XSF Discussion - 2018-03-15

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  173. jonasw after reading https://gultsch.de/converse_bookmarks.html, I think we should adapt the security considerations of XEP-0223 to include a strong hint that discovering support is vital for security
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  183. Ge0rG jonasw: that or doing the probing limbo dance
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  186. jonasw probing limbo?
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  188. Ge0rG Where you publish with options set and then query what the server did out of that
  189. Ge0rG BBL
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  191. jonasw and then your data is already public?
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  205. Zash Trying with non-sensitive data first?
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  207. jonasw not convinced
  208. jonasw discovering the feature seems more reasonable to me
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  211. Zash Of course.
  212. Zash Are the required features recent additions or what's the issue here?
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  214. Zash (assume I've lost all memory)
  215. jonasw no, people just apparently don’t check
  216. jonasw no, people just apparently don’t check if the service actually supports publish-options
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  221. Zash I approve of big angry warning in 223
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  226. Ge0rG Zash: PR or didn't happen
  227. jonasw Ge0rG, #608
  228. jonasw :P
  229. jonasw https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/608
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  234. flow jonasw, +1
  235. jonasw I was slightly shocked that a XEP which puts private data in pubsub boldly claimed that there were no security considerations above those in '60 and '163. I haven’t checked if "everything’s gonna be public" has been mentioned there, but not mentioning it in '223 anyways feels like negligent
  236. Ge0rG jonasw: 👍 Also I remember documentation somewhere on how to publish to PEP in a secure way, but probably it predated the latest publish-options
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  238. jonasw Ge0rG, daniel has some on his site
  239. Ge0rG Yeah, that
  240. jonasw this one probably: https://gist.github.com/iNPUTmice/7c52785ed69787516abb60e31703dbd2
  241. Ge0rG I was looking into crawling all my contacts' PEP for their bookmarks for a while, but I never was sufficiently good at scripting xmpp
  242. daniel Ge0rG, just subscribe to the node
  243. jonasw does that give you a push when you come online?
  244. daniel yes that'll push you all your contacts bookmarks
  245. jonasw neat
  246. jonasw lemme try that
  247. daniel aehm +notify i mean
  248. jonasw sure
  249. Ge0rG daniel: you mentioned that, yes. But it still requires code to subscribe and to process events
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  251. jonasw heh
  252. jonasw lemme aioxmpp that for you
  253. Ge0rG If somebody writes a script that...
  254. Ge0rG jonasw: yes please
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  257. Zash `storage:bookmarks+notify` ?
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  260. Ge0rG Are there any other use cases of private PEP?
  261. daniel i justed added that to Conversations very quickly. that was like two lines of code
  262. daniel when i tested that last month
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  265. Zash Just tried using clix. Boring, got nothing but disco#info queries at me.
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  267. daniel yeah it's not very widespread it seems. nobody uses converse.js (to publish! bookmarks) and in poezio it's just a rare corner case
  268. Zash What's `urn:xmpp:inbox`
  269. jonasw Ge0rG, aioxmpp git pull && cd examples && python3 listen_pep.py --namespace storage:bookmarks
  270. jonasw stop it with Ctrl+C
  271. jonasw I tested it with urn:xmpp:avatar:metadata
  272. Zash Uh, taking a thing that's meant for *broadcasting public data* and using it for storing private data?
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  276. jonasw it revealed the depressing amount of people using xep-0084
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  278. Zash About a quarter of my contacts, it seems
  279. daniel note that you wont receive pep notifications for offline contacts on ejabberd servers
  280. daniel that might distort what ever you are 'testing'
  281. Zash jonasw: Nice caps2 you got there
  282. jonasw :)
  283. jonasw the resource tells you why
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  286. Ge0rG jonasw: ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'aioxmpp' 😞
  287. Zash jonasw: Does it offer like an XML console/REPL hybrid thing? (like `clix raw`)
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  290. Zash If not, make one, it's the best thing since sliced bread
