XSF Discussion - 2018-05-10

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07:46:16 daniel pep.: xmpp:gpn18@conference.conversations.im?join
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07:50:11 daniel Maybe Link Mauve is interested as well? Are you going to gpn?
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09:55:24 Link Mauve daniel, I was planning to, but ended up not planning anything. :x
09:55:58 pep. (surprinsingly enough)
09:58:28 jonasw ELOGIC
09:59:37 Ge0rG Man (in club): "Hey DJ, play Love to Hate You" DJ: "No" Man: "I demand it under my Right to Erasure"
09:59:56 jonasw m
10:00:02 jonasw I suppose erasure is a band or something?
10:00:14 jonasw I’m not sure if I should be happy that I can infer that or whether that’s a sign that my mind is twisted.
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10:18:39 Dave Cridland fippo, You about? I've some XEP-0220 questions. (Mostly about errors).
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10:20:47 Dave Cridland Anyone else might know, too. I've an amusing... Bug? in Metre. Sequence is roughly the following:
10:21:10 Dave Cridland Metre -> Other : Outbound connection, bidi-enabled, sends dialback request.
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10:21:38 Dave Cridland Other -> Metre : Inbound connection, SASL-authenticated, bidi-enabled, sends dialback verify request.
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10:22:21 Dave Cridland However, Metre has already closed its outbound, seeing a usable and authenticated bidi-enabled inbound session. So it rejects the db:verify because it's referencing an id it knows to be closed.
10:22:25 Dave Cridland So, questions:
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10:22:57 Dave Cridland 1) Should a db:verify that's valid, but referencing a closed session, be returned "valid", "invalid", or "error"? And if "error", what error code?
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10:24:30 Dave Cridland In fact, that's kind of it. I may well tell Metre to leave any session that's even requested auth up when it sees a bidi possibility, even if it feels less optimal, but I'm curious about how to handle it nonetheless.
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10:27:36 fippo dwd: why does the fact that the connection associated with the id influence the validity of the dialback key?
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10:28:45 Dave Cridland fippo, Paranoia.
10:29:09 Dave Cridland fippo, Metre won't respond "valid" unless the outgoing stream exists and is in the right auth state (REQUESTED).
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10:32:35 Link Mauve Dave Cridland, btw, is Metre multi-threaded, at least for TLS handshakes?
10:33:04 Link Mauve Now that my personal server got two cores, I was thinking about using something in front of Prosody for that.
10:33:09 fippo hrm. in that case you might need to keep the connection around for a bit longer. or hope that people like me stop using old certificates :-)
10:33:11 Dave Cridland Link Mauve, Nope, not yet.
10:33:14 Link Mauve Ok.
10:34:01 Dave Cridland Link Mauve, Of course, it'd offload the TLS from Prosody, an you can run Prosody as a component which'd possibly work neater.
10:34:27 Ge0rG Link Mauve: how much CPU time are you currently spending on TLS handshakes?
10:34:33 Dave Cridland Mind you, you can also run Prosody as a component host for another Prosody acting as the user, so...
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10:35:39 Link Mauve Ge0rG, enough that s2s doesn't reliably establish before its timeout on server restart.
10:36:09 Link Mauve It is a real toaster!
10:36:55 Dave Cridland Link Mauve, I do have a bug there - although Metre uses libunbound in async mode, it seems to have a limit in the number of queries it allows in-flight (or maybe it's a sync interface hidden in the other thread).
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10:37:48 Link Mauve Hmm...
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10:38:45 Ge0rG Link Mauve: send pictures!
10:38:51 Dave Cridland Link Mauve, I'll get around to fixing that one though.
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10:40:32 Link Mauve Ge0rG, I'm not at home right now, maybe later!
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10:45:03 pep. Link Mauve: prosody might not like it bit handling TLS anymore? What's the thing again in sasl that needs stuff from the TLS session
10:45:12 pep. Not* handling
10:51:13 Link Mauve pep., SCRAM-SHA-*-PLUS, but if you can transmit that it's fine.
10:52:40 Zash Metre doesn't do c2s tho
10:52:47 Zash Or does it?
10:53:06 Link Mauve In this case Prosody would be the one doing it.
10:53:15 Link Mauve Metre would only establish the connection.
10:53:18 Link Mauve AFAIK.
10:54:31 Dave Cridland Metre won't even listen to C2S ports.
10:55:27 Dave Cridland Metre just does S2S and '114. (Well, and '368 and '361)
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10:58:12 Link Mauve Oh.
10:58:44 Link Mauve So yeah pep., your question doesn't make sense, Prosody would still listen there.
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10:59:29 pep. Ok
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12:56:25 Dave Cridland vanitasvitae, "a function that teenagers find neat" - ah, the youth of today, eh?
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13:03:24 Steve Kille Any news on fixing Travis?
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13:06:27 remko vanitasvitae: I actually use signal only because it has this feature. Thanks for the compliment!
13:07:00 vanitasvitae remko, you're welcome ;)
13:08:48 remko vanitasvitae: I find it useful to e.g. send passwords to someone. I know they won't delete it themselves, so i do some extra security management for them :)
13:09:35 vanitasvitae I'd not really call that security management but I get the point
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13:13:36 Kev It is if you trust them to be incompetent rather than malicious.
13:13:54 Kev e.g. relatives
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13:15:15 remko exactly
13:15:27 remko although worded differently when in presence of
13:15:58 Kev If you say so :)
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13:20:59 ralphm Sometimes, honesty is best
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13:22:48 remko as usual, whenever I step in to a thread on the list, it derails quickly.
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13:24:18 Kev Moth to a flame.
13:25:11 remko yeah, i'm still going with the assumption that i'm the moth, so it's not really my fault.
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15:27:58 jonasw Steve Kille, hey, your XEP-0369 update makes non-editorial changes. I would like to keep the version numbers semantic, so would it be okay if I change the number of that release to 0.10.0 instead of 0.9.7?
15:28:17 jonasw (The idea is that changes to z in x.y.z should only be of editorial nature, to make it easier to guage the impact of an update)
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15:43:38 Steve Kille jonasw: that is fine. I was not sure. I had the sense that small technical changes should not bump the middle number, but happy to follow best practice
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15:44:20 Steve Kille Although there was quite a bit of text change, there was nothing radical changed
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15:49:21 jonasw Steve Kille, cool, will do then
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15:51:45 Kev Smallest number is editorial changes only. Largest number is Advancement. Anything else is middle number.
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16:25:18 Kev Is XEP-0404 still available? I've got a non-April 1st use for it that I want.
16:25:34 jonasw Kev, yes
16:25:43 Kev jonasw: Could you 'reserve' that one for me please?
16:25:57 jonasw Kev, yeah
16:26:03 Kev I'll explain in a bit, just on a call at the moment and thought of it.
16:26:07 jonasw no worries
16:26:15 jonasw next one is going to be 403 anyways
16:26:23 jonasw and since there’s no other protoxep in the queue...
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20:31:00 Neustradamus There is a problem of certificate for jabber.org, we must create a ticket?
20:32:34 Neustradamus https://github.com/stpeter/jabberdotorg/issues/2
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