XSF Discussion - 2018-03-29

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11:50:32 Zash Hm?
11:51:01 Holger Hm!
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13:30:12 Guus snorts
13:30:51 Martin *waves*
13:31:32 ralphm heya
13:31:35 ralphm bangs gavel
13:31:47 ralphm set the topic to XSF Board Meeting | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
13:31:54 ralphm 0. Welcome and Agenda
13:32:05 ralphm Who do we have and do you have something to add to the agenda?
13:32:13 pep. Kev, in the intro of im-ng, s/has progressed/have progressed/
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13:32:25 pep. oops, sorry
13:32:27 Martin I'm here. I don't have anything to add.
13:32:41 Guus same
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13:33:52 ralphm MattJ, nyco?
13:34:03 MattJ Here
13:34:35 ralphm 1. Board prios.
13:34:45 ralphm Guus, you wanted to say something on this I believe.
13:35:13 Guus I motion that we no longer plan for a dedicated priorities-meeting.
13:35:23 Guus if we really thought that it would be valuable, it would have happened by now.
13:35:57 Guus we're 3 months in our 1 year term. Prio definition should be completed or no longer attempted.
13:36:19 MattJ Is it blocking progress on any front?
13:36:36 ralphm I don't think it does.
13:36:36 Guus We're holding other things, waiting for it.
13:36:44 Guus I dedicated a lane in trello for that.
13:36:49 Guus (the right most)
13:37:05 ralphm Right, that's blocking in the other direction
13:37:44 Guus I think we should consider this one failed, and start to put the limited amount of effort that we can spare on different things.
13:38:18 ralphm Incrementally.
13:38:23 ralphm I can agree
13:38:30 Guus (that came out funny - hope you understood my meaning)
13:38:55 MattJ I'm fine with that. Personally it's not taking any time from me, except for the minutes every week we spend discussing it
13:39:16 Martin I'm of the same view as MattJ
13:39:23 MattJ and I don't feel it's especially required for anything I'd like to see done this year
13:39:35 ralphm It would seem the motion carries.
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13:39:52 Guus (which reminds me: we need a minute taker)
13:40:11 MattJ Indeed. I just realised... did I volunteer last week?
13:40:14 ralphm Guus: oh, good one.
13:40:38 Guus MattJ, I think you did. Want to redeem yourself by being it this week? 😉
13:40:41 ralphm Yes, MattJ
13:40:51 MattJ Sure, I'll do this one and last
13:40:53 Guus weazles his way out of things.
13:40:56 ralphm :-D
13:40:58 MattJ Sorry about that
13:41:11 Guus no worries
13:41:44 ralphm 2. Bus factor
13:42:00 Guus Peter, are you here?
13:42:17 Guus (he mentioned via mail that he wanted to try being here for this)
13:42:25 ralphm I don't see him in here.
13:42:33 Guus ok, to bad.
13:42:44 Guus Anyways, there is a bit of background in the Trello card
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13:43:17 ralphm Sure, but we discussed that last week?
13:43:23 Guus In short: Peter is the only person that is authorized to manage our bank account.
13:43:38 Guus It would be good to add a second person, in case something happens to Peter.
13:43:45 Guus Peter came up with two solutions
13:44:01 Guus (excuse the copy/paste)
13:44:09 Guus 1. There is a manual form that someone can fill out to become a signer on the account, however that would not enable online banking access. My thought is that we could ask our long serving and highly reliable Secretary if he would do this.
13:44:22 Guus 2. For online banking access, someone needs to show up in person. I could arrange this with Thomas Muldowney or Dave Smith (emeritus members of the XSF who live near me and are reliable people), so that they could step in on a temporary basis if needed.
13:44:32 ralphm Let's do them one by one
13:44:44 ralphm (because they're not exclusive)
13:44:53 Guus I have had a chat with the Secretary (highly reliable) - he is willing.
13:44:55 ralphm Solution #1
13:44:58 ralphm I'm +1
13:45:05 Guus +1
13:45:33 MattJ +1
13:45:48 Martin +1
13:46:06 ralphm For the record, this is about Alexander Gnauck being additional signer.
13:46:18 ralphm Ok, that's agreed.
13:46:22 ralphm Then option 2.
13:46:27 MattJ To be clear though, this would enable Alex to carry out what operations exactly? (does it 100% solve the original problem?)
13:47:01 ralphm In case Peter would not be able to, Alex could perform operations on the bank account
13:47:09 ralphm except, apparently, online banking
13:47:16 Guus This would allow Alex to show up in person at the bank and act as it's owner/manager. It likely does not give him online banking privileges (unsure)
13:47:26 ralphm Which is what Option 2 is about.
13:47:44 Guus for me, it is a 100% solution to the problem of us loosing all bank account access, in case of Peter becoming unavailable.
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13:47:57 Guus (worst case, we need to stick him in a plane).
13:48:01 ralphm right
13:48:14 MattJ Alright
13:48:18 Guus As for #2, I'm -1.
13:48:19 MattJ Works for me
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13:48:32 ralphm So you are saying that we wouldn't need to add someone for just the online banking access.
13:49:25 Guus ralphm: I don't believe we do - certainly not to resolve the 'bus factor' issue.
