marc, do you intend to bring https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/585 to the standards@ list? Please comment with your intention so that I can move forward with the PR, thanks.
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jonasw, not really, I'm not on @standards
jonasw
marc, uh, can you join please?
jonasw
it is kind of expected of XEP authors
jonasw
that’s where comments on your XEP will usually be raised
marc
puh... GitHub account *and* joining a mailing list
marc
:D
jonasw
github is optional ;)
marc
haha
jonasw
(it just makes my life easier, but you can always mail PRs to editor@)
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jonasw, will do but tomorrow or on monday
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edhelas
dwd here ?
edhelas
would it be possible to update https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0376.html to make the subscription fit with the namespace here https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0330.html
edhelas
urn:xmpp:pubsub:subscription:0
jonasw
330 doesn’t use :0?
edhelas
0330 define :0
edhelas
I can also bump 0330 if you need it
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agh, right
jonasw
I also confused namespace and node
jonasw
I’m not awake yet
edhelas
ok
jonasw
I’m not sure what the benefit would be though
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> 21:31:53 mathieui> I still haven’t come up with a way of saying my nick in english non-awkwardly
how about "matthew"?
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mathieui
that’s more like an english translation of my name, and there’s MattJ
jonasw
yeah; french matthew? ;-)
jonasw
names are tricky
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Flow
It's such a pity that we don't have the htmldiffs on xep bumps any more :(
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rion
Is "4.6 Image Restrictions" of vcard-based avatars xep still valid in the world of retina displays?
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jonasw
flow, yes, but we also don’t have a way to work around that, given that htmldiff is really really inefficient
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how about starting htmldiff with a 5 min timeout?
jonasw
it won’t terminate on many XEPs
jonasw
and also iteam won’t agree to running this on the server.
jonasw
so we’d have to do some trickery, and since incremental builds with dockerhub do not work, I don’t see a viable way
flow
true, that's why I suggest using the timoout binary
flow
*timeout
flow
ahh, do we incrementally create the diffs, or all diffs every time?
jonasw
we don’t at all currently
jonasw
but I’m afraid that we would have to do the latter
flow
…
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What's an advisable namespace template for proprietary xmpp functionality?
jonasw
Guus, https://company.example/
flow
Guus, a URI you contral
jonasw
then whatever you like
jonasw
I personally do https://xmlns.zombofant.net/…
Guus
Is urn:xmpp: reserved?
jonasw
it belongs to the XSF afaik
flow
Guus, it's registered with the IANA
Guus
kk, uri it is
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you could of course also do urn:uuid:
flow
Guus, and I think you want URLs and not URNs
Guus
Pourquoi?
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Its not referencing a location, but it is an identifier. So a URI or URN, I'd say?
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I always get super-confused by those nuanced differences
flow
Guus, IIRC xml namespaces only allow URL
jonasw
[Definition: An XML namespace is identified by a URI reference [RFC3986]; element and attribute names may be placed in an XML namespace using the mechanisms described in this specification. ]
Guus
flow: surely not. We use urn:xmpp in xmpp
flow
Guus, that's not an indication that it's done right
Guus, bonus points if the URLs point to a schema or document describing what you’re doing :)
Seve
Does anyone know something about https://github.com/esl/MongooseIM/blob/inbox-proto-xep/doc/open-extensions/xeps/xep-inbox.html ? A XEP to know which was the last message you read and such. Or is it going to be just in Bind 2.0? https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0386.html#example-3
Seve
We discussed this at the Summit, but if someone could refresh my memory, please
jonasw
I guess this will in some way be in bind 2
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Seve
Hmm... My question is regarding this table: https://github.com/SeveFP/KDE_IM_Requirements/wiki/XMPP-Table
I would like to put something on "Remembers last-read position"
In Poezio you can leave the view on a certain position and continue reading later on, but if some XEP could assist this and say "Well, not now, but clients could implement it with XEP-0XXX"
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:)
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jonasw
Seve, that are chat markers
jonasw
I’d be surprised if poezio didn’t even emit them
mathieui
it doesn’t
jonasw
:(
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mathieui
(but I would consider poezio as not having the previously mentioned feature until we have real chat markers)
jonasw
Seve, the IRC bridges go the wrong way though
jonasw
with biboumi, IRC is still the "primary" medium of communication
Seve
It's because we had this discussion at Summit, so clients could know what you have read and such, and this would be multi device. That's why I liked to Michał Piotrowski's XEP (Inbox)
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Seve, for persistent public logging, research the prosody module which is used for xmpp.org and link to the logs of this channel
jonasw
(or something like that)
jonasw
http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2018-02-17/#17:11:58
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I think that’s this: https://modules.prosody.im/mod_muc_log_http.html
jonasw
but I’m not sure, ask in xmpp:prosody@conference.prosody.im?join
Firewall friendly: link to XEP-0368, or even https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368 ✏
jonasw
Seve, " Depends on the client. Psi and Gajim are able to do this.", this sounds as if ONLY Psi and Gajim can do it. add an "for example," :)
Seve
jonasw, Thanks!! Yes you are right, I'm just starting with it, any feedback is welcome please. I'm going to update it as soon as I get home!
jonasw
Seve, you’re welcome. that should be all of my feedback for now though :)
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Ge0rG
The nice thing about biboumi is that it allows multi client usage
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Ge0rG
Kind of like a bouncer.
