XSF Discussion - 2018-02-21

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08:31:43 Maranda “10% of our chat server codebase is written in C while 90% is pure Erlang" 🤣🤣 I mean just mentioning what are you *really* using, salvaging code from is hard I suppose.
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08:57:49 flow And the memory leak in which XMPP server did cause this: https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/news/postmortem-of-service-outage-at-3-4m-ccu ? ;)
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09:13:26 Guus Flow: unsure? a cluster of 101 nodes is pretty nice though :)
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09:15:10 flow it is indeed
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09:16:21 flow although I don't understand how the cluster works if every node only connects to 10 other nodes and the still talk about a full mesh
09:16:55 flow but maybe the definition of full mesh is not what I have in mind
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10:27:26 Ge0rG How should a user's MAM archive handle MUC-PMs? Store them, but not return them on normal queries?
10:27:34 Ge0rG Only give them back after the client has joined?
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10:48:32 pep. pokes memberbot for the first time
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10:52:21 Alex pep.: go for it ;-)
10:54:19 pep. What do I need to tell it? Do I need to add it to my roster as well?
10:54:34 pep. I didn't find a wiki page for it
10:55:26 Seve pep., justsay hi
10:55:33 Seve And it will tell you what to do
10:55:42 pep. nope, doesn't work
10:55:54 Seve Oh yes, you have to add it to your roster.
10:57:16 pep. Can somebody accept the subscription?
10:57:59 Seve Alex, can you, please?
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11:11:43 pep. TIL {xep 345}. I thought I read the wiki entirely when I applied, I must have missed any reference to this
11:11:45 Bunneh pep.: Form of Membership Applications (Procedural, Deferred, 2017-09-11) See: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0345.html
11:14:09 mathieui well, it doesn’t say much more than the wiki page
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11:23:01 Ge0rG > The entity shouldn’t be reconnecting after a stream error, jonasw: you are an optimist.
11:23:24 Kev Not an optimist, I'm just not convinced that's right at all.
11:23:34 Ge0rG Kev: me neither.
11:23:50 Kev There was a problem, you want to reconnect.
11:23:55 Ge0rG I know for sure that my implementation can't differentiate between permanent and transient errors, so it will just stubbornly retry until the end of the world
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11:30:31 jonasw Ge0rG, okay, I meant to say "try to resume"
11:30:35 jonasw sorry, that was unclear
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11:31:46 Ge0rG I agree with Kev that it will cause annoyance to the users. But otherwise it is a bug which silently eats your messages, so gaining some visible annoyance is a good thing here.
11:32:46 jonasw yeah
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13:34:46 stefandxm wow. google talk/hangout works via xmpp again,. was broken the last weeks :o
13:35:13 Seve Too bad the lack of federation though
13:35:15 Ge0rG stefandxm: it's broken since we moved to mandatory TLS in 2013.
13:36:25 stefandxm Seve, sure. but at least it works from an xmpp client again
13:38:45 Zash -ping gmail.com
13:38:46 Bunneh Zash: Ping failed (remote-server-not-found): Server-to-server connection failed: Connecting failed: connection refused
13:41:06 Seve stefandxm, do they use XMPP or is it just some kind of transport?
13:43:20 stefandxm Seve, they use xmpp
13:43:44 stefandxm but as said before, they do not allow federation
13:43:58 Ge0rG stefandxm: they do, kind of.
13:44:51 Ge0rG it just depends on which Google client you use, and better don't rely on your messages actually arriving anywhere
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13:55:39 Maranda Gtalk working..? How can it work if xmpp was officially shutdown?
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13:59:04 Maranda The only other Mandatory Encryption exception I had to leave is cisco.com they don't still encrypt streams
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13:59:21 Ge0rG Maranda: they are so 2001.
13:59:28 Maranda Verily
13:59:44 Ge0rG The owners of Jabber don't do encrypted Jabber in 2018. So sad.
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14:33:27 jonasw Ge0rG, the owners of jabber filter 5222 towards the internet in their own network
14:33:31 jonasw I think that might be worse
14:36:15 Zash sad face
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15:03:52 moparisthebest needs more TLS on 443 I guess :P
15:04:11 moparisthebest which I admit is awful to have to resort to, but, such is the state of things
15:05:19 Zash very sad face
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15:29:26 Maranda 😱
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18:51:22 flow Ge0rG, there is an i18n issue with form field names?
18:51:47 flow can't you use xml:lang?
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18:55:09 Ge0rG flow: since when are all forms in all servers translated into all languages?
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18:57:40 flow Ge0rG, is that an protocol issue?
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18:58:38 Ge0rG flow: no, it's an implementation expectation issue
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21:33:37 vanitasvitae Is there a way to broadcast to other clients, that one client just joined a muc?
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21:33:56 vanitasvitae I know there are bookmarks, but are updates automatically pushed to all clients?
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21:34:39 vanitasvitae I find it unfortunate, that when I join a muc on for example dino, i have to relog in conversations to join the muc from there aswell.
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21:38:40 moparisthebest well sometimes I don't want to be in all my muc's on all my clients
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21:38:55 moparisthebest I have super busy mucs I only join from a desktop client because they'd eat my phone battery
21:39:10 moparisthebest but in the general case what you are talking about would be nice :)
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21:41:51 SamWhited Is discuss@conference.jabber.org still a thing that anyone uses? Someone was asking about general purpose XMPP chats so I tried to join, but Conversations appears to think that I have been banned, which I'm *reasonably* sure is wrong unless I did something really bad and forgot.
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21:49:23 lovetox was there not something that banned not necessarily means banned
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21:50:11 lovetox it just the forbidden error stanza
21:50:39 lovetox i think its triggered for example if the server doesnt allow you to open a new muc
21:51:10 SamWhited Maybe discuss@ was deleted or something then; I don't know who the admins are to find out though.
21:51:44 lovetox i think MattJ was a admin of jabber.org
21:51:53 lovetox but maybe im remembering that wrong
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23:30:01 Kev We discussed the 'signal to other clients' thing for MUC at the Summit, and verdict was to switch 48 to 163, set all MUCs to autojoin when they're joined, unset autojoin when left, and all clients to obey immediately.
23:30:29 Kev So at least all your clients are consistent (assuming they do this, naturally).
23:30:46 Kev (Not really 163, but YKWIM)
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23:48:25 SamWhited yes please.
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