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intosi
We lost a few more things in /extensions, such as e.g. gps_datum.html (referenced from XEP-0080)
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intosi
I'm not quite sure where we should put such files.
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intosi
Being in /extensions, the xeps repo would be a logical choice, but it feels a little like pollution as well.
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intosi
If anyone cares to review my minor change to the xeps repo, that would be so kind: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/584
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jonasw
intosi: editors are going to do a batch of work done tonight. if its fine, we'll take care of it then
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intosi
FWIW, it's only adding building of refs to the Dockerfile, not editorial work really.
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intosi
But tonight is fine.
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Ge0rG
vanitasvitae: so you implemented 0392 in Java? https://github.com/pfleidi/yaxim/blob/master/src/org/yaxim/androidclient/util/XEP0392Helper.java
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vanitasvitae
Ge0rG: yep
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vanitasvitae
I'm still missing the mix-colors part and the inversion stuff
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Ge0rG
vanitasvitae: feel free to steal from me, whatever you need
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Ge0rG
vanitasvitae: should've asked before :D
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vanitasvitae
Ge0rG: nah, I like the challenge
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vanitasvitae
Also the GPL is incompatible to Apache2 ;)
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Flow
well if the copyright holder gives you the permission to use his code under a different licence, then it is fine
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zinid
`static final double`
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jonasw
pep., I also thought about the white-male-thing when remotely participating. I have no idea how to fix that though.
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Ge0rG
jonasw: apply a color filter to the webex video stream.
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jonasw
given that the IM mission is kinda bringing *people* together, I’m not sure if or if not the (however true it may be) "women prefer 'people' over 'gadgets'" argument should be applicable to the situation. It could be very applicable, because communication is very much about people, but on the other hand, the XSF is a technical standards organization. The potential JSF would probably be more the realm of people who care about the effects of IM more than the means.
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jonasw
also, disclaimer: if I make statements anyone finds offensive, *please* point it out to me, publicly or private.
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zinid
what was that about? I'm lost
- zinid is reading the spam manifesto
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pep.
zinid: the paste I linked yesterday
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zinid
pep., ah, ok
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Ge0rG
Wow. What the f***ing f***! Four server admins signed in the last 4 hours.
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zinid
is it too much or too little?
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Ge0rG
zinid: I'm amazed!
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SaltyBones
signed in where?
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zinid
SaltyBones, https://github.com/ge0rg/jabber-spam-fighting-manifesto
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zinid
Ge0rG, I asked current jabber.ru admin, he should sign soon too
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Ge0rG
zinid: thanks very much!
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SaltyBones
Hm. I am unhappy about the Tor discrimination.
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SaltyBones
I would prefer if this said everybody has to fill out a captcha and not discriminate.
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Ge0rG
SaltyBones: I'm unhappy with it too. Do you have a really better proposal?
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SaltyBones
What's wrong with captchas?
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Ge0rG
SaltyBones: what's *not* wrong with captchas?
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SaltyBones
They work?
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zinid
Ge0rG, maybe write something like "care should be taken for Tor exit nodes" or something like that✎ -
zinid
Ge0rG, maybe write something like "care should be taken for Tor exit nodes" ✏
- zinid not a big fan of Tor though
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Ge0rG
zinid: "Monitor or block registrations from IP addresses with bad reputation (open proxy servers, Tor exit nodes)" means the same as what you wrote.
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zinid
Ah,
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zinid
ok, then I don't see the problem
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Ge0rG
zinid: did you read the manifesto? ;)
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zinid
Ge0rG, yeah, I just trusted SaltyBones :) I don't remember it word by word
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SaltyBones
Well, I think this encourages blocking of Tor...
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zinid
and I don't see discrimination in this case: when we say that care should be taken when using knife we don't discriminate knives
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SaltyBones
It says "monitor or block" . . . . . . or do something else
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SaltyBones
And I think monitoring and blocking are shitty and I only want the something else. :)
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Ge0rG
SaltyBones: 99% of logins from Tor are spammers. 5% from non-Tor are spammers. What now?
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zinid
I banned all exit nodes on jabber.ru (when I used to be an admin there)
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zinid
just spam and flood
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zinid
those, who want to stay anonymous should buy 5$ service like digitalocean
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Ge0rG
zinid: you can't buy things anonymously
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SaltyBones
Just say "ask for captchas or similar" and leave out the part where you suggest blocking exit nodes per se.