  291. jonasw Ge0rG, enter our jabbercat virtualenv
  292. jonasw Ge0rG, enter your jabbercat virtualenv
  293. Ge0rG Oh, yes.
  294. jonasw Zash, yeah, it’s tricky to do that with asyncio though
  295. jonasw like, really tricky
  296. jonasw readline + asyncio doesn’t mix
  297. Zash Can't pretend that stdin is a socket somehow?
  298. jonasw that’s not the main problem
  299. jonasw writing things on stdout asynchronously and expecting readline or whatever’s handling your input to cope by redrawing is "nope"
  300. jonasw I messed with that for some time and then gave up
  301. jonasw closest thing I can do is something based on urwid (pure-python ncurses-like thing)
  302. jonasw not to mention that doing actual raw XML is super-hard with aioxmpp
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  305. Zash clix doesn't use readline, just the bare io lib for reading stdin, and some clever lies told to the network server
  306. Ge0rG jonasw: so it's idling there after I entered my password. Does that mean everybody I know is safe?
  307. jonasw Ge0rG, yeah
  308. jonasw modulo what daniel said
  309. Zash I usually wrap it in rlwrap. Not that it gets happy about showing new stanzas while you are typing something...
  310. Ge0rG ah, urn:xmpp:avatar:metadata happens to return a bunch of things.
  311. jonasw Zash, yeah, that can probably be done easily, but that goes against my perfectionism ;-)
  312. Ge0rG I demand a zemlyanka frontend.
  313. jonasw a what
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  315. Ge0rG that used to be a TUI binding for one of the large X11 toolkits. GTK I think
  316. jonasw creepy
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  320. Ge0rG I am waiting for a use case that mandates a resurrection of TurboVision
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  325. Link Mauve “13:27:28 Steve Kille> Ge0rG: military users like to have lots of tabs, so they can monitor many chats at once, with keyword highlighting to draw attention to things they care about. I have been told of an operator with 64 rooms displayed”, damn, I should get into this business, they’d see my poezio with 216 tabs (currently)!
  326. jonasw 216 is a great number
  327. Link Mauve About half of those are private discussions, the rest are MUCs.
  328. Zash Link Mauve: You are promoted to General. Report to the president at once. ;)
  329. Seve/SouL Haha
  330. Link Mauve Zash, it’s with the very concept of war that I have an issue, so sadly I can’t make use of my great poezio skills that way.
  331. jonasw Link Mauve, sabotage them from the inside!
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  353. rion just implemented optional session in Psi.
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  590. Martin Any Boardies about?
  591. MattJ waves
  592. Martin Hi MattJ
  593. MattJ ralphm, Guus
  594. ralphm I'm here, but also in a telco
  595. ralphm Can somebody else take the lead for this meeting?
  596. Martin I can
  597. MattJ Thanks Martin
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  599. Martin 1. Roll Call:
  600. Martin Me, MattJ, and ralphm in his peripheral vision
  601. Martin 2. Minutes.
  602. Martin Any volunteers?
  603. MattJ I'd rather not volunteer, as I already have outstanding commitments...
  604. Guus I'm half here
  605. jonasw I would, but I can’t promise that I don’t have to disappear in the next 30 minutes, sorry.
  606. Martin OK, I'll try and scribe after the fact
  607. Martin 3. Topics for decisions
  608. Martin 3.1 Board Priorities
  609. Martin From last week's minutes, seems like there's a meeting that needs arranging
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  611. Martin Anyone know where that's at?
  612. Guus Nyco has asked me for availablity a couple of times
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  614. Guus Don't know the current state.
  615. Martin OK, let's kick it along the road to next week
  616. Guus At some point, I think we should give up on this.
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  620. Guus Sooner rather than later.
