Maranda“10% of our chat server codebase is written in C while 90% is pure Erlang" 🤣🤣 I mean just mentioning what are you *really* using, salvaging code from is hard I suppose.
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flowAnd the memory leak in which XMPP server did cause this: https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/news/postmortem-of-service-outage-at-3-4m-ccu ? ;)
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GuusFlow: unsure? a cluster of 101 nodes is pretty nice though :)
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flowit is indeed
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flowalthough I don't understand how the cluster works if every node only connects to 10 other nodes and the still talk about a full mesh
flowbut maybe the definition of full mesh is not what I have in mind
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Ge0rGHow should a user's MAM archive handle MUC-PMs? Store them, but not return them on normal queries?
Ge0rGOnly give them back after the client has joined?
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pep.pokes memberbot for the first time
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Alexpep.: go for it ;-)
pep.What do I need to tell it? Do I need to add it to my roster as well?
pep.I didn't find a wiki page for it
Sevepep., justsay hi
SeveAnd it will tell you what to do
pep.nope, doesn't work
SeveOh yes, you have to add it to your roster.
pep.Can somebody accept the subscription?
SeveAlex, can you, please?
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pep.TIL {xep 345}. I thought I read the wiki entirely when I applied, I must have missed any reference to this
Bunnehpep.: Form of Membership Applications (Procedural, Deferred, 2017-09-11)
See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0345.html
mathieuiwell, it doesn’t say much more than the wiki page
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Ge0rG> The entity shouldn’t be reconnecting after a stream error,
jonasw: you are an optimist.
KevNot an optimist, I'm just not convinced that's right at all.
Ge0rGKev: me neither.
KevThere was a problem, you want to reconnect.
Ge0rGI know for sure that my implementation can't differentiate between permanent and transient errors, so it will just stubbornly retry until the end of the world
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jonaswGe0rG, okay, I meant to say "try to resume"
jonaswsorry, that was unclear
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Ge0rGI agree with Kev that it will cause annoyance to the users. But otherwise it is a bug which silently eats your messages, so gaining some visible annoyance is a good thing here.
jonaswyeah
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stefandxmwow. google talk/hangout works via xmpp again,. was broken the last weeks :o
SeveToo bad the lack of federation though
Ge0rGstefandxm: it's broken since we moved to mandatory TLS in 2013.
stefandxmSeve, sure. but at least it works from an xmpp client again
Sevestefandxm, do they use XMPP or is it just some kind of transport?
stefandxmSeve, they use xmpp
stefandxmbut as said before, they do not allow federation
Ge0rGstefandxm: they do, kind of.
Ge0rGit just depends on which Google client you use, and better don't rely on your messages actually arriving anywhere
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MarandaGtalk working..? How can it work if xmpp was officially shutdown?
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MarandaThe only other Mandatory Encryption exception I had to leave is cisco.com they don't still encrypt streams
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Ge0rGMaranda: they are so 2001.
MarandaVerily
Ge0rGThe owners of Jabber don't do encrypted Jabber in 2018. So sad.
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jonaswGe0rG, the owners of jabber filter 5222 towards the internet in their own network
jonaswI think that might be worse
Zashsad face
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moparisthebestneeds more TLS on 443 I guess :P
moparisthebestwhich I admit is awful to have to resort to, but, such is the state of things
Zashvery sad face
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Maranda😱
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flowGe0rG, there is an i18n issue with form field names?
flowcan't you use xml:lang?
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Ge0rGflow: since when are all forms in all servers translated into all languages?
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flowGe0rG, is that an protocol issue?
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Ge0rGflow: no, it's an implementation expectation issue
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vanitasvitaeIs there a way to broadcast to other clients, that one client just joined a muc?
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vanitasvitaeI know there are bookmarks, but are updates automatically pushed to all clients?
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vanitasvitaeI find it unfortunate, that when I join a muc on for example dino, i have to relog in conversations to join the muc from there aswell.
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moparisthebestwell sometimes I don't want to be in all my muc's on all my clients
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moparisthebestI have super busy mucs I only join from a desktop client because they'd eat my phone battery
moparisthebestbut in the general case what you are talking about would be nice :)
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SamWhitedIs discuss@conference.jabber.org still a thing that anyone uses? Someone was asking about general purpose XMPP chats so I tried to join, but Conversations appears to think that I have been banned, which I'm *reasonably* sure is wrong unless I did something really bad and forgot.
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lovetoxwas there not something that banned not necessarily means banned
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lovetoxit just the forbidden error stanza
lovetoxi think its triggered for example if the server doesnt allow you to open a new muc
SamWhitedMaybe discuss@ was deleted or something then; I don't know who the admins are to find out though.
lovetoxi think MattJ was a admin of jabber.org
lovetoxbut maybe im remembering that wrong
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KevWe discussed the 'signal to other clients' thing for MUC at the Summit, and verdict was to switch 48 to 163, set all MUCs to autojoin when they're joined, unset autojoin when left, and all clients to obey immediately.
KevSo at least all your clients are consistent (assuming they do this, naturally).