Ge0rG
But yeah, the ideal solution would be an irc server interface exposed by a MUC.
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moparisthebest
Ge0rG, that's what this is https://github.com/moparisthebest/xmpp-ircd
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jonasw, sorry, I didn't understand you. Now, reading moparisthebest's comment, do you mean when they say 'IRC Bridge' they mean connect to XMPP from IRC?
moparisthebest
Well there are 2 different ways
moparisthebest
Biboumi let's you connect to an IRC server with an XMPP client
moparisthebest
The opposite is connecting to xmpp muc with an IRC client, that's my thing
moparisthebest
IRC bridge is ambiguous
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By the way, thanks for that, I will add it to the table if you don't mind! Pretty handy for this situation.
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Oh yea in terms of recommending xmpp mucs to KDE IRC bridge means xmpp-ircd
moparisthebest
Sorry I hadn't read backlog
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Seve
moparisthebest, my bad, I should have specified too
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moparisthebest
An interesting side effect to it that I didn't even plan is you can join from multiple IRC clients with the same Nick and it all just works
moparisthebest
As far as I know no other IRC server supports that
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moparisthebest: is there authentication in place
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Seve
moparisthebest, jonasw, then, from looking at the table, I should put xmpp-ircd in 'IRC Bridge' and biboume and spectrum in 'Popular bridges'?
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Ge0rG: no that's the part that is missing, like, nickserv at least, maybe chanserv
moparisthebest
Seve: still not exactly sure what they are after
moparisthebest
My thing is useful if they are hosting a muc, IRC users can join directly
moparisthebest
Biboumi is useful if they are giving out xmpp accounts
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moparisthebest: will it properly reflect message ids? 😀
Ge0rG: so being a component it knows there are no other clients, so it can just match the sending nick and ignore all
moparisthebest
Which I'm guessing it's what it does, been awhile, and I didn't write it all in the first place
Ge0rG
moparisthebest: sorry, I was still talking of your reverse gateway.
moparisthebest
Yes I am too
Ge0rG
I know that biboumi fails hard on reflection
Ge0rG
moparisthebest: then I don't understand what you mean. Maybe it's just too late, I will try on Monday
moparisthebest
Biboumi is a muc though, my thing just uses mucs
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moparisthebest
Ge0rG: If you are guaranteed no other clients are connected to the same account on a muc you don't have to worry about matching
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moparisthebest [20:58]:
> An interesting side effect to it that I didn't even plan is you can join from multiple IRC clients with the same Nick and it all just works
That just doesn't fit with what you just said
moparisthebest
Ah yes so it must only display on recieve and never send
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Seve
Would you link to https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0372.html as the specification for 'Reply to (quote) messages with reference to the original message'?
Seve
Since it has a lot of TODOs, I'm not sure if I should.
Seve
Maybe that would scare more than make it interesting
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Kev
Link to in what context? References is the way to do that, yes.
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Kev
We'll be implementing some references stuff in Swift imminently.
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Seve
Kev, that's great to hear!
I'm just doing this: https://github.com/SeveFP/KDE_IM_Requirements/wiki/XMPP-Table (The original is here https://community.kde.org/IM_Survey_Results but I can't edit that, so I'm making it on my own on GitHub)
The sentence is from those requirements but from another place, where they are a bit more explained. In the table it just says 'Quotes' but I guess I should say references.
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Kev
And you've got 393 for just quote formatting.
SamWhited
The "TODO: define character appropriately" still seems like an important part missing from references; I probably wouldn't consider it fit for use until that's fixed.
Seve
Kev, yes, I wrote that, but I also wanted to specify that there's a XEP for referencing other messages, since I think is something expected. The XEP is still in need of some work, so I'm not sure if I should put it there, because the audience of that table I'm doing may or may not understand how the process work and will think I'm joking or something like that. I guess you get what I mean.
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Seve
SamWhited, thank you
Seve
SamWhited, by the way, I haven't replied yet, but thank you very much for your answer on the mailing list, very very good and helpful!
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Sure thing, I hope it ends up being useful. Their requirements list was a tad vague though, so maybe once they've tightened it up a bit we can help them.
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SamWhited, indeed. It seems that the table I'm filling, is based on https://sessellift.wordpress.com/2017/09/05/results-of-the-requirements-survey-for-a-kde-wide-chat-solution/
So I'm trying to match the requirements on the table with the ones on that blogpost.