jonaswmarc, do you intend to bring https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/585 to the standards@ list? Please comment with your intention so that I can move forward with the PR, thanks.
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marcjonasw, not really, I'm not on @standards
jonaswmarc, uh, can you join please?
jonaswit is kind of expected of XEP authors
jonaswthat’s where comments on your XEP will usually be raised
marcpuh... GitHub account *and* joining a mailing list
marc:D
jonaswgithub is optional ;)
marchaha
jonasw(it just makes my life easier, but you can always mail PRs to editor@)
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marcjonasw, will do but tomorrow or on monday
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edhelasdwd here ?
edhelaswould it be possible to update https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0376.html to make the subscription fit with the namespace here https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0330.html
edhelasurn:xmpp:pubsub:subscription:0
jonasw330 doesn’t use :0?
edhelas0330 define :0
edhelasI can also bump 0330 if you need it
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jonaswagh, right
jonaswI also confused namespace and node
jonaswI’m not awake yet
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jonaswI’m not sure what the benefit would be though
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jonasw> 21:31:53 mathieui> I still haven’t come up with a way of saying my nick in english non-awkwardly
how about "matthew"?
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mathieuithat’s more like an english translation of my name, and there’s MattJ
jonaswyeah; french matthew? ;-)
jonaswnames are tricky
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FlowIt's such a pity that we don't have the htmldiffs on xep bumps any more :(
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rionIs "4.6 Image Restrictions" of vcard-based avatars xep still valid in the world of retina displays?
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jonaswflow, yes, but we also don’t have a way to work around that, given that htmldiff is really really inefficient
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flowhow about starting htmldiff with a 5 min timeout?
jonaswit won’t terminate on many XEPs
jonaswand also iteam won’t agree to running this on the server.
jonaswso we’d have to do some trickery, and since incremental builds with dockerhub do not work, I don’t see a viable way
flowtrue, that's why I suggest using the timoout binary
flow*timeout
flowahh, do we incrementally create the diffs, or all diffs every time?
jonaswwe don’t at all currently
jonaswbut I’m afraid that we would have to do the latter
flow…
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GuusWhat's an advisable namespace template for proprietary xmpp functionality?
jonaswGuus, https://company.example/
flowGuus, a URI you contral
jonaswthen whatever you like
jonaswI personally do https://xmlns.zombofant.net/…
GuusIs urn:xmpp: reserved?
jonaswit belongs to the XSF afaik
flowGuus, it's registered with the IANA
Guuskk, uri it is
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jonaswyou could of course also do urn:uuid:
flowGuus, and I think you want URLs and not URNs
GuusPourquoi?
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GuusIts not referencing a location, but it is an identifier. So a URI or URN, I'd say?
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jonaswI always get super-confused by those nuanced differences
flowGuus, IIRC xml namespaces only allow URL
jonasw [Definition: An XML namespace is identified by a URI reference [RFC3986]; element and attribute names may be placed in an XML namespace using the mechanisms described in this specification. ]
Guusflow: surely not. We use urn:xmpp in xmpp
flowGuus, that's not an indication that it's done right
jonaswGuus, bonus points if the URLs point to a schema or document describing what you’re doing :)
SeveDoes anyone know something about https://github.com/esl/MongooseIM/blob/inbox-proto-xep/doc/open-extensions/xeps/xep-inbox.html ? A XEP to know which was the last message you read and such. Or is it going to be just in Bind 2.0? https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0386.html#example-3
SeveWe discussed this at the Summit, but if someone could refresh my memory, please
jonaswI guess this will in some way be in bind 2
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SeveHmm... My question is regarding this table: https://github.com/SeveFP/KDE_IM_Requirements/wiki/XMPP-Table
I would like to put something on "Remembers last-read position"
In Poezio you can leave the view on a certain position and continue reading later on, but if some XEP could assist this and say "Well, not now, but clients could implement it with XEP-0XXX"
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stoneturtle:)
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jonaswSeve, that are chat markers
jonaswI’d be surprised if poezio didn’t even emit them
mathieuiit doesn’t
jonasw:(
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mathieui(but I would consider poezio as not having the previously mentioned feature until we have real chat markers)
jonaswSeve, the IRC bridges go the wrong way though
jonaswwith biboumi, IRC is still the "primary" medium of communication
SeveIt's because we had this discussion at Summit, so clients could know what you have read and such, and this would be multi device. That's why I liked to Michał Piotrowski's XEP (Inbox)
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jonaswSeve, for persistent public logging, research the prosody module which is used for xmpp.org and link to the logs of this channel
jonaswFirewall friendly: link to XEP-0368, or even https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368 ✏
jonaswSeve, " Depends on the client. Psi and Gajim are able to do this.", this sounds as if ONLY Psi and Gajim can do it. add an "for example," :)
Sevejonasw, Thanks!! Yes you are right, I'm just starting with it, any feedback is welcome please. I'm going to update it as soon as I get home!
jonaswSeve, you’re welcome. that should be all of my feedback for now though :)
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Ge0rGThe nice thing about biboumi is that it allows multi client usage
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Ge0rGKind of like a bouncer.