  621. MattJ wfm
  622. Martin Let's give it another week, then see where we are
  623. Guus K
  624. Martin 3.2 Bus factor / bank account
  625. Guus I failed to ping Peter
  626. Guus Still waiting on feedback from the bank, AFAIK
  627. Martin OK
  628. Martin 4. Commitment list
  629. Martin 4.1 Board priority meeting: dealt with above
  630. Martin 4.2 Membership survey, MattJ?
  631. MattJ Not finished, but I may send a draft for feedback to the board list in the next day or two
  632. Martin Cool
  633. Martin 4.3 Prepare discussion points regarding the Fundraising and Financing discussion.
  634. Martin Guus?
  635. Guus I did not plan to be here today (I sent apologies) and did not prepare for that.
  636. Martin OK, no problem
  637. Guus Next week
  638. Martin 5. Items for discussion
  639. Martin 5.1 Fundraising & finance
  640. Martin I'm guessing we should postpone this topic given the above?
  641. MattJ +1
  642. Guus Yup
  643. Martin 6. AOBs
  644. Martin Any?
  645. MattJ None here
  646. Guus Not from me
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  648. Martin Righto
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  651. Martin 6. Date & time of next? Everyone OK with +1W, 14:30 UK time? (I know some DSTs kcik in)
  652. MattJ wfm, I think everyone is going to switch at the same time anyway
  653. Guus It's 14:30 always, right?
  654. Martin Guus: It is indeed
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  656. Guus Wfm
  657. Martin Excellent, then I think we're all done. Thanks all!
  658. MattJ Thanks Martin :)
  659. Guus Tx
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  754. Maranda . . .
  755. Maranda . .
  756. Maranda .
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  758. Maranda Pidgin still uses legacy sessions? Oh rly?
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  760. Zash Everything uses them
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  763. Zash Some servers required it, and there wasn't any way to know that it was optional.
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  765. Maranda eyes Neustradamus.
  766. Zash So it must be used if offered.
  767. Zash Or you risk not being able to login at all
  768. Maranda And what if not offered?
  769. jonasw yeah, learnt that the hard way with aioxmpp
  770. Maranda Pidgin breaks? yay.
  771. Zash If not offered then ???
  772. Holger Now there is an <optional/> tag right ...
  773. Zash Probably some clients will do it anyways because reasons, and shoot themselves right in the connection.
  774. Maranda if not offered then pidgin = "borked" end
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  776. Maranda XD
  777. jonasw classic pidgin
  778. Maranda Neustradamus, what you made me do :P
  779. Zash Holger: In an expired draft...
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  781. Holger Zash: Well, yeah.
  782. Zash Prosody does add optional tho.
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  784. Maranda Holger, I (re-)added the optional and changed the default to not offer legacy sessions by default and guess what... An e-mail this morning stating someone using Pidgin can't login.
  785. Maranda woohoo
  786. Zash Heh, https://hg.prosody.im/trunk/rev/0bbbc9042361
  787. moparisthebest actually that might be good
  788. Zash Praise waqas
  789. Zash That might predate the draft
  790. moparisthebest if they can't login with pidgin, then it's "pidgin sucks", if they login with pidgin successfully then it's "xmpp sucks"
  791. Zash moparisthebest: whoever touched it last gets the blame
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  793. Holger moparisthebest: I think XMPP sucks if we break interop for no good reason.
  794. Zash First rule of Internet protocols: It has to work.
  795. moparisthebest that's if you define pidgin's xmpp implementation as 'working otherwise'
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  797. Holger Depending on the use case it works just fine of course.
  798. moparisthebest for the use case of work like AIM in 1999 sure
  799. Holger That's the #1 strength of XMPP. We can add a ton of modern stuff without breaking Pidgin.
  800. Holger moparisthebest: Yes for many of my co-workers that use case hasn't changed.
  801. moparisthebest I'm not so sure, whenever someone says 'XMPP Sucks' if you ask enough questions it usually boils down to 'Pidgin Sucks'
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  804. Holger Saying it's good to break stuff for them because Pidgin doesn't fit your use cases is going for Matrix.
  805. Zash > If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Common saying about things that appear to work, but are actually horribly broken.
  806. Holger If I wouldn't care about compat I'd ditch XMPP and start from scratch.
  807. Holger moparisthebest: I'm sure he'll love XMPP if you break Pidgin's ability to initiate a session altogether.
  808. Zash Maybe even Pidgin with GTalk
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  810. moparisthebest I'm just saying virtually every time I've had a discussion with someone that said xmpp sucks, they meant pidgin connected to gmail sucks
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  812. moparisthebest luckily half of that is gone now
  813. Zash Is it really tho?
  814. moparisthebest I thought it was?
  815. Zash Federation is dead
  816. jjrh I think the solution for pidgin is either: A) Fix pidgin's xmpp support or B) convince distributions to ship something else by default.
  817. Holger moparisthebest: I do not doubt that. The thing I don't understand is how you come to the conclusion that breaking Pidgin helps with that problem.
  818. Zash jjrh: Too attractive to ship one thing, get all the protocols
  819. jjrh Zash, I'd be interested in how many people actually use pidgin for much other than XMPP and possibly IRC.