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zinid
Ge0rG, you cannot use internet anonymously
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Seve/SouL
Well, you can always use your neighbour's wifi :D
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SaltyBones
As an occasional Tor user I can tell you that it makes Tor a lot less valuable if it gets blocked everywhere and I think Tor goes a long way towards online anonymity.
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zinid
Seve/SouL, then you don't need Tor ;)
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vanitasvitae
I'd prefer something like "apply stricter spam rule on tor users"
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Ge0rG
vanitasvitae: isn't that what the manifesto says?
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SaltyBones
Ge0rG, just leave out the part about blocking
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zinid
drama :)
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SaltyBones
No drama, just discussing
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Ge0rG
-* Monitor or block registrations from IP addresses with bad reputation +* Monitor and review registrations from IP addresses with bad reputation
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zinid
"Monitor and review" are virtually the same actions /bikeshedding
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Seve/SouL
Ge0rG, why not Monitor and take corresponding actions?
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Seve/SouL
Well, whatever.
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Ge0rG
zinid: monitoring is often an automatic process, but review is manual
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zinid
Ge0rG, as you wish
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mathieui
11:53:27 SaltyBones> As an occasional Tor user I can tell you that it makes Tor a lot less valuable if it gets blocked everywhere and I think Tor goes a long way towards online anonymity. → as an occasional tor user, and a relay operator, but also an XMPP server operator, I think blocking registrations from tor is often necessary
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SaltyBones
Or to stick with Georg's presentation: general message routing doom :)
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Ge0rG
XMPP doom!
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edhelas
Doom Over XMPP
- Ge0rG was slightly motivated to post an XHTML-IM picture of a libcaca output of Doom I
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edhelas
XHTML-IM is so 2017
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Ge0rG
Doom I is so 1993.
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jonasw
I played Doom I a bit on a portable audio player from 2004.
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edhelas
jonasw Rockbox :p
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jonasw
edhelas, exactly.
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edhelas
http://cdn.instructables.com/FZQ/U0RN/FAKWPHHK/FZQU0RNFAKWPHHK.MEDIUM.jpg
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Ge0rG
I played Monkey Island II on an Xbox 1, when it was still cool.
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jonasw
daniel, okay, so I probably wasn’t there: *my* client would do weird things at least :D
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jonasw
(I’m pretty sure)
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jonasw
(but that can be fixed)
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jonasw
(re vcard presence avatar muc room thing)
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daniel
oh really? weird
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zinid
lol
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zinid
anyway, I will check briefly some clients against ejabberd before commiting
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jonasw
let’s give it a test…
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jonasw
oh wait
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jonasw
if the presence does *not* contain a MUC User element, we’re fine
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jonasw
and I don’t see a reason why it should
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jonasw
so that’s probably fine
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daniel
what happens though?
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daniel
will it create a user with a null username?
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jonasw
no
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jonasw
if it doesn’t contain a <x xmlns="that muc user namespace"/> thing, it is ignored entirely
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jonasw
(it’ll probably log something about an unhandled presence, at worst)
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daniel
i meant if it would include that tag
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jonasw
oh, that would probably lead to quite a bit of breakage
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jonasw
either null user name, or some crash
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daniel
i see.
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daniel
probably fix that no matter what :-)
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jonasw
the MUC code itself would probably deal with it just fine, but everything which expects a string for a nickname down the stream/road would be... surprised
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jonasw
yeah, explicitly ignoring bare-JID presences for occupant handling is probably a good idea.
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jonasw
there you go: https://github.com/horazont/aioxmpp/commit/5df66eeafe24047d55d3d6b9b849538674f121e5
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pep.
Ge0rG, SaltyBones, fwiw, I was talking with a freenode person at fosdem, and she said they were trying to study the "tor issue". ATM they allow tor users if they register first, with registration not via tor iiuc (which defeats the point of tor). She told me they were discussing with tor people to look for ways to solve this
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Ge0rG
pep.: I'm sure there is no solution to this problem.
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pep.
Yeah I'm not really optimistic either
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SaltyBones
...captchas? :)
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Ge0rG
stfupchas.
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SaltyBones
Be nice!
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SaltyBones
Seriously, what's wrong with captchas?
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jonasw
they don’t work
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jonasw
they are an additional step, which always sucks when competing with WhatsDown
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SaltyBones
Don't work how?
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jonasw
they are not efficient is what I meant to say
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pep.
