jonasw: "ERROR: entry 'UWPX': should be placed behind 'Zom' (all entries must be ordered alphabetically by case-folded name)"
Guus
U > Z ?
Guus
https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/396
jonasw
fascinating
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intosi
You write Zom, but it's probably pronounced as Aaahhh.
Guus
and Jonas' parser picks up on that? Impressive.
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Kev
Do you have a better explanation?
jonasw
I for sure don’t
Guus
Leprechauns.
jonasw
no unicode magic going on here
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Guus
I think it's just the error message being wrong
Guus
as in the commit, UWPX was placed after Zom
jonasw
yeah, but why
jonasw
I don’t understand that
jonasw
ah
jonasw
wait
Guus
I thnk you just mistyped the error message?
jonasw
yeah
jonasw
that makes sense
jonasw
yeah
jonasw
thanks
jonasw
that would’ve taken a while to figure out
jonasw
made a PR, waiting to see if CI passes on it
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tx
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jonasw
Guus, "feature complete" is a can of worms.
jonasw
Is dino feature complete?
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Guus
"not alpha"
Guus
I've reworded it as "non-complete"
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Guus
board meeting time
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Guus
who's here?
Martin
I’m here
Martin
(Though I’m on a train, so may lose coverage randomly, apologies in advance)
MattJ
Here
Guus
ralphm sends apologies.
Guus
nyco?
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Guus
with Ralph missing, who wants to act as chair?
Guus
shall I give it a try?
Martin
I’d offer, but I really don’t trust this connection, sorry
Martin
Please do Guus
MattJ
wfm, thanks Guus
Guusbangs gavel
Guus
the agenda, as usual, is in https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
Guus
does anyone want to add something last-minute?
Martin
Nothing from me
MattJ
Nor me
Guus
Would someone be so kind and take minutes?
MattJ
I can
Kev
I'll be vanishing in a couple of minutes, so I can't offer, sorry.
MattJ
I think we're also missing minutes from the last meeting - I can go back through the logs and write some up
Guus
thanks MattJ, Kev
Guus
MattJ, if you'd do that, that would be great, thanks!
MattJ
I don't recall what actions came out of the last meeting
Guus
nor do I - hopefully you'll find them in the log?
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Guus
I suggest that we work down the trello list, see what we come up with.
Guus
3. Topics for decisions
Guus
first item there is Summit / FOSDEM
Kev
Unless anything involves me, in which case pop it to the top please. I ran out of the meeting last week just as I was being spoken to.
Guus
let's first do GSoC then
Guus
as you're more likely to have something to say on that, I think.
Kev
Stranger things have happened.
Guus
GSoC: the deadline for registration (as an organisation) is upon us (Jan 23rd)
Guus
Do we want to participate as an umbrella org again, like previous years?
Kev
I think it's nice when we do. Although there is plenty of precedent for us taking years off when we've not had the personpower.
Kev
I can't put the time in to more-or-less solo-admin, this year.
Kev
If there's one, or ideally two, other people who're willing to admin (and likely not mentor), I'm happy to assist them as long as they're willing to do the legwork.
Guus
Flow offered to act as an org admin, provided that he can also be a mentor.
nyco
here, sorry
Kev
That seems like a Bad Idea for a first-time admin.
nyco
yes for GSoC
Kev
Even as a not-first-time-admin, I've taken to not doing both because the time involved gets silly.
MattJ
Kev, how much time is involved?
Kev
MattJ: Assume it's about the same as mentoring, so allow an hour a day or so, but on a good year it'll be much less.
Kev
It's much more front-loaded than mentoring, though, with preparing the wiki page and the application and stuff.
Kev
Day-to-day, it's mostly just keeping on top of the students and the mentors, making sure everyone turns up to the meetings, running the meetings, etc.
Kev
And with no disrepsect to Flo, he was usually too busy (I assume) to turn up to the meetings last year. So if he couldn't manage to turn up as a mentor, assuming he'd be able to manage it as an admin seems over-optimistic.
nyco
Flow would be good, can be a mentor as well, depending on his capacity to invest time
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MattJ
I think we should put out a more explicit request for volunteers
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nyco
sure, but that would be sad to miss this
Kev
I think just getting volunteers might lead to a case of people volunteering, and not being suitable for it, which is a danger.
MattJ
I think it would be good to participate in GSoC if we can, and I think we need Kev to assist if possible
Guus
whatever we do, we must do so in a matter of days.