  820. moparisthebest pidgin user's should be used to stuff breaking, lync support always broke when I used pidgin for it
  821. moparisthebest of course official lync client isn't much better...
  822. Zash moparisthebest: Have you tried suggesting alternative clients when you reach the conclution that pidgin is the problem? Assuming they understand or admit it themselves?
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  824. moparisthebest yea, every one I've convinced to try Conversations really likes it
  825. jjrh I mean ummm 5 or so years ago pidgin was okay. You could connect to a bunch of chat systems with it. These days everything has broken their support. I migrated to bitlbee for a while then gave up and just open browser tabs
  826. Zash moparisthebest: because that's probably one of the times they'd be most receptive to it
  827. Zash it sure doesn't work to say something like "your thing sucsk, try mine"
  828. Holger Even less so if your thing was a desktop client and mine runs on Android.
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  830. jjrh Pidgin dev is pretty dead by the looks of things. :P
  831. Holger Sure.
  832. jjrh Last news update was 2016
  833. Holger So what? It's not like I recommend Pidgin to anyone, ever. It's just that I don't fancy breaking Pidgin for no good reason, that's all.
  834. Holger (And Pidgin just being an example, of course.)
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  836. moparisthebest not for no good reason, but you also wouldn't want to hold everything else back just for pidgin compat
  837. moparisthebest it's a balance I guess
  838. Zash Last commit seems to be less than a month ago tho
  839. jjrh No I agree - breaking a client isn't a good idea. My point is more the reason pidgin is used - even if it's ONLY for xmpp - is because it's installed by default on the majority of popular distributions.
  840. Holger moparisthebest: This was about offering <session/> (as a no-op). This doesn't hold back anything.
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  844. Zash It can't really be removed at this point, but adding <optional> allows it to be skipped by aware clients
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  846. Holger Yes I'm all for <optional/> (and ejabberd adds it as well).
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  850. Holger Without <optional/> it does hold back saving that round trip of course.
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  852. Maranda Holger I don't think Pidgin cares about optional.
  853. Maranda :P
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  856. Zash Clients that don't know about <optional> pay the round trip price.
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  858. Holger Maranda: Of course not.
  859. Maranda And it will say "error initializing session" if it's not offered as well lol.
  860. Holger Maranda: Yes. Optional is the way to allow modern clients to save the round trip without breaking old ones.
  861. Holger (Am I not stating the obvious?)
  862. Maranda I'm not sure if I should change the default of legacy session offering back to true.
  863. Holger Why not?
  864. Maranda I suppose so.
  865. Maranda Holger, I didn't consider Pidgin would break, I should have probably.
  866. Holger Well I'm obviously not complaining about an oversight, just about an "it's fine to break old clients" attitude.
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  868. Maranda Holger, oh I didn't want to break anything I didn't expect it to break :P
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  870. Zash Can we fight over dialback instead?
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  875. fippo zash: you can fight with me!
  876. Holger Zash: It should die who cares about old servers!!
  877. Zash Kill it with fire!
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  879. Zash Or at least get xep-0178 to match whatever current consensus is
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  881. Holger Yeah 0178 should be fixed.
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  884. Holger Next issue we ran into with Dialback is 0198 feature negotiation.
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  886. Zash Because it's not advertised on unauthenticated connections? And there's no advertising at all after authentication-by-dialback
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  888. Holger 0198 says "negotiate when authenticated" Dialback says "go go go when authenticated!".
  889. Holger Zash: Right.
  890. Zash Which means it has to be advertised before auth
  891. Zash Or limited to connections with SASL EXTERNAL
  892. Zash I wonder if BIDI didn't have some similar issue
  893. Zash In at least one of those cases I just went with EXTERNAL-only
  894. Holger Yeah I think I'm going for limiting it to SASL EXTERNAL. So I'm back to "burn Dialback with fire".
  895. Maranda well yes you can't use db on the same stream for bidi.
  896. Maranda You need to open another.
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  901. fippo holger: mind you, in the past when those specs were written the percentage of servers that had usable certificates was single-digit
  902. Holger fippo: Yes, sure :-)
  903. Holger Some things do improve.
  904. Maranda Holger, or it's even worse maybe....
  905. Maranda no it's not.
  906. Holger (Then again, if the attacker can mess with DNS to circumvent Dialback he can also get a Let's Encrypt cert, no?)
