pep.winfried, thanks for the wiki page! (I don't remember if I already said)
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winfriedpep. Thanks, I couldn't have done it without your notes!
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Ge0rGWhat's the correct way to handle MUC-PMs in MAM?
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ZashRun away screaming!
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Ge0rGZash: that doesn't work because I don't know which messages in MAM are MUC-PMs
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Ge0rGcase in point: a user has left a MUC a while ago, but is receiving MUC-PMs from MAM now, which the client doesn't correctly identify as PMs
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ZashWithout the <{muc}x>?
Ge0rGThis is either a bug in Conversations, which doesn't identify them as MUC-PMs (and I know that's a mess) or a bug in prosody for storing them in user's MAM
Ge0rGZash: yes
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HolgerI think PMs should be stored in MAM (until they die).
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Ge0rGHolger: which MAM
Ge0rGUser's or MUCs?
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danielI think storing PMs in user archive is fine
danielConsidering the general mess that PMs are
danielAnd I think C2 will recognize them correctly as PMs if they have the x tag
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Ge0rGdaniel: and if they don't?
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Ge0rGdaniel: a user complained about conversations showing PMs from a month ago as normal non PMs from the MUC JID
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Ge0rGThe "from a month ago" part is probably an unrelated prosody bug
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danielGe0rG: maybe old version
danielI was talking only c2
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HolgerGe0rG: Maybe it's good enough if we fix the case where the tag was added.
Ge0rGHolger: maybe
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Ge0rGdaniel: happened on beta 2
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danielGe0rG: I don't recall when I fixed that
Ge0rGdaniel: me neither 😀
danielOK let me rephrase this. I know when I fixed it. But I didn't know when I made the beta2
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Ge0rGdaniel: alright, thanks. I'll suggest the user to update.
ZashIs there a XEP template in the xeps repo?
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danielGe0rG: yeah I would have preferred if fdroid didn't make the beta version stable
danielAnd then stay on that version for weeks
danielYou get what you pay for
Ge0rGI guess that's fair. I've got my own share of free riders
KevZash: There is.
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danielGe0rG, fwiw (neat Conversations trick #143) i also check if the domain matches the known discovered muc server
danielthat only works on the 'home' muc server
danielbut for regular users thats 88% of the cases
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Ge0rGdaniel: you could check against all bookmarks and MUC domains
danielyes. but i'm afraid of false positives
danielwho knows what people put in their bookmarks
Ge0rGYaxim even comes with a static server list
Ge0rGdaniel: right, the implications will be very interesting
ZashWhat about the neat trick where you can have user@host and room@host? :)
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Ge0rGZash: it's a nice way to make everyone do more round trips
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ZashWaaaaaaaaaait a minute
Zash> stamp | The time when the XML stanza was originally sent
Zashin xep-0203
ZashShouldn't that be "received by whoever caused the delay"?
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ZashThe speed of light, electrons and CPU cycles aren't infinite, so only the sender knows exacly when it was originally sent.
ZashModulo time sync issues.
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Ge0rGModulo the philosophical meaning of "to send"