SaltyBones, not fond of captchas either, or rather, google-owned captchas, which is the biggest implementation out there. (And probably not any other third-party owned impl. either anyway)
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jonasw
and they are a problem with accessibility
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Ge0rG
SaltyBones: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2017/11/captchas-dont-prove-youre-human-they-prove-youre-american/
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pep.
Also often out-of-band, which is annoying
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SaltyBones
Their whole point is to be non-efficient and if you want to compete with whatsapp you can just use phone authentication but freenode via tor is a different use case.
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jonasw
SaltyBones, no, with efficient I mean efficient at blocking spam
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jonasw
or abuse in general
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jonasw
when considering the cost to UX and accessibility
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jonasw
(or, if you’re using google, data privacy)
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SaltyBones
Yes, but if I want to use Tor from freenode I would rather fill out captchas for 3 minutes instead of just being told "no".
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SaltyBones
Actually if you use Tor you get so many captchas you probably spend more than 10 minutes a day on it. :p
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pep.
I'd prefer they came up with another solution
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SaltyBones
pep., So would I but I would prefer this solution to statements like "a solution does not exist". :)
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pep.
Maybe easy to deploy but as jonasw said, and I as well, it breaks lots of things
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SaltyBones
It doesn't break them more than breaking them on purpose though...
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pep.
sorry I didn't catch this
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SaltyBones
I mean I currently cannot access freenode from my Tor VM, which is more broken than a captcha.
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zinid
> Actually if you use Tor you get so many captchas you probably spend more than 10 minutes a day on it. :p True. I once tried to use Tor and it was funny experience, never want to repeat it again 😁
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SaltyBones
Yeah, it's awful...
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SaltyBones
That's why they distribute these "f*ck cloudflare" stickers. ;)
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Ge0rG
SaltyBones: I can understand the position cloudflare is taking.
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SaltyBones
sure, I can too :)
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SamWhited
I do not speak for the company, etc. But for what it's worth they have tried really hard to ensure Tor users had a good experience by trying to get buy in from the IETF and W3C on a standard thing that could be done instead. There's an open source extension that implements it and bypasses the captchas.
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SamWhited
https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-supports-privacy-pass/
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SaltyBones
:o
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SaltyBones
I will have to try this.
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jonasw
I’ll first try to figure out how that works
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jonasw
"magically identifies you without enabling tracking" sounds too good to be true
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SaltyBones
Anyway, yes that's another way to solve the problem. just pay in proof-of-work would also be one.
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SaltyBones
jonasw, it's pretty straightforward crypto magic ;)
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Ge0rG
SaltyBones: pay in proof-of-work is still not a solution to the spam problem.
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jonasw
https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt
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SaltyBones
Ge0rG, depends I would say
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Ge0rG
SaltyBones: nope.
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Ge0rG
SaltyBones: the efficiency difference in PoW between mobile clients and custom ASICs is so horribly high, you can't make any sensible abuse-prevention scheme on top
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SaltyBones
That's not true. There are plenty of memory-hard hashes that are hard to do in cheap ASICs and even if you assume that they exist you have to consider the expected worth of sending a message which is painfully low for most spam schemes.
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jonasw
even the difference between a desktop/server CPU and a mobile CPU is enough to make it break, I think
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jonasw
also, memory-hard on mobile won’t fly either, SaltyBones
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jonasw
(for certain values of "memory-hard")
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Ge0rG
scrypt is a memory-hard PoW scheme and there are ASICs for it.
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jonasw
(but those values might be lower for ASICs than for mobile CPUs; GPUs and mobile CPUs is a different story though, now that we’ve reached GPUs with several GiB of memory)
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SaltyBones
I don't want to play devil's advocate, I generally agree with you.
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Ge0rG
SaltyBones: when doing PoW on my smartphone, I'm manually implementing things in Java bytecode.
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jonasw
why would you do that in java bytecode?
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SaltyBones
I'm just saying for many spam schemes the return on value is so low people wouldn't even bother implementing the PoW code. Maybe this assumption is wrong.
