XSF Discussion - 2018-01-23

Oh, reading that email from Jitsi is sad

Assuming I'm not the only one that didn't get that, do you have a link?

About 12 lines up.

23:11:10 edhelas> http://lists.jitsi.org/pipermail/dev/2018-January/036563.html nice <3 is it that one?

Ah yes, that's sad. Thank you.

It was swamped out by a rather unhelpful flurry of leave/join messages.

"12 lines" is very relative in a MUC with partially shared history and client-defined display of status changes.

Link Mauve, You might want to talk with Guus, who's been doing a lot of work on ofMeet (which is - sort of - embedded JitsiMeet in Openfire). I'd love to see good interop here, and I'm also kicking about JitsiMeet at work.

Would be super cool to have it, a feature that is frequently asked for on clients

Dave Cridland, indeed, but I mostly didn’t start the RE part on their protocols yet, so I don’t have much to talk about.

My main usecase would be to bring jitsi-videobridge support to the Gstreamer-based clients, to allow interoperability with WebRTC-based ones.

I'm just popping in as my name is mentioned. OFMeet _is_ Jitsi Meet embedded in Openfire (combined with the JVB).

We did talk about that last year. ^^

That outreachy mail sounds interesting

Dave Cridland, regarding that email, I'd be interested to know what web interfaces for MUC you're referring to, and if they're libre and still maintained

(I know a few, I was just surprised by the "*lots*")

jonasw, Am I right in thinking there's nothing new for the Council this week?

jonasw, I feel I'm almost certainly missing something.

Dave Cridland, you didn’t process the thing I sent you last week

my MUC PR

otherwise, I don’t thnik there is. the week has been dominated by the compliance suites discussion

re suites by the way: I’m not sure what he process is, but if council has the power and wants to exert it, I’m happy to take ownership for XEP-0387; I’ll also state right here that I’m fine with having Kevs PR merged.

Dave Cridland: I'd like to make some progress on user-invite protoXEP, but that requires action from a different Council member, and you are already hunting us in a positive way.

jonasw, Cool. I'm not even sure I know what the process is. Kev might. I think there may even not be any process as such.

Ge0rG, I'm definitely having a voting update. But Client Key and TOTP expire tomorrow, so that's something.

I don't believe, offhand, that there is a process for getting a Rejected XEP back.

Dave Cridland: yes, you are right. I'll have to wait another week. Or we need to ping daniel.

Kev: does it need to have a process? Can't we as council just move it forward?

Insistence on process was exactly why we got into the messy position we are in now.

No, really not.

If we insisted on process, Council wouldn't have voted.

So if jonasw takes up 387, merges the PR before tomorrow's meeting and we all vote on advancing it.

...won't the world become a better place then?

Ge0rG, I’m not sure if council needs to allow me to do that

but if it does, we can have the merge happen before the meeting is over ;-)

maybe; I’ll be at work tomorrow

Kev: I'm not quite sure what your point is, or even whether it contradicts my point.

Kev, I would note that it couldn't be rejected in the first place without a vote. XEP-0001 is fairly clear on that IIRC.

Kev, I was thinking the change of author.

Oh, I don't think we actually need a process for that. Sam wants to not be author, Jonas wants to be author, we just need a PR.

well, if that’s all we need, I can fix that

> [Council members] don't take a dump, son, without a plan.

spam?

Dave Cridland, Kev, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/576

👍

> I'd like to make some progress on user-invite protoXEP Is there any code yet? The author said he is working on prototype, but I didn't see the PR so far 😀

zinid: feel free to write some, then

I don't even understand what this xep is about

Also, I usually don't touch xmpp part in ejabberd, lol

zinid: it's about making account onboarding easier

Not interested, I think it's useless, our audience is nerds, never gonna be changed

Nerds on low-latency links, yes.

True

But there is a bright side if you accept this: no need to bother on onboarding, easy xmpp and stuff like that, just concentrate on really fun stuff - omemo, Tor, encrypted jingles and so on

zinid, Encrypt all the things?

Dave Cridland, sure

Dave Cridland, because why not? :)