... I'll write up minutes for this week + last week + I'll start an email thread about fundraising
  403. nyco ok, thx
  404. Guus Any Other Business?
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  407. nyco nope
  408. Guus Date time of next, +1w ?
  409. nyco yes
  410. Martin +1w is fine with me
  411. MattJ wfm too
  412. Guus bangs gavel
  413. Guus thank you, gentlemen.
  414. Martin Thanks Guus
  415. nyco thx all
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  442. Kev > Last year I agreed to seek sponsorship, but to the best of my knowledge we still haven't collected any money from most of them That's true for us, I think, but we (Isode) also covered the expenses for our people who paid for things that the XSF should have covered (taxis etc.), so I think we've inadvertently paid our sponsorship more or less.
  443. Guus Thanks, Kev / Isode.
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  480. Flow I didn't participate in the weekly GSOC XSF meetings because I found it unecessary and counterproductive FWIW. And from the backlogs I read of those meetings I can't tell why everyone should meet every week. It just drained time resources from mentors and students, who will meet regulary anyways.
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