Ge0rGBut yeah, the ideal solution would be an irc server interface exposed by a MUC.
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moparisthebestGe0rG, that's what this is https://github.com/moparisthebest/xmpp-ircd
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Sevejonasw, sorry, I didn't understand you. Now, reading moparisthebest's comment, do you mean when they say 'IRC Bridge' they mean connect to XMPP from IRC?
moparisthebestWell there are 2 different ways
moparisthebestBiboumi let's you connect to an IRC server with an XMPP client
moparisthebestThe opposite is connecting to xmpp muc with an IRC client, that's my thing
moparisthebestIRC bridge is ambiguous
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SeveBy the way, thanks for that, I will add it to the table if you don't mind! Pretty handy for this situation.
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moparisthebestOh yea in terms of recommending xmpp mucs to KDE IRC bridge means xmpp-ircd
moparisthebestSorry I hadn't read backlog
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Sevemoparisthebest, my bad, I should have specified too
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moparisthebestAn interesting side effect to it that I didn't even plan is you can join from multiple IRC clients with the same Nick and it all just works
moparisthebestAs far as I know no other IRC server supports that
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Ge0rGmoparisthebest: is there authentication in place
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Sevemoparisthebest, jonasw, then, from looking at the table, I should put xmpp-ircd in 'IRC Bridge' and biboume and spectrum in 'Popular bridges'?
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moparisthebestGe0rG: no that's the part that is missing, like, nickserv at least, maybe chanserv
moparisthebestSeve: still not exactly sure what they are after
moparisthebestMy thing is useful if they are hosting a muc, IRC users can join directly
moparisthebestBiboumi is useful if they are giving out xmpp accounts
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Ge0rGmoparisthebest: will it properly reflect message ids? 😀
moparisthebestGe0rG: so being a component it knows there are no other clients, so it can just match the sending nick and ignore all
moparisthebestWhich I'm guessing it's what it does, been awhile, and I didn't write it all in the first place
Ge0rGmoparisthebest: sorry, I was still talking of your reverse gateway.
moparisthebestYes I am too
Ge0rGI know that biboumi fails hard on reflection
Ge0rGmoparisthebest: then I don't understand what you mean. Maybe it's just too late, I will try on Monday
moparisthebestBiboumi is a muc though, my thing just uses mucs
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moparisthebestGe0rG: If you are guaranteed no other clients are connected to the same account on a muc you don't have to worry about matching
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Ge0rGmoparisthebest [20:58]:
> An interesting side effect to it that I didn't even plan is you can join from multiple IRC clients with the same Nick and it all just works
That just doesn't fit with what you just said
moparisthebestAh yes so it must only display on recieve and never send
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SeveWould you link to https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0372.html as the specification for 'Reply to (quote) messages with reference to the original message'?
SeveSince it has a lot of TODOs, I'm not sure if I should.
SeveMaybe that would scare more than make it interesting
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KevLink to in what context? References is the way to do that, yes.
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KevWe'll be implementing some references stuff in Swift imminently.
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SeveKev, that's great to hear!
I'm just doing this: https://github.com/SeveFP/KDE_IM_Requirements/wiki/XMPP-Table (The original is here https://community.kde.org/IM_Survey_Results but I can't edit that, so I'm making it on my own on GitHub)
The sentence is from those requirements but from another place, where they are a bit more explained. In the table it just says 'Quotes' but I guess I should say references.
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KevAnd you've got 393 for just quote formatting.
SamWhitedThe "TODO: define character appropriately" still seems like an important part missing from references; I probably wouldn't consider it fit for use until that's fixed.
SeveKev, yes, I wrote that, but I also wanted to specify that there's a XEP for referencing other messages, since I think is something expected. The XEP is still in need of some work, so I'm not sure if I should put it there, because the audience of that table I'm doing may or may not understand how the process work and will think I'm joking or something like that. I guess you get what I mean.
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SeveSamWhited, thank you
SeveSamWhited, by the way, I haven't replied yet, but thank you very much for your answer on the mailing list, very very good and helpful!
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SamWhitedSure thing, I hope it ends up being useful. Their requirements list was a tad vague though, so maybe once they've tightened it up a bit we can help them.
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SeveSamWhited, indeed. It seems that the table I'm filling, is based on https://sessellift.wordpress.com/2017/09/05/results-of-the-requirements-survey-for-a-kde-wide-chat-solution/
So I'm trying to match the requirements on the table with the ones on that blogpost.