13:49:47 ralphm With no other directors in the US, this would need to be somebody else. I have no objections to Peter's suggestions, but I can understand if you do.
13:50:38 Guus It's not a personal matter regarding the persons that were put forward by Peter, by the way. I just like, in general, to limit the access to our bank account. I thnk that's even more important when people do not have an affiliation with the XSF any more.
13:51:01 MattJ I'm on the fence about this one
13:51:49 MattJ Ideally I think we ought to be in the position where someone has online access (other than Peter), but I also feel it's awkward if that person is not actively involved with the XSF
13:52:17 Guus as far as I'm concerned, we're only tackling the issue of Peter becoming permanently unavailable here. I do not interpret this issue as 'lightening the load' for Peter. I think no such request came from Peter, and I don't see a need to be able to speed up bank account-related business.
13:52:19 MattJ It's nothing to do with trust, but practicality
13:52:19 ralphm Arguably they do have an affiliation (as emeritus member, which is a recognised affiliation described in our bylaws), but I get your feeling.
13:52:40 ralphm Guus: indeed
13:52:45 Martin I agree with Guus
13:53:17 ralphm Ok, so #2 is rejected.
13:53:54 MattJ wfm
13:53:55 Guus Did we drop the name of Alex? He's here.
13:53:59 Guus 'alex'
13:54:02 Guus (tag, you're it.)
13:54:06 ralphm The Board asks the Treasurer to add Alexander Gnauck as an additional signer to our bank account.
13:54:49 ralphm 3. Financing
13:55:01 ralphm Guus: did you also happen to touch upon this with Peter?
13:55:10 Guus No, I dropped the ball on that one.
13:55:26 Guus I'll get to it before our next meet.
13:55:33 ralphm Splendid.
13:55:41 Alex ya, I am here, just reading
13:55:54 ralphm Alex: thanks
13:56:13 ralphm Maybe we should start next meeting with this item.
13:56:28 Guus the finance item, that is?
13:56:31 Guus works for me.
13:56:37 MattJ +1
13:56:50 ralphm 4. Membership survey
13:56:58 ralphm MattJ, it looks like your name is on this.
13:57:31 MattJ Yeah. I wrote up my notes last week and I think I was going to send them out with the minutes but forgot both
13:57:54 MattJ I sent an email earlier today, so maybe we can discuss it next week if there's remaining time (unless you all had a chance to review already)
13:58:14 Guus The draft that you sent earlier today looks fine for me (maybe make a nice Google Form out of it). One question: how exactly are we going to process the responses into action for board?
13:58:18 MattJ or just reply with feedback on the list and maybe I can iterate on it ahead of next week
13:58:47 MattJ Guus, yeah, I was thinking of Google Forms
13:58:52 ralphm I think Google Form is a good idea, works quite well for our dinner signups
13:59:13 ralphm Ok, comments on list.
13:59:16 MattJ I think we can just go over the responses during a meeting - I'd be happy to take on the task of providing a summary
13:59:31 ralphm aye
13:59:35 Guus ok
13:59:39 MattJ I mean, discuss what actions, if any, come from the responses
13:59:48 ralphm sure
13:59:59 ralphm 5. AOB
14:00:06 ralphm anything?
14:00:09 Guus Can we clean up the right-most lane of Trello a bit?
14:00:22 ralphm Oh, right, that scrolled out of view
14:00:41 Guus I think two cards can be archived?
14:00:51 Guus and perhaps put the remaining one on a todo list again?
14:01:22 ralphm We need to discuss what to do with the role of Executive Director in general. Peter was not convinced we need one, but it is an official role defined in our Bylaws.
14:01:47 ralphm Let's put that on for after the Financing discussion
14:01:50 Guus I'm happy to discuss that. Let's put it on the agenda.
14:01:56 Guus ok
14:01:59 MattJ I think the only thing blocking a proper search is defining the requirements of the role
14:02:07 ralphm Indeed
14:02:13 ralphm ok
14:02:15 MattJ which is something we should be able to do
14:02:26 ralphm The survey item is already covered
14:02:43 ralphm and the priorities card can be archived, I think, given the above.
14:02:47 ralphm makes sense?
14:02:49 Guus yes
14:03:06 Guus my thoughts exactly, but didn't want to act on my own.
14:03:17 MattJ +1
14:03:41 Martin Makes sense to me
14:03:51 ralphm I think I'd summarize our priorities as "get our things back in order" (running this company) and afterwards we can rediscuss direction.
14:04:04 MattJ +1
14:04:21 ralphm All right.
14:04:25 ralphm 6. Date of Next
14:04:28 ralphm +1W
14:04:33 Guus wfm.
14:04:34 MattJ wfm
14:04:35 ralphm 7. Close
14:04:37 ralphm Thanks all!
14:04:41 ralphm bangs gavel
14:04:45 Martin Thanks ralphm
14:04:46 MattJ Thanks
14:04:47 Guus Thank you
14:04:55 Guus that was nice and productive.
14:05:01 ralphm set the topic to XSF Discussion | Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/ | Agenda https://trello.com/b/Dn6IQOu0/board-meetings
14:05:07 ralphm Guus: indeed!
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