MattJ
That is true
Kev
It would be better to miss a year, than to do a year badly and damage our (good!) reputation with google.
Guus
do we have interest from orgs to be in gsoc under the XSF umbrella?
MattJ
Have we had any explicit interest from projects?
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Guus
I know that Ignite wants to do GSoC, but also considers running as its own Org (that's what Flow suggested initially - as I'm in both orgs .... )
Kev
None of which I'm aware.
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Kev
At this point, I think I would suggest just skipping a year, as we've done in the past, based on this. Some other org gets slots instead.
Kev
But if Board does find suitable admins I'll work with them.
nyco
let's try before abandoning
Kev
I have to run now, feel free to pull me in at another time.
MattJ
I think it's unlikely at this point
MattJ
Thanks Kev
Martin
Thanks Kev
Guus
nyco, we pretty much have to deside today
Guus
thanks Kev
Kev
I'll be back here in 90 or so.
Guus
MattJ, what is unlikely?
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MattJ
Getting volunteer admins and them performing the required actions in advance of the deadline
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MattJ
and iirc at least some initial project ideas are required in advance of the deadline also
Guus
right.
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Guus
I think it's doable, but if it's unclear if there's interest in joining under our umbrella, we might not want to bother this year.
Guus
From an IgniteRealtime perspective, I'm also fine with doing this using IgniteRealtime as a GSoC org.
Guus
I'm personally primarily trying to avoid doing both...
MattJ
Sensible :)
Kev
(Just ran back to say - even if we did decide today to do it, the odds of getting the ideas page in shape before the deadline are very limited. And I think we should not put in a half-arsed application)
Guus
I motion that we do _not_ apply as a GSoC umbrella organisation this year.
nyco
I'm sad, but I have to admit it
Martin
I agree with Kev, and the motion
MattJ
Guus, seconded
Guus
3.2 - Summit/FOSDEM
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Guus
although listed under 'decisions' I don't think that there's any descions for board to make?
MattJ
Not that I'm aware of
nyco
let's archive the card then
nyco
GSoC as well
Guus
As SCAM, I can report that preparations are under way. There now have been 20 people that signed up to attend the summit. Cisco has agreed to act as the venue again. We have the realtime lounge again at FOSDEM.
Guus
the only thing that we're missing is sponsoring. So far, we have one sponsor (for transportation of items to/from fosdem)
Guus
Nyco, before we do - I'd like to discuss a bit on the finances.
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Guus
although XSF can cover the expenses, I'd really like to be able to raise money too - otherwise, our bank account will drain rapidly.
MattJ
Agreed
Guus
How did we do this before?
nyco
asked each company involved
MattJ
We didn't do it before (very well)
MattJ
Last year I agreed to seek sponsorship, but to the best of my knowledge we still haven't collected any money from most of them
MattJ
and of those I spoke to, that has been true in previous years also (to the extent that they questioned why they were even being asked)
Guus
As in, they agreed to sponsor, but we never billed them?
MattJ
Correct
MattJ
which is why I declined to volunteer for this role again, until we can solve this problem
Guus
meeting time is over - can we take this to a mail discussion, perhaps involve Peter?
MattJ
and it's a problem we really need to solve, or there is going to be a problem with the XSF funding anything
MattJ
Sure
Guus
I agree - it's silly to put in effort to find sponsors, but not actually obtain resources from them.
Guus
right - we're out of time for today
MattJ
So... I'll write up minutes for this week + last week + I'll start an email thread about fundraising
nyco
ok, thx
Guus
Any Other Business?
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nyco
nope
Guus
Date time of next, +1w ?
nyco
yes
Martin
+1w is fine with me
MattJ
wfm too
Guusbangs gavel
Guus
thank you, gentlemen.
Martin
Thanks Guus
nyco
thx all
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Kev
> Last year I agreed to seek sponsorship, but to the best of my knowledge we still haven't collected any money from most of them
That's true for us, I think, but we (Isode) also covered the expenses for our people who paid for things that the XSF should have covered (taxis etc.), so I think we've inadvertently paid our sponsorship more or less.
Guus
Thanks, Kev / Isode.
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Flow
I didn't participate in the weekly GSOC XSF meetings because I found it unecessary and counterproductive FWIW. And from the backlogs I read of those meetings I can't tell why everyone should meet every week. It just drained time resources from mentors and students, who will meet regulary anyways.