XSF Discussion - 2018-02-05

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10:52:28 marc Ge0rG: anything new regarding protoXEP?
10:56:22 Ge0rG hi marc! We got it in, as XEP-0401
10:56:40 Ge0rG marc: I've asked for feedback from the standards@ ML regarding the IBR extension, but got not much so far
10:56:51 Ge0rG marc: people would prefer a data form :(
10:58:24 marc Wow, cool. A data form instead of an ad-hoc command?
10:58:54 Ge0rG marc: a data form instead of a new IBR element.
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10:59:12 Ge0rG marc: for the actual account registration, not for requesting the account
10:59:35 marc Okay, so that's what I used in the first place :D
11:00:03 marc Not a big problem IMO
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11:20:01 Ge0rG I don't like it because it requires more complicated logic to figure out how to map fields to your client UI
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11:25:27 marc Why? The field has a name and the names are defined in the XEP, no?
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11:27:30 Zash If you do it like in MAM with a basic set of predefined fields?
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11:53:50 Ge0rG Zash: even then, I end up comparing a list of my own UI elements to a list of server-side form fields, with a need to fall back to a data form UI when a mismatch is found
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11:54:40 jonasw Ge0rG, I don’t see the point; if you don’t want to support data forms, only support that specific setup of data forms and treat it as if IBR wasn’t supported at all/didn’t work otherwise.
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11:55:25 jonasw also, Ge0rG: A host MUST NOT add new fields to the 'jabber:iq:register' namespace; instead, extensibility SHOULD be pursued via the Data Forms protocol as specified herein.
11:55:30 jonasw (from XEP-0077)
11:56:32 Ge0rG jonasw: you can override MUST NOT with another XEP
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11:57:26 jonasw ugh
11:58:53 Ge0rG jonasw: the problem is to detect whether this is the "that specific setup of data forms"
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11:59:36 jonasw FORM_TYPE would tell you
11:59:57 jonasw ~~I don’t see a problem at all. compare form_type, compare set of var values, if they don’t match your expectations, afil~~ ✎
12:00:00 jonasw I don’t see a problem at all. compare form_type, compare set of var values, if they don’t match your expectations, fail ✏
12:01:07 Ge0rG jonasw: how will FORM_TYPE tell me? It will be just `jabber🇮🇶register`
12:01:19 jonasw that’s a start
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12:03:32 pep. rrr smileys. Ge0rG I assume you meant `jabber:iq:register`
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12:26:04 Ge0rG pep.: yes, indeed. I need to fix that script finally
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14:42:05 edhelas https://github.com/henry-luo/mark
14:42:31 Zash no
14:47:48 edhelas Zash you're so focused on the past
14:47:57 Zash no
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15:03:12 jonasw search for namespace didn’t yield anything
15:03:13 jonasw doomed
15:03:36 Zash Looked like HTML with {} instead of <>
15:03:42 Zash Meh
15:03:51 Zash Relevance to XMPP: Can't see any
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15:29:55 moparisthebest yes that's exactly what we need, one new standard to replace all the existing ones https://xkcd.com/927/
15:30:08 Zash It wont
15:30:09 Guus obligatory
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16:07:14 ralphm yaml adoption is limited, haha
16:08:05 Zash didn't toml come to replace yaml?
16:08:41 moparisthebest I also enjoy how it has downsides to json like 'not as widely supported as json' but no downsides to xml
16:08:49 moparisthebest I guess it's as widely supported as XML ?
16:11:27 Ge0rG XML, the configuration file format from hell
16:13:20 Zash Also, meh, I have Lua table notation. I don't need no JSON-XML hybrid
16:20:12 Zash Good luck inventing a format for everything that doesn't suck at everything.
16:22:00 edhelas https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0239.html cover pretty much all the cases
16:23:06 Zash Perfection
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