XSF Discussion - 2018-03-31

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00:44:34 pep. winfried, thanks for the wiki page! (I don't remember if I already said)
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06:25:35 winfried pep. Thanks, I couldn't have done it without your notes!
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16:12:54 Ge0rG What's the correct way to handle MUC-PMs in MAM?
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16:14:07 Ge0rG Zash: that doesn't work because I don't know which messages in MAM are MUC-PMs
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16:15:29 Ge0rG case in point: a user has left a MUC a while ago, but is receiving MUC-PMs from MAM now, which the client doesn't correctly identify as PMs
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16:18:56 Zash Without the <{muc}x>?
16:18:58 Ge0rG This is either a bug in Conversations, which doesn't identify them as MUC-PMs (and I know that's a mess) or a bug in prosody for storing them in user's MAM
16:19:00 Ge0rG Zash: yes
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16:27:15 Holger I think PMs should be stored in MAM (until they die).
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16:34:35 Ge0rG Holger: which MAM
16:36:47 Ge0rG User's or MUCs?
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16:39:46 daniel I think storing PMs in user archive is fine
16:40:08 daniel Considering the general mess that PMs are
16:41:12 daniel And I think C2 will recognize them correctly as PMs if they have the x tag
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16:45:46 Ge0rG daniel: and if they don't?
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16:46:24 Ge0rG daniel: a user complained about conversations showing PMs from a month ago as normal non PMs from the MUC JID
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16:47:37 Ge0rG The "from a month ago" part is probably an unrelated prosody bug
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16:52:24 daniel Ge0rG: maybe old version
16:52:32 daniel I was talking only c2
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16:57:24 Holger Ge0rG: Maybe it's good enough if we fix the case where the tag was added.
16:58:08 Ge0rG Holger: maybe
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17:00:57 Ge0rG daniel: happened on beta 2
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17:03:03 daniel Ge0rG: I don't recall when I fixed that
17:03:40 Ge0rG daniel: me neither 😀
17:04:45 daniel OK let me rephrase this. I know when I fixed it. But I didn't know when I made the beta2
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17:08:50 Ge0rG daniel: alright, thanks. I'll suggest the user to update.
17:11:02 Zash Is there a XEP template in the xeps repo?
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17:14:46 daniel Ge0rG: yeah I would have preferred if fdroid didn't make the beta version stable
17:14:56 daniel And then stay on that version for weeks
17:15:13 daniel You get what you pay for
17:19:08 Ge0rG I guess that's fair. I've got my own share of free riders
17:22:18 Kev Zash: There is.
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17:24:08 daniel Ge0rG, fwiw (neat Conversations trick #143) i also check if the domain matches the known discovered muc server
17:24:17 daniel that only works on the 'home' muc server
17:24:34 daniel but for regular users thats 88% of the cases
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17:26:02 Ge0rG daniel: you could check against all bookmarks and MUC domains
17:26:20 daniel yes. but i'm afraid of false positives
17:26:28 daniel who knows what people put in their bookmarks
17:26:28 Ge0rG Yaxim even comes with a static server list
17:26:50 Ge0rG daniel: right, the implications will be very interesting
17:27:43 Zash What about the neat trick where you can have user@host and room@host? :)
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17:29:17 Ge0rG Zash: it's a nice way to make everyone do more round trips
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18:13:43 Zash Waaaaaaaaaait a minute
18:14:11 Zash > stamp | The time when the XML stanza was originally sent
18:14:15 Zash in xep-0203
18:14:38 Zash Shouldn't that be "received by whoever caused the delay"?
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18:17:00 Zash The speed of light, electrons and CPU cycles aren't infinite, so only the sender knows exacly when it was originally sent.
18:17:06 Zash Modulo time sync issues.
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18:25:41 Ge0rG Modulo the philosophical meaning of "to send"
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