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  908. fippo holger: dialback is online. getting a certificate is an offline attack.
  909. Zash Did anyone ever formalise "samecert"?
  910. fippo zash: dwd and me talked about it. i might even have implemented it but not sure if i ever pushed it somewhere
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  912. Maranda <<Pidgin client working with Lightwitch again (starting ~11:30am CT). Thanks! >>
  913. Maranda aww
  914. Maranda rolls eyes.
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  918. Maranda well if you have BIDI and dialback you need to support dialback errors because the BIDI XEP mandates so anyways
  919. Zash fippo: I might have done a plugin with half of it (in one direction if there's already an open session in the other)
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  921. Zash and d-w-d
  922. Maranda so if you don't... well I'm not sure what you need to do since db support is advertised right on the stream header yay.
  923. Maranda So pretty
  924. Maranda just supports db errors, and opens another stream to do dialback if it's a BIDI stream.
  925. Maranda brb
  926. moparisthebest if a server only supported the latest state of the art of everything, and no legacy, it probably would interop just fine with all somewhat recently updated servers right?
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  928. Maranda a server?
  929. Zash Disable dialback and see what happens
  930. Maranda yeah
  931. Maranda although most servers now do SASL external since alle the free certificateness.
  932. moparisthebest I guess what I'm asking is, if you were writing a server from scratch today, would you support dialback?
  933. moparisthebest I'm thinking you wouldn't have to
  934. Maranda yes
  935. Maranda moparisthebest, you need it if SASL external fails for whatever reason.
  936. Zash Security related failure, let's proceed anyways!
  937. moparisthebest well or you just, fail
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  940. Maranda Zash, *security* le like self-signed certificate? CA error? Let me think. Hmm yes let's continue anyways.
  941. moparisthebest how many servers today don't have valid CA signed certs that you actually want to communicate with?
  942. moparisthebest I would hope few to none
  943. jonasw could grep through xmpp.net database
  944. Zash moparisthebest: 1/3 according to xmpp.net/stats
  945. jonasw or ask holger to grep through his one on messaging.one
  946. jonasw oh neat
  947. moparisthebest sure I bet there are a couple with IBR enabled from 2005 or whatever, but you explicitly do not want those to s2s with you
  948. moparisthebest well I said "that you want to communicate with" :)
  949. jonasw https://xmpp.net/reports.php#trust
  950. Maranda because if your CA isn't included in someone's OS does it make "not valid"? Just saying trust is one thing validity another me thinks.
  951. Maranda because if your CA isn't included in someone's OS does it make it "not valid"? Just saying trust is one thing validity another me thinks.
  952. jonasw moparisthebest, probably you want to communicate with all of them, otherwise you’re like microsoft who think that blacklisting whole IP ranges is okay.
  953. moparisthebest there is essentially 1 CA list, and that's whatever mozilla/google uses
  954. Maranda Yay
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  958. moparisthebest I'm not really sure what's going on on the reports.php page
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  960. moparisthebest is the trust numbers only of those servers that do TLS
  961. moparisthebest because you don't want to talk to any non-TLS ones anyway
  962. moparisthebest ha, or the 1 with the 512 bit RSA key lol
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  966. moparisthebest but yea my point is there are whole classes of servers you do not want to s2s with, look at the ones using SSLv2, even SSLv3
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  968. MattJ Just because someone is on a server that uses SSLv2, do I not want to communicate with them?
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  970. moparisthebest yes, all decent servers shouldn't communicate them so they'll fix it or move
  971. MattJ Yes, it has weak/no transport security, but does it automatically follow that I would never want to communicate with them? :)
  972. Maranda moparisthebest, I think you're confusing security with trust.
  973. Maranda moparisthebest, I think you're confusing security with identity trust.
  974. moparisthebest they are 2 different issues, but both lead me to not want to interop with that server
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  977. Maranda when dialback got dished out I think it was more about asserting and authenticating identity but that's me, and while the two things may go hand in hand someone may say.
  978. Maranda when dialback got dished out I think it was more about asserting and authenticating identity but that's me, and while the two things may go hand to hand someone may say.