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jonasw
SaltyBones, "spamsolutions.txt" seems to suggest that you’re wrong, because one of the reasons is:> ( ) Extreme profitability of spam✎ -
jonasw
SaltyBones, "spamsolutions.txt" seems to suggest that you’re wrong, because one of the reasons is: > ( ) Extreme profitability of spam ✏
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Ge0rG
MR 20171128T16:55:45Z 000 <Ge0rG> Okay, just to get some numbers. "I managed to pull around 5.6KHash/sec on my Nexus 7 with all fou r threads." from https://rumorscity.com/2014/01/07/how-to-mine-litecoin-with-android/ MR 20171128T16:56:10Z 000 <Ge0rG> So we are at ~20 KHashes for a first-contact MR 20171128T17:01:02Z 000 <Ge0rG> you can rent 500MH/s for three hours for ~3USD. That accounts for 100 Millions spam messages. MR 20171128T17:01:26Z 000 <Ge0rG> if you price a single spam message at 20KH scrypt.
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jonasw
now I could sift through the spam I get to check how much they charge for 10k XMPP spam message to see if that works out ;-)
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Ge0rG
jonasw: 20$ for 100k JIDs or so.
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jonasw
so that’s probbaly well within their capabilities
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SaltyBones
TIL...
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SaltyBones
I guess I have underestimated the amount of morons who fall for spam by several orders of magnitude...
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jonasw
I also love the "philosophical objection": > ( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
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zinid
Ge0rG: where can I get paid for sending spam?
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zinid
Sounds interesting
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daniel
zinid: send spam advertising your services
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SaltyBones
INDEED :D
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Ge0rG
zinid: I'll tell you for 200$
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jonasw
ha
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SaltyBones
yeah, maybe it's a ponzi scheme
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SaltyBones
send spam for money to find customers who will pay you for sending spam
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jonasw
SaltyBones, actually, that’s what has been happening a few months ago for a few months, now they seem to have found customers who actually want to spam something >.>
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zinid
SaltyBones: blockchain 🤔
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jonasw
(aside from the carding spam which has been there forever)
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Ge0rG
SaltyBones: it kind of is. "we will scan your forum for jids for $20, and use those jids to send your spam"
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SaltyBones
zinid, it's about time we had a dedicated blockchain emoji ;)
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SaltyBones
⏹️⛓️
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jonasw
ha.
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daniel
SaltyBones: but with a zwj in between
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SaltyBones
ah what? O_o
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Ge0rG
a SJW.
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daniel
Unicode humor
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Ge0rG
or a jwz?
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SaltyBones
I don't get it. :(
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Ge0rG
SaltyBones: https://emojipedia.org/zero-width-joiner/
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daniel
My alternative carrier path is to remake the emoji movie with more weird unicode humor
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daniel
Fewer people will get it. But it will actually be funny
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jonasw
"career"?
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Ge0rG
daniel: did you actually watch that movie?
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daniel
That one
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daniel
> daniel: did you actually watch that movie? LOL no
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Ge0rG
Phew, I was worried for a moment.
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daniel
Apparently there is a joke about how there is no use case for the eggplant emoji. Which probably tells you a lot about the writers
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SaltyBones
Ge0rG, I'm having a seizure just reading this crap.
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jonasw
daniel, oh dear
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Ge0rG
SaltyBones: And it's not even the worst thing about Unicode Emoji.
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jonasw
I’m just sad that there’s no Hydnora visseri emoji. it’d go great with an eggplant.
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ralphm
While I'm around, I am still in a company meeting and might not be able to follow the discussion here.
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jonasw
ralphm, this discussion shoudl also probably be in the off-topic room, sorry.
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Ge0rG
daniel: you mean the aubergine emoji?
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nyco
and...
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nyco
bang?
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Ge0rG
SaltyBones: http://unicode.org/repos/cldr/trunk/specs/ldml/tr35-general.html#SynthesizingNames will make you puke without end.
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Guus
Time for a board meeting
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Guus
hi nyco
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nyco
hi Guus
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nyco
(got a stable network this time, we'll see with the clients)
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jonasw
right, board time
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Guus
Ralphm just mentioned he was busy-ish... Mattj announced that he was likely unavailable now. Martin?
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Guus
Martin appears offline to me
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nyco
wel...
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nyco
on my side, just about the board prios meeting, we finally chose not to do it around summit/fosdem
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nyco
I'll reschedule
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Guus
Thanks. As it's just you and me being active now, I propose that we skip this meeting, and try again next week.
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nyco
archiving: https://trello.com/c/vFYiyf9I/300-summit-sponsoring https://trello.com/c/8XwcLKzf/301-summit-dinner
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Dave Cridland
Martin's on unexpected childcare duty, sorry!