  979. moparisthebest well it also allows for insecure connections, so it's a bit of a mixed bag
  980. Maranda Encrypted streams when Jabber was Jabber?
  981. Maranda :P
  982. Maranda or following short after?
  983. Maranda or even now? *eyes cisco.com*
  984. moparisthebest I haven't been around it that long :P
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  986. moparisthebest and maybe that's the reason I view it like this
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  989. moparisthebest but things that made sense then like dialback, haven't made sense now for a long time, and I see no reason to support legacy code to interop with a server last updated in 2005
  990. Zash moparisthebest: lucrative customer wants to talk to you. they use an ancient jabberd release from the 1800s and support only SSL 3. what do you do?
  991. moparisthebest I guess you could say "I'll talk to you only if we upgrade your server" :P
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  995. moparisthebest I once dropped a contracting side job because they wouldn't drop windows XP
  996. Maranda moparisthebest, to talk with cisco.com I need dialback, to talk with M-Link I often need dialback because it complains the purpose of my certificate is wrong I suppose (YAY).
  997. Zash ah yes, LE certs aren't technically/strictly valid for XMPP s2s or somesuch
  998. moparisthebest seems like a lot of work to talk to legacy systems that need to burn
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  1000. Holger Zash: I think they are. Or at least they don't miss that bit that the StartSSL certs missed.
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  1002. Zash Holger: The bit saying "This is ok as client certificate"?
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  1004. Holger Yeah.
  1005. Holger Web Client Whatever Something.
  1006. Zash TLS Web Client Authentication
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  1015. moparisthebest hmm does xmpp.net not say what IP it's connecting to? or at least v4 vs v6 ?
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  1038. jonasw moparisthebest, I think it can only do v4
  1039. jonasw due to deployment fubar
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  1047. moparisthebest ah ok, would be nice eventually to test both like http://ssllabs.com/ does for https
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  1050. Zash Is anyone aware of any remaining Group Chat 1.0 clients?
  1051. Zash Or is can we get rid of that without breaking anything
  1052. Ge0rG Zash: didn't you plan to write something to log GC1 joins?
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  1054. Ge0rG Maybe combined with version-querying the respective client, so we can check if it's just presence desync
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  1056. Ge0rG I volunteer to run that code on yax.im for a week, and then to make a PR against 0045.
  1057. Ge0rG [I feel lucky]
  1058. Zash Well I did add some logging already.
  1059. Ge0rG Is it already deployed on my server? :>
  1060. Zash Probably not
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  1063. Ge0rG Can I deploy it without restarting the server?
  1064. Zash Not running trunk with debug logging enabled right?
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  1066. Ge0rG Zash: [version yax.im]
  1067. Ge0rG Zash: {version yax.im}
  1068. Zash sans bot
  1069. Bunneh Zash: yax.im is running Prosody version 0.10 nightly build 460 (2018-02-03, 980d2daf3ed4) on Linux
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  1071. Ge0rG quoting. It drives me crazy.
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  1077. Zash Hm, I thought I had that code excracted out already
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  1099. Zash Ge0rG: Link Mauve did report some numbers that I didn't write down, unscientific as I am.
  1100. Zash Or did I dream that?
  1101. Link Mauve Wait, let me read the backlog.
  1102. Ge0rG Zash: I remember that as well.
  1103. Ge0rG I think the number of GC1 clients reported was 0
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  1114. Link Mauve Ah right, over a period of one week (our debug log retention time) we saw 47 GC1.0 joins, zero of which from a client which didn’t support MUC.
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  1177. Ge0rG I'd like to replicate the measurement on my server
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  1316. Neustradamus https://xmpp.org/rfcs/ <-- a lot of RFCs are missing no?
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  1322. Guus which ones?
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  1333. Neustradamus RFC 8284 RFC 8266 RFC 8048 RFC 7700 RFC 7702 RFC 7712 RFC 7622 RFC 7590 RFC 7572 RFC 7573 RFC 7395 RFC 7340 RFC 7248 RFC 7247 RFC 7259 RFC 7165 RFC 7081 RFC 5437 RFC 4979
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  1335. Neustradamus -> RFC 7395 (WebSocket)
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  1344. Guus kindly add a PR?
  1345. Neustradamus I do not know ^^
  1346. Neustradamus I have already notified too the missing XMPP logo with XMPP text
  1347. Neustradamus Maybe some messages are lost in the XMPP network