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nyco
thx Dave Cridland
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Guus
ah, ok. A random child, or his? ;)
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nyco
on the big things to do, we got the prios, but also funding/financing and survey
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nyco
also bus factor on bank account
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Guus
True, but I don't want to discuss that with just the two of us here.
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nyco
agree
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nyco
bye!
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nyco
thx
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Guus
see you next week :)
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Guus
I'll send off a quick mail for posterity
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nyco
Thx
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Dave Cridland
SamWhited, I think you meant XEP-0137 is Draft, not XEP-0159.
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SamWhited
err, oops, yes
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SamWhited
The council card is right anyways
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SamWhited
Unrelated, https://clojuriststogether.org/ just distributed its first funding round for Clojure projects that are important to the community. I wonder if a similar model would work for the XMPP community, or if we would never end up with enough people to make it sustainable.
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SamWhited
/cc Ge0rG
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Ge0rG
I had some trouble parsing that domain name into words.
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SamWhited
Still better than expertsexchange.com (which actually used to be their domain)
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Ge0rG
SamWhited: it looks like a nice thing, and I'd love to direct some money in the direction of JC (and then to you for auditing it ;))
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SamWhited
I do not have the qualifications to reasonably audit code, but thanks for your confidence :)
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SamWhited
They appear to be working with an existing non-profit so that people can make donations tax deductable without them having to do all the paperwork and legal nonsense, that's rather nice.
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Ge0rG
SamWhited: but you have the qualifications to find XSS, which is a good first step
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SamWhited
"qualifications" == "basic testing"
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Ge0rG
SamWhited: is that a non-profit we can apply at as well?
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SamWhited
or "copy-pasting"
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Ge0rG
JabberistsTogether.com now!
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SamWhited
Ge0rG: the SFC; alternatively, it could be under the XSF umbrella presumably
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Zash
Go for it
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Ge0rG
SamWhited: the XSF barely has the time to do its own work.
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SamWhited
Ge0rG: it doesn't have to do anything but file taxes; the conservancy isn't doing work, just being the official business so that the fund can be tax exempt
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SamWhited
Although, I say that, presumably they have lawyers who know this stuff and we don't, so maybe something else would be better
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SamWhited
Anyways, it's an interesting structure and I think it's a cool idea… now someone else do it!
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Ge0rG
SamWhited: I have no strong opinions on that, just that I have zero knowledge of US-based non-profits
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jonasw
Ge0rG, to direct money to JC, you can simply use liberapay or patreon, as we learned yesterday or so
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Ge0rG
jonasw: but I want to direct other people's money
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jonasw
hah
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jonasw
I would want that too, but I’m not sure I’d be so selfless here ;-)
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zinid
Damn, I barely can follow the "manifesto discussion", yet, you guys are capable of writing a wall of text, lol
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Guus
just make everyone sign up and pledge 3$ / month
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Guus
it has to start somewhere, right?
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Guus
heck, let everyone pledge half the amount that they spend on <luxury item x> in the same period
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jonasw
Guus, okay, find an X and I’ll consider it
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Guus
jonasw: coffee? fastfood? games on your smartphone? candy?
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Zash
Obscure cheese only produced in a small village near where I live?
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jonasw
I don’t drink coffee, I avoid fastfood, I don’t have any paid apps on my smartphone. You might’ve got me with candy though.
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Guus
comics? board games? legos?
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jonasw
do components for hobbyprojects count?✎ -
Guus
movie tickets? concert tickets?
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jonasw
do components for hobby projects count? ✏
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Zash
Look at mr rich over here
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Guus
whatever you want counts :)
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jonasw
if so, I’m screwed ;-)
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Guus
I'm just trying to make the point that if you're happy to spend money on <luxury item x>, spending some of it on XMPP is probably OK for you too. If it's not, it's not - that's up to you - but this logic works for myself :)
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Ge0rG
a hobby is by definition something that can consume infinite money
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jonasw
Guus, I have a similar opinion in general, but I like to believe that due to my own contributions to XMPP software I’m exempt from that. You’re being a counter-example here and that’s making me uncomfortable ;-)
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zinid
Ge0rG, what if your job is your hobby? :)
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Zash
Then you are doomed
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jonasw
or lucky, depends.
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Ge0rG
zinid: it's not possible. it's a job if you end up with more money than before, and a hobby if it takes money
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jonasw
because then you’ve actually one of those rare hobbies which actually pay more than they cost you :<
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Guus
jonasw: it's really up to you, and no-one else- to tell you if you're comfortable with donating any amount of money or time.
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Zash
Ge0rG: Pretty sure the tax rules are more complicated than that
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Guus
I for one am insanely grateful for all the time that you're putting in.
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zinid
Ge0rG, ah, so this is a question of definition, ok
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jonasw
Guus, I know that, it just starts some thought process.
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Ge0rG
zinid: yes. In the end, you have a great job.
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Guus
jonasw, I'm personally trying to avoid to think along the lines of: "I'm doing this so that I don't have to do that", but rather "what type/amount of resources am I willing to spend on this?"
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jonasw
Guus, that makes sense
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jonasw
hm
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jonasw
speaking of things I do
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jonasw
I put some XEP into last call and forgot to send that email
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jonasw
I probably have to move the LC end date by a few days now
- Ge0rG urgently needs to update PARS
- Guus rides into the sunset (which sounds more romantic than "going to pick up the kids from daycare")
- Ge0rG does another half hour of web app pentesting.
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intosi
*cooks some Brussels sprouts*
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jonasw
cooking sounds like a great idea actually
-
intosi
Thought so :)
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Ge0rG
jonasw: Why another LC on 280?
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jonasw
Ge0rG, council switch
- Ge0rG -1s
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jonasw
feel free :D
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jonasw
I’m just the mechanic in this case
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edhelas
:)
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zinid
Ge0rG, so how will we blocklist spam servers?
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zinid
I like the idea of test day, so we probably need some mechanism by then
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Holger
blockchain
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Holger
(sorry)
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zinid
you're not serious :(
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Holger
IIRC jonasw suggested a DNS blacklist maintained by him and ... others.
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zinid
yeah, I heard about DNS blacklist, who will maintain it? :)
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zinid
probably "him and others" :)
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Holger
I think he was asking for volunteers but nobody responded.
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Holger
Not sure.
- Holger hands the microphone over to jonasw.
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jonasw
Holger: I will
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Ge0rG
zinid: prosody can firewall all traffic from a list of domains placed in a http or local text file.
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Ge0rG
zinid: tell me your domain and I'll blacklist you
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zinid
yeah, because local text files is a best source of distributed data
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zinid
Ge0rG, the domain is yax.im
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Zash
mod_firewall can fetch lists via http (periodically)
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zinid
Zash, these are details, the question is who will maintain the list?
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zinid
who will add entries?
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zinid
who will process deletion requests?
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Zash
Someone else™
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Zash
But in all seriousness, that's a thing that wound need figuring out
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zinid
we haven't figured out enough yet?
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Zash
I'm wondering if we could partner with any of the existing spam list orgs
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zinid
last time I operated an email server a decade ago, so I don't even know how it's done now and who manages that
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jonasw
Zash, spamhaus is doof, sorbs seem to be reasonable at least
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zinid
doof?
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Ge0rG
zinid: nice try.
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Zash
Department of ooooo fffff?
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jonasw
zinid, probably not an adjective which is used frequently by Till Lindemann. it means dumb or silly or something in that order.
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zinid
Ge0rG, you have more stars than signers btw
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Ge0rG
zinid: I feel like Donald Trump!
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Zash
Something something russian bots?
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Ge0rG
Zash: more stars than supporters
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Ge0rG
zinid: ping
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zinid
yeah, with some german bots
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zinid
.
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zinid
oh
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zinid
it works finally
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zinid
just was very slow
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jonasw
zinid, I starred, but I won’t sign, because I don’t operate a public server
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jonasw
I think that makes sense
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zinid
jonasw, yeah, me too
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zinid
I'm just joking
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zinid
ping
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zinid
what's wrong with this conference?
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jonasw
ping
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jonasw
what
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zinid
who's there?
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Zash
What the <--- jonasw has left the room (the MUC server is not responding)
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Zash
Bunneh: ping muc.xmpp.org
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Bunneh
Zash: Pong from muc.xmpp.org in 0.144 seconds
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jonasw
Zash, yeah, poezio wasn’t happy
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SamWhited
I sent a mail to the list with an inline image but it does not appear to have arrived. I don't see it in the pending moderation queue and it doesn't appear to match any of the content type rejection rules (it's just a png). Any idea where it might have gone?
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SamWhited
nevermind, just being *really* slow today.
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Zash
SamWhited: Hm, that graph could do with some colors on